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1996-05-07 19:13Alphabet Design (idm) Strange Cargo.Torch Song
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1996-05-09 23:19Lazlo Nibble (idm) Strange Cargo.Torch Song
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1996-05-07 19:13Alphabet DesignOh my. Oh my oh my oh my. I finally found/bought these two. Damn. William Orbit rules. Eve
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Oh my. Oh my oh my oh my. I finally found/bought these two. Damn. William Orbit rules. Even thoug a lot of the material is rehash from SCIII and Strange cargo and Torch Song both play off of one another, I still got the chills bumps off of them. A couple of things I was curious about... In the liner of Hinterland it is mentioned that it is part four of a four part series. Is this the W.O. SC I - III series? Or is it another series altogether? If it is indeed SC IV, then why didn't he release it as William Orbit? Also, why does all the music (outside bassomatic) sound the same (not that I mind)? What real difference do the people other than W.O. make in Torch Song? I can barely feel any difference, and actually, I can still hear W.O. SCIII being heavily alluded to throughout both of these cds, but especially in Torch Song, in which an exact DUPLICATE bassline can be heard...(Im sorry...i cant recall the titles, so i have to make these vague references) Maybe it is all supposed to be intertwined this way, But I wonder why the need for multiple identities if all the music is going to be related? In cases such as FSoL and Aphex Twin, at least the names they adopt have (somewhat) different musical attitudes/personas to go along with the name changes. (Again, I say SOMEWHAT)... I havent heard too much of the older torch song, but based on what I have heard, the only actually 'different' sound in relation to W.O.'s identities is bassomatic vs the others. Maybe I am incorrect, for I have only heard SC I-III and these two newer pieces plus the 'set the controls for the heart of the bass' bassomatic cd. So thats my frame-o-reference. Any comments/opinions appreciated Jasonosaj ____________________________________________________________________________ J a s o n A. H u t t o | a l p h a b e t @ w s n e t . c o m Owner - Sole Employee - Janitor | http :/ / www . wsnet . com / ~ alphabet Alphabet Publishing & Design | Home of : Brother Alphabet's Evergrowing 2167 Campbell Road - Suite B | List Of Bad Ads Montgomery, AL 3 6 1 1 1 | -> Check it out if you loathe your T.V.!
1996-05-08 00:01Zenon M. Feszczak>Damn. William Orbit rules. I was thinking that last night while listening to his Torch So
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quoted 1 line Damn. William Orbit rules.>Damn. William Orbit rules.
I was thinking that last night while listening to his Torch Song project. The man knows how to use the full palette of sounds. Some of the smoothest transitions and most lush combinations of sonic textures anywhere. All set to some bumpin' psychedelic rhythms. The moods are often quite subtle and multi-level, a factor often lacking in electronic music (in any music, for that matter, but especially in popular rave-o-matic techno by the numbers). I wonder that William O is not better known. Even among the ambient/idm cognoscenti, he's rarely mentioned. WHY? Answer me, damn it! He's a virtual Van Gogh of our times! Worship his shoes!
quoted 6 lines A couple of things I was curious about...> >A couple of things I was curious about... >In the liner of Hinterland it is mentioned that it is part four of a four >part series. Is this the W.O. SC I - III series? Or is it another >series altogether? >
Seems as if it's the third in the Strange Cargo series. Beautiful graphics on the cover, no? "What the HELL is that thing?"
quoted 2 lines If it is indeed SC IV, then why didn't he release it as William Orbit?>If it is indeed SC IV, then why didn't he release it as William Orbit? >
Too simple. Evidently, in the first 3, Strange Cargo was just the name of the records. In the latest, it's now the name of the artist / project, with "Hinterland" the name of the record. Reminds me of Peter Gabriel's first 3 records. Remember, they were all named "Peter Gabriel". Then - also on the 4th - he changed tactics, and subtitled the record "Security". Well, only on a sticker on the shrink-wrap, so once this was removed . . . Anyway, an interviewer asked PG what his logic was. He said he thought of these records as issues of a magazine. So what changed? Probably artistic innovation. That is, record label suits said, "The next record, name it something, and put a boring pop-pandering lucrative hook-filled annoying self-mocking ironic single on it called 'Big Time' . . . or else." So, PG did so, named it so, named it "So", told them to piss off, built his own studio in the English hills with a glass floor over a stream in the drum room, got his own record label going, found 500 amazingly talented international musicians, and changed the world. And he still paid his rent on time. Oh, and then there was Led Zeppelin. Zoso, Symbols, Runes, Stairway, whatever you want to call that record with the straw-bearing peasant. I believe the official title was "Straw-Bearing Peasant", but everyone got confused and thought the DJ said "Strawberry Pheasant" or "Strawberry Phields" or "Philly Phanatic". Yes, I know, it's not idm, but if I had a dollar for every idm/ambient/pop song that sampled "When the Levee Breaks", I'd be Bill Gates. Scary thought. (Delerium, Enigma, Beastie Boys, Banco de Gaia - go ahead, name some more, it's fun, I promise). You know, John Bonham set the drums up in the bottom of an old stairwell to get that massive sound for the track. Don't try this at home. Unless you are a drummer and live at the bottom of an old stairwell, in which case you already know this trick.
quoted 3 lines Also, why does all the music (outside bassomatic)>Also, why does all the music (outside bassomatic) >sound the same (not that I mind)? What real difference do the people >other than W.O. make in Torch Song?
It's a good point. I don't think the Torch Song name fits the new record, really. The old Torch Song was more of a pop/disco thing, dance-floor material without the atmosphere of this newer more meditative music.
