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quoted 7 lines what i'm asking is: is a

> >what i'm asking is: is a > >crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > >hip-hop needs to do and not do? > > Why involve race at all? It's not whites or blacks that can decide where > hip hop goes, it's the real heads. Regardless of colour, it's the rabid > hiphop fanatics that will take it to new places.

I'll say it again: when I hear as many black MCs/producers/hip-hop fans as there are white MCs/producers/hip-hop fans saying this, then I'll consider it. You can't ignore race's place in hip-hop. Unless, I guess, you're some white guy who believes that any time race is brought up, it needs to be dismissed as quickly as possible because only racists ever talk about race, right? Christ, even Oprah knows better than that. And this is the last I'm going to say on the matter. The subject of race and power is not something you can argue meaningfully about when shooting from the hip with emails to the internet. Besides, this is like the 3rd or 4th email I've written in a row that doesn't mention anything about how great I am. Unacceptable. Oh wait, hold on.

quoted 2 lines Anyone in commercial hiphop has long since abandoned the ability to take

> Anyone in commercial hiphop has long since abandoned the ability to take > hiphop anywhere. The last interesting thing done by a major artist was

ODB. I seriously hope you're not dissing Jay-Z. Dissing Jay-Z is like dissing Cex. It's just something you don't do. Ah. Much better. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

okay, but wait a minute. and, pardon me, cause i haven't heard enough of their shit to *REALLY* have an opinion (i have only heard 2 songs from buck 65, that communication project track on "rapid transit" and some atmosphere stuff)... but, just because sole fucked up doesn't mean that their whole crew is wack... are there other reasons? andrew- do you have any of those rants on file? :) z

quoted 48 lines From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>

>From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> >To: multsanta <multsanta@home.net> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] re: clouddead >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:10:09 -0600 (CST) > >anybody who needs further interpretation need only seek out >company flow's "linda tripp" mp3. > >smirk >josh >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > >On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, multsanta wrote: > > > At 11:14 AM 1/29/01 +0000, you wrote: > > >I've posted this here before, but for all that don't know, Anticon is >the > > >best thing out there in hiphop, and of most music for that matter. > > > > bullshit. > > > > i wrote like three paragraphs of angry rants explaining exactly why this >is > > bullshit, but i think i'll just go the succinct route and leave it at >that. > > > > > > np: saul williams - 'fearless' > > > > andrew > > www.gjtch.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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actually i got nothing against anticon ... i have a couple of their albums and i think they're okay ... i fully agree with their sentiment that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their efforts to do so. dose one's solo joint is quite remarkable, but aside from that i think they are pretty overrated. as far as pushing boundaries of hip-hop, i seriously think company flow pushes alot harder than anticon. and the linda tripp track is just so goddamn RUTHLESS. i definitely agree that to call them "the best thing going in hip-hop" is reaching, but it is (as we have to reiterate so often on this list) a subjective matter. i want to be down. josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, zachary mastoon wrote:

quoted 65 lines okay, but wait a minute.

> okay, but wait a minute. > > and, pardon me, cause i haven't heard enough of their shit to *REALLY* have > an opinion (i have only heard 2 songs from buck 65, that communication > project track on "rapid transit" and some atmosphere stuff)... but, just > because sole fucked up doesn't mean that their whole crew is wack... > > are there other reasons? andrew- do you have any of those rants on file? :) > > z > > > >From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > >To: multsanta <multsanta@home.net> > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] re: clouddead > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:10:09 -0600 (CST) > > > >anybody who needs further interpretation need only seek out > >company flow's "linda tripp" mp3. > > > >smirk > >josh > >-- > >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > > > >On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, multsanta wrote: > > > > > At 11:14 AM 1/29/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > >I've posted this here before, but for all that don't know, Anticon is > >the > > > >best thing out there in hiphop, and of most music for that matter. > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > i wrote like three paragraphs of angry rants explaining exactly why this > >is > > > bullshit, but i think i'll just go the succinct route and leave it at > >that. > > > > > > > > > np: saul williams - 'fearless' > > > > > > andrew > > > www.gjtch.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >

