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quoted 3 lines At 11:36 PM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote:

> At 11:36 PM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote: > >i think that the "feeling" is what drives most of the conversations, > >really. and it plays a big part into what's thought of as overall

"good"

quoted 10 lines and "notsogood". take, for example, the PBO 12" on skam. i doubt that

> >and "notsogood". take, for example, the PBO 12" on skam. i doubt that > >anyone on the list would honestly claim that there was a "lack of > >technicality" or whatnot on the 12"... but it didn't have much feeling. > > What do you mean by "feeling," though? Are you talking about emotion? > That's dangerously subjective ground. In regard to the PBO 12", I don't > think it's very happy or very sad sounding or what have you, but that > doesn't make it less worthwhile. I like it a lot, although I wouldn't > consider it to be mind-blowing or ground-breaking. It may not be very > emotional, but much of it has groove. For me, groove (for lack of a

better

quoted 5 lines word) is just as worthwhile as any other thing (emotional impact, for

> word) is just as worthwhile as any other thing (emotional impact, for > example) that can be had from music. > > Jeff >

Well I agree that the PBO 12" is definitely funkeh. I like it for that fact at the very least. And like I said, they definitely knew what they were doing whilst making it, which is why I mentioned the technical aspects. But like a few others have said, it just "feels" different from their prior output. Which, I mean, isn't necessarily a bad thing. I was going more for the fact that "feeling" (note the quotes) is something that the listener grabs from the music, and is different. From those that I've talked to and from myself, I've noticed that certain music appears to have more feeling in it. But you're right, it's incredibly subjective. Like for me, the Drexciya "Journey Home" EP on Warp seems to have a lot of feeling in it. It just expresses that to me. While "The Quest" 2xCd is obviously good, the majority of it just doesn't express the same "feeling". Maybe it's just me. I think that it can be extrapolated towards some of the issues that are dealt with on the list with commercial music and whatnot, too. It seems that when an artist makes something to make money and be seen in the public's eye, it has less "feeling" behind it, as compared to something that they make for the fact that they want to? Maybe not. But it comes across that way for me, almost all the time. </soapbox> -=aethersplat

On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:32:43 Jeff Barszcz wrote:

quoted 2 lines What do you mean by "feeling," though? Are you talking about emotion?

>What do you mean by "feeling," though? Are you talking about emotion? >That's dangerously subjective ground.

Dangerously?? :-) Care to explain exactly how? Michael (buzzword buzzword "emotivism" buzzword buzzword) Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

At 10:09 AM 6/4/99 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:32:43 Jeff Barszcz wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:32:43 Jeff Barszcz wrote: > >>What do you mean by "feeling," though? Are you talking about emotion? >>That's dangerously subjective ground. > >Dangerously?? :-) Care to explain exactly how?

Well, I guess I just meant that it's not a good idea to generalize or speculate about what emotions a song evokes or how emotional it is. Emotions are, of course, a subjective experience. What one person experiences when listening might not be what another experiences. Maybe "dangerously" wasn't a good word to use. I just meant that maybe it's not worth using emotion as way to evaluate music. In fact, the only way to know what a song has to offer is to listen for yourself. Writing about music is usually useless. Just my opinion. BTW, I don't mean to put down discussion on this list. I've gotten a lot out of it and enjoy finding out about stuff I haven't heard or hearing about upcoming releases, etc. I just don't get much out of people talking about what emotions a song evokes because I've found that I often react differently. As I said, that's just me. Jeff