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>>i kind of feel the same way, but i can't tell if its just that i'm
>>hyper sensitive to what new music is coming out. it seems hard to
>>imagine what direction that jungle will go from here without really
>>smashing up the limited forms its governed by....i could imagine
>>it...i just can't imagine it happening.
Jungle has more potential than many other genres, as I see it. For a few
years everyone jumped on a bit of a techstep industrial sweeps bandwaggon
and forgot about the ragga, but there was always some jazzy and funky stuff
being produced at the same time, ticking away. You can go in so many
directions with it, I see it as less formulaic a structure than most dance
music. The fact that plug and tobin doesn't fit too well into a
conventional dancefloor set may keep such treats from a wider audience but I
would hardly blame a DJ for this. There is always going to be some drum
and bass you listen to almost exclusively at home. The fact that such tunes
can work very well on a dancefloor as well is one of the reasons I love this
music, but finding a dj that deals in it may be tricky, I admit.
I think a renaissance is on the way. Producers are starting to make garage
on the side, and seeing it sell, giving them ideas. They are bringing fun
back to jungle, and some vocals, making it more accessible. That J Majik
vocal track tore up the dancefloors.
Look at the success of live drum and bass outfits, too; Kosheen are doing
great things. Life after breakbeat era, mmm. I think the scene has
realised it has been up it's own arse for quite some time and has to lighten
up, otherwise it will lose out all commercial success to garage. The raves
are still big, as they always have been, but to sell records (and more
importantly get some ladies into those darkened dancing dens) things need to
get a bit more accessible. This needn't mean watering down the rude. I
think the basslines can be fatter than ever and people will love it. It
just needs a bit of swing.
quoted 6 lines i think its more time for the limits of jungle to be broken down and
>>i think its more time for the limits of jungle to be broken down and
>>evolved....it already has but it should continue in many more ways....
>I've always believed that the main problem with jungle is that it's too
>self-limiting. You have guys like Grooverider and Goldie that want to
>run the scene and make sure that the only stuff that gets popular is
>what they like at the current moment.
I don't think that's true, and if it ever was, it is changing radically.
The scene as a whole has decided it wants a comeback and everyone is working
together to progress things. There will always be an elite of old school
superstar djs who might influence the tastes of bedroom djs. But there is
so much more being produced these days and djs are enthusiastic about new
artists, it is less cliquey. The support of international djs in the scene
is really opening doors, too.
quoted 1 line Jungle always has to move as one big unit from one big thing to the >next.
>Jungle always has to move as one big unit from one big thing to the >next.
Only because the scene shrunk. Many djs got hold of the same tunes, making
it appear a bit stagnant, but I think things are changing, so much more is
coming out these days. And there has always been a difference between a
full cycle set, a bukem set, a ed rush set and a micky finn set, all going
on at the same time, so I would argue that the scene has been able to stay
relatively diverse.
quoted 4 lines When Laurent Ho, Maurizio and Plastikman are all techno, why can't the
>When Laurent Ho, Maurizio and Plastikman are all techno, why can't the
>variations in jungle be allowed as "jungle?" Jungle DJs get ridiculed
>if they mix something like Squarepusher, Scud or Bukem with something
>like Konflict... It's just annoying.
I'm not sure they would get ridiculed, it simply might not work at a big fat
rave. One of the reasons I like drum and bass is the diversity of moods it
can put me in, all within the same apparent genre. It doens't always work
to mood shift in a dj set, so people tend to avoid it. However, if someone
can mix bad co. into big bud without killing the groove a bit then more
power to them.
Just some badly typed thoughts.
Tata,
Tom.
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