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quoted 3 lines i fully agree with their sentiment

> i fully agree with their sentiment > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their > efforts to do so

now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what hip-hop needs to do and not do? "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in the internet. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

since i sparked this discussion with my comments on clouddead, i just want to clear up any assumptions: the songs i have heard are, IMO, sick as fuck. they are the first bits of music in a LONG time that have made me go "WOW -- WHAT IS THIS? WHY IS THIS? WHERE IS THIS? WHO IS THIS?". i in no way meant to start an argument over what hip hop is and isnt or what it should be. and i agree with riyan here, in fact. but i will also say that this is some of the best *music* i have heard in a long time -- hip hop, idm, folk or whatever... thats all :) chris. riders of the plastic groove http://www.kuci.org/rotpg/ music for lunchpails kuci 88.9fm, irvine, ca "Groupies are always encouraged." On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Rjyan Kidwell wrote:

quoted 35 lines i fully agree with their sentiment

> > i fully agree with their sentiment > > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their > > efforts to do so > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in > the internet. > > > > -rk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great black hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black friends with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip-hop is such a global thing now I think anyone who's generally into the culture is qualified to to make comments on "what hip-hop needs" regardless of race. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for hip-hop. I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people at least have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop to have arrived at Anticon. I mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure that has white kids thinking Insane Clown Posse are the best hip-hop group ever. And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop record of the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but that would just be seen as shameless plugging on my part...ooops) Jeff on 1/29/01 5:41 PM, Rjyan Kidwell at cex@tigerbeat6.com wrote:

quoted 34 lines i fully agree with their sentiment

>> i fully agree with their sentiment >> that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their >> efforts to do so > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in > the internet. > > > > -rk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i think any objections to anticon's efforts should not be attributed to their skin color, but to their social class. The objections i hear mostly deal with the fact that they are a bunch of over-internetted rich kids, who said "mummy, i want to play at hip-hop, buy me a technics 1200 and a MPC2000" and then decided that they would "revolutionize" it by making a web-site and a bunch of semi-experimental tracks and getting alot of press. Now i don't know how much of this is true, I don't know much of anything about Anticon aside from the fact that they got started putting out tracks on the internet, which screams "rich kid" to me ... the race issue is at least partially relevant, as there are more rich white kids than rich black kids ... at any rate, i think Outkast is doing a better job of revolutionizing hip-hop than anticon (for better or worse) and Andre is a much better dresser than any of those white kids :) josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Rjyan Kidwell wrote:

quoted 35 lines i fully agree with their sentiment

> > i fully agree with their sentiment > > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their > > efforts to do so > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in > the internet. > > > > -rk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post and refute it but i just remembered that Mos Def was a rich kid -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 70 lines i think any objections to anticon's efforts should not be attributed to

> i think any objections to anticon's efforts should not be attributed to > their skin color, but to their social class. > > The objections i hear mostly deal with the fact that they are a bunch of > over-internetted rich kids, who said "mummy, i want to play at hip-hop, > buy me a technics 1200 and a MPC2000" and then decided that they would > "revolutionize" it by making a web-site and a bunch of semi-experimental > tracks and getting alot of press. > > Now i don't know how much of this is true, I don't know much of anything > about Anticon aside from the fact that they got started putting out tracks > on the internet, which screams "rich kid" to me ... the race issue is at > least partially relevant, as there are more rich white kids than rich > black kids ... > > at any rate, i think Outkast is doing a better job of revolutionizing > hip-hop than anticon (for better or worse) and Andre is a much better > dresser than any of those white kids :) > > josh > > -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Rjyan Kidwell wrote: > > > > i fully agree with their sentiment > > > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their > > > efforts to do so > > > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make > > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a > > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're > > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered > > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop > > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is > > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than > > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people > > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced > > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in > > the internet. > > > > > > > > -rk > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great

> It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great

black

quoted 1 line hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black

> hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black

friends

quoted 3 lines with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip-hop

> with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip-hop > is such a global thing now I think anyone who's generally into the culture > is qualified to to make comments on "what hip-hop needs" regardless of

race.

quoted 2 lines Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for

> Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for > hip-hop.