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You know, I have little respect for Madonna, even the New Sensitive Childbearing Madonna, but she works with some talented people. Including someone who used that "When the Levee Breaks Sample" for one of her remixes. Remember which one? I can't, but I'm sleep-deprived, and what do you want for the price of an Internet link? See how it all ties together? But there's more - wait for it - William Orbit does a smokin' remix of Madonna's "Justify My Love" on the CD-Single. Trademark Billy O backwards drum rhythms. Sounds like that remix of Enigma's "Mea Culpa" (Orthodox mix? Falling Shades mix?). In fact, i would swear he did that "Mea Culpa" remix, but he's not credited. Even better, and more impossible to find, is that remix by William Orbit of "Radioactivity" by Kraftwerk. Only came out on big 12" stateside, and good luck finding that now. I would rob Ghandi for a copy of the CD, though. Even more weird, my favorite Anglo-Ukrainian band, The Ukrainians, who sound just like the Smiths in Russian except they sing in Ukrainian and they are actually half of the Wedding Present (remember all this, there will be a quiz) just released a new single named "Radioactivity" for the 10th anniversary of the Chornobyl disaster. Included on the single: remixes of the Kraftwerk cut - maybe the Billy O version? I'll wait and see. Even still more strange: I'm Ukrainian. The Twilight Zone Incarnate: The Ukrainians actually did Ukrainian versions of Smiths songs, including "The Queen is Dead" and "Meat is Murder" (which it is, just ask an Orbital). Weirder still: I did the web site for the Ukrainians. Stranger than fact or fiction, it has an address with samples and bio: http://www.tryzub.com/Ukrainians/ It's not over until the babushka sings: They will be touring North America in the summer. Finally, the (family) jewel for those who have waded throught the above virtual swamp of trivia without spontaneously induced hysteria or a sudden bout of nymphomania: The new record by Caroline Lavelle ("Spirit") sounds just like a William Orbit record because it is. He did just about all the music. But then Nigel Kennedy plays violin to Billy's techno grooves. Go figure. Sounds like a hack, works like a charm. Guerilla grooves. You can listen to samples of Billy O, Torch Song, Caroline Lavelle, Strange Cargo, and some random hi-tech studio accidents at the William Orbit site. But if you expect me to take the time to look up that url also, I'll fail my finals. So someone else cough it up! Don't trip over that record. At least not until you've heard it. Zenon M. Feszczak Remixologist
1996-05-07 21:56Alphabet Design> > Seems as if it's the third in the Strange Cargo series. > Beautiful graphics on the co
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quoted 5 lines Seems as if it's the third in the Strange Cargo series.> > Seems as if it's the third in the Strange Cargo series. > Beautiful graphics on the cover, no? > "What the HELL is that thing?" >
That is a 3d 'metal' (probably computer rendered) N Gram logo. I fail to understand its significance Nor do i get why it is the sole image on the cd cover Nor to i get why its underwater/overwater Hm Jasonosaj ____________________________________________________________________________ J a s o n A. H u t t o | a l p h a b e t @ w s n e t . c o m Owner - Sole Employee - Janitor | http :/ / www . wsnet . com / ~ alphabet Alphabet Publishing & Design | Home of : Brother Alphabet's Evergrowing 2167 Campbell Road - Suite B | List Of Bad Ads Montgomery, AL 3 6 1 1 1 | -> Check it out if you loathe your T.V.!
1996-05-09 23:19Lazlo Nibble> In the liner of Hinterland it is mentioned that it is part four of a > four part series.
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quoted 6 lines In the liner of Hinterland it is mentioned that it is part four of a> In the liner of Hinterland it is mentioned that it is part four of a > four part series. Is this the W.O. SC I - III series? Or is it another > series altogether? > > If [Hinterland] is indeed SC IV, then why didn't he release it as William > Orbit?
Hinterland is indeed SC4; W0 was talking about the next Strange Cargo album at one point and explicitly referred to it as Strange Cargo 5. I suspect that the "artist name"/title is a compromise between not wanting to scare away people who hadn't heard Strange Cargos 1-3 (as "Strange Cargo 4" might) and wanting people to know that this *was* a Strange Cargo album (which wouldn't be conveyed if it were called "William Orbit: Hinterland").
quoted 3 lines Also, why does all the music (outside bassomatic) sound the same (not> Also, why does all the music (outside bassomatic) sound the same (not > that I mind)? What real difference do the people other than W.O. make in > Torch Song?
Probably only William and company could say what contributions Laurie Mayer, et al. make to the N-Gram era Torch Song; their contributions were a little more self-evident on the poppier IRS-era Torch Song albums. Hinterland vs. Toward The Unknown Region aside, it's generally pretty easy to tell the various W0 projects apart (Torch Song vs. Strange Cargo vs. the "Orbit" album vs. Bassomatic vs. The Electric Chamber vs. his remixes and production work) but you can hear that trademark bass noise on just about anything he's ever touched! The Caroline Lavelle album is very obviously not a William Orbit album but it also just as obviously has his thumbprints all over the production.
quoted 2 lines But I wonder why the need for multiple identities if> But I wonder why the need for multiple identities if > all the music is going to be related?
All of the separate "bands" really are separate projects with different groups of people actively participating. Full W0 discography available, as always, from: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Discographies.html [page has search engine] ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/lazlo/discographies/ Email discogs@swcp.com (with command GET ORBIT) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: on now -- The Ohio Players: Observations In Time