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Kevin Ryan @
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Mon, 09 Jul 2001 02:22:37 -0000
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Re: [idm] Re: the stockhausen effect
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<<Beware- when most people use the name 'Stockhausen' to describe another artist, they usually have never heard any of his music. His name has become such an anachronism that it's liberally used all over the place to describe almost any type of music that has discord and random noise ('Cage' is another name that gets bandied about like this).>> Also beware- If accessibility means anything to you at all, you'll hate all that crap. If you're one of the elite few who actually enjoy listening to random electronic noises with no kind of continuity--as in most musique concrete--then congratulations, and more power to you. I'm not in that group, and most of us aren't. I've blown a lot of dough on Cage, Stockhausen, Varese, and similar folks and I can't get through five minutes of any of those pieces. I love IDM. I love ambient. I love classical (up through c. Impressionism anyway). But avant garde art music just seems to suck all the life and love out of music. Which perhaps is the whole point, but it's nothing you can't get listening to your air conditioner or your toilet or your microwave. I think it's much more difficult and respectable to write traditional, accessible music than it is to fuck around with some plugs and microphones for awhile. Aesthetically I see almost nothing in common between IDM and modern art music, but if IDM artists like Autechre claim Stockhausen as an influence, then I can't argue with that. Still the existence of beats alone in most IDM distances it worlds away from art music-- IDM is a child of beats, be they techno beats or hip hop beats or Krautrock-- and most of it (some of the purer glitch might be an exception) has practically nothing in common with those early electronic classical composers, except that both are electronic. I don't see the connection between Reich and minimal techno either, except maybe that both can be really repetitive at times, but that certainly doesn't show influence. I mean, lots of Indian (at least South Indian) and African musics employ percussive minimalism and polyrhythms, but it would be quite silly to claim they're anywhere near Steve Reich aesthetically. I think the same goes for Detroit techno. Similarity != influence. Appreciation != influence. I can appreciate Mozart and produce minimal techno, and I think it would be misleading to conclude Mozart has been an influence on my minimal techno. Except in the most platitudinous sense that everything influences everything else (within a sphere of the speed of light, of course); e.g. what I ate for breakfast is affecting what I'm typing now. Damn you, Golden Grahams, damn you! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org