I agree that hip-hop is a huge, global thing, but I don't think that translates to "race is now irrelevant." Are you in the UK, Jeff? Maybe we see things differently through our respective culturally-colored lenses. I'm definitely not saying that any black person will know hip-hop better than any white person. But your words basically strike me as a "level-playing-field" type of argument that imply that race is a non-issue in hip-hop. I'll believe that when I hear as many black MCs as white MCs saying that. White people can be great MCs and hip-hop producers and participate in the culture -- hell, one of the best hip-hop record stores in Baltimore is run by a fifty-some year old white guy -- but to ignore the politics of race that are inherent in hip-hop music is to do a disservice to the art. Hip-hop is the creation of African-Americans and the social conditions surrounding it's creation and an integral part of it. Just like jazz, blues, rock & roll, hip-hop is a part of the African Diaspora, and to eliminate the importance of race in hip-hop is to see it as just some beats and rhyming words. To me, that's robbing the culture that has created it of their due.

quoted 2 lines I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people at

> I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people at > least have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop to have arrived at Anticon.

I

quoted 2 lines mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure that

> mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure that > has white kids thinking Insane Clown Posse are the best hip-hop group

ever. No, but because they've very effectively used the internet to market and publicize themselves, Anticon has reached a lot of white kids who don't have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop. I think that's one of the many reasons they've been so successful. I have no problem with it -- it's good business, and I'm all about working to appeal to a broader and broader fanbase. But that some of their fans don't disturb me with their grandiose perceptions of Anticon's "advanced" hip-hop.

quoted 1 line And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop record

> And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop record

of

quoted 2 lines the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but that

> the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but that > would just be seen as shameless plugging on my part...ooops)

I don't know if I'd say it's "the best" -- I think some of his rhymes and delivery get a bit grating after a while -- but Madlib's production skills are no doubt top-notch. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The great thing though is for several years you haven't had to be rich to put tracks on the internet. Even most poor kids i know at least have computer access. I'm sure the percentage of well of folks is higher for sure, but its not 100% exclusive. Having gear to make tracks is harder but if you've got the knowhow to work with freeware/warez shit you can get by with some minimal stuff. - cutups

quoted 21 lines Now i don't know how much of this is true, I don't know much of anything

> Now i don't know how much of this is true, I don't know much of anything > about Anticon aside from the fact that they got started putting out tracks > on the internet, which screams "rich kid" to me ... the race issue is at > least partially relevant, as there are more rich white kids than rich > black kids ... > > at any rate, i think Outkast is doing a better job of revolutionizing > hip-hop than anticon (for better or worse) and Andre is a much better > dresser than any of those white kids :) > > josh > > -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Rjyan Kidwell wrote: > > > > i fully agree with their sentiment > > > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate

their

quoted 4 lines efforts to do so

> > > efforts to do so > > > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't

make

quoted 1 line hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is

> > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is

a

quoted 3 lines crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what

> > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and

we're

quoted 3 lines going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya."

> > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've

encountered

quoted 1 line quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to

> > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to

hip-hop

quoted 1 line and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon

> > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon

is

quoted 1 line the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better

> > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better

than

quoted 1 line Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some

> > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some

people

quoted 2 lines think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of

> > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to

advanced

quoted 4 lines hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny."

> > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head

in

quoted 19 lines the internet.

> > the internet. > > > > > > > > -rk > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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"Rjyan Kidwell" <cex@tigerbeat6.com>:

quoted 2 lines "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we

>"OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're >going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya."

Anyone in commercial hiphop has long since abandoned the ability to take hiphop anywhere. The last interesting thing done by a major artist was ODB.

quoted 3 lines what i'm asking is: is a

>what i'm asking is: is a >crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what >hip-hop needs to do and not do?

