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2002-04-10 09:05Sam Valenti IV RE: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge onCNN.c om]
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2002-04-10 09:05Sam Valenti IVI do think there is a strong connection to Dada and "IDM". The photomontage, a Dada medium
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I do think there is a strong connection to Dada and "IDM". The photomontage, a Dada medium in my opinion, is all about taking pieces of culture, some pop (K606) and some political (Ultra Red) and re-contextualizing them into something new that created another level of dialogue and meaning, if not multiple. Though there may not be a war which "IDM" hinges upon, but there is the same fascination for the bizarre, arguably more juvenile and adolescent, in this music. Dadaists wanted to screw with the European bourgeois notions of taste and class and I think certain "IDM" like the Tigerbeat camp intends to do the same to a mainstream, middle-class American pop culture system. And in regards to your statement about a lack of a Dada music, I think you can count the sound/tone poetry that Hugo Ball and co. performed at their Cabaret Voltaire happenings as such. The layering of nonsense words and sounds annoyed audiences the way that groups like Blechtum from Blechdom would do today if they had a larger, more conservative audience. We should be happy for camps like Tigerbeat6 and I think they will go down in the electronic music canon for their continued disdain for good taste and normalcy. People want to always label them and their peers as laptop "punks" but looking across different media, I think they are more Dada in their group mentality then anything else when compared historically. Sam Valenti IV Ghostly International
quoted 5 lines I don't think there's an equivalent to Dada in IDM. There never really>I don't think there's an equivalent to Dada in IDM. There never really >was such a thing as Dada music even while the Dadaist movement was active, >so it's difficult to draw comparisons. I think there are IDM related acts >like perhaps V/Vm who make allusions to Dada in their image, but musically >?
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2002-04-10 09:58AndreiOn Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Sam Valenti IV wrote: > And in regards to your statement about a lack
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Sam Valenti IV wrote:
quoted 3 lines And in regards to your statement about a lack of a Dada music, I think you> And in regards to your statement about a lack of a Dada music, I think you > can count the sound/tone poetry that Hugo Ball and co. performed at their > Cabaret Voltaire happenings as such.
That's sound poetry, not really music.
quoted 3 lines The layering of nonsense words and> The layering of nonsense words and > sounds annoyed audiences the way that groups like Blechtum from Blechdom > would do today if they had a larger, more conservative audience.
That statement doesn't make sense. They don't have a larger, more conservative audience, so...
quoted 3 lines We should be happy for camps like Tigerbeat6 and I think they will go down> We should be happy for camps like Tigerbeat6 and I think they will go down > in the electronic music canon for their continued disdain for good taste and > normalcy.
I'd like to know whose good taste exactly they're showing a continued disdain for and how they're doing this ? Oh yeah, by doing remixes of NWA and Missy Elliot or running around in a club in their underwear doing faux rapping. Right. How shocking ! And I love how people throw all the acts on Tigerbeat6 into the same bag. Are 606, Cex, Electric Company, Blechtum, Pimmon, Lesser, etc. all doing the same thing ?
quoted 3 lines People want to always label them and their peers as laptop> People want to always label them and their peers as laptop > "punks" but looking across different media, I think they are more Dada in > their group mentality then anything else when compared historically.
And what/who are you comparing them to ? Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org