Why involve race at all? It's not whites or blacks that can decide where hip hop goes, it's the real heads. Regardless of colour, it's the rabid hiphop fanatics that will take it to new places.

quoted 6 lines I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've

>I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've >encountered >quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to >hip-hop >and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is >the "best thing in hip-hop".

I'm a rabid Anticon fan, but I'm by no means similar to your description. I have about 6 crates packed full of just hiphop, not exactly a casual collection. Everyone I've ever met that was equally enthusiastic about Anticon is just as big of a hip hop fan as me, and I think that counts for something. CPI - experimental noise at http://www.mp3.com/cpi/ DXM - abstract ambient at http://www.mp3s.com/dxm1/ ......and of course... http://www.mp3.com/AwkwardBehaviour "Wouldn't you say, Pooh?" / "Say what?" asked Pooh, opening his eyes. / "Music and Living-" / "The same thing," said Pooh. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>:

quoted 2 lines this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post

>this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post >and refute it but i just remembered that Mos Def was a rich kid

I just don't think it matters. Hiphop is primarily about music. The only time that "class" and "background" really matters is gangsta rap, where the prescedence is that they were hardcore from 'hood and such. Rappers that don't hide behind the pretense of a false image should not be judged by it! And for that matter, the Anticon crew make no secret about their background, they come true and don't hide anything about their life. you can tell from their lyrics that Sole and Buck65 are just like me. They grew up middle class, alienated, hiding in their basements for longer than is healthy. CPI - experimental noise at http://www.mp3.com/cpi/ DXM - abstract ambient at http://www.mp3s.com/dxm1/ ......and of course... http://www.mp3.com/AwkwardBehaviour "Wouldn't you say, Pooh?" / "Say what?" asked Pooh, opening his eyes. / "Music and Living-" / "The same thing," said Pooh. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ehh.. i don't know man, i'm afraid i'm gonna have to side with the "terrible musician" here. i definitely respect where you're coming from, but one strike i will put on you is that you're english (i can only assume). and that means you're a very long swim away from the essence. true, hip-hop is a very global thing now, but it's also based on a very specific culture. and obviously not everyone can live that culture. so as far as i'm concerned, not every indie-rock white kid can put a valid stamp on where hip-hop needs to be. i kinda feel idiotic tellin' ninja tune "how it is," but i do disagree with you here. btw, what's up with ninja tune and emusic?

quoted 22 lines It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great

>It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great > >black >hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black > >friends >with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip->hop >is such a global thing now I think anyone who's generally into the >culture >is qualified to to make comments on "what hip-hop needs" regardless of > >race. >Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for >hip-hop. I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people >at >least have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop to have arrived at >Anticon. >I >mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure >that >has white kids thinking Insane Clown Posse are the best hip-hop group > >ever. > >And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop >record >of >the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but >that >would just be seen as shameless plugging on my part...ooops) > >Jeff

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does anyone has any tips regarding "electronicahiphop", "DSPhiphop" or whatever you´d like to call it? I mean like bola´s latest single, antipop consortium (or komp...) ____________________________ andréas tilliander www.efpho.cjb.net -----Original Message----- From: Colin Pascal [mailto:cpi23@hotmail.com] Sent: den 30 januari 2001 04:33 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] anticon and hip-hop Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>:

quoted 2 lines this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post

>this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post >and refute it but i just remembered that Mos Def was a rich kid

I just don't think it matters. Hiphop is primarily about music. The only time that "class" and "background" really matters is gangsta rap, where the prescedence is that they were hardcore from 'hood and such. Rappers that don't hide behind the pretense of a false image should not be judged by it! And for that matter, the Anticon crew make no secret about their background, they come true and don't hide anything about their life. you can tell from their lyrics that Sole and Buck65 are just like me. They grew up middle class, alienated, hiding in their basements for longer than is healthy. CPI - experimental noise at http://www.mp3.com/cpi/ DXM - abstract ambient at http://www.mp3s.com/dxm1/ ......and of course... http://www.mp3.com/AwkwardBehaviour "Wouldn't you say, Pooh?" / "Say what?" asked Pooh, opening his eyes. / "Music and Living-" / "The same thing," said Pooh. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org