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2000-11-01 18:25[idm] Futurism
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2000-11-02 01:29Michael Upton [idm] RE: Futurism
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2000-11-02 22:53Kevin M. Ryan Re: [idm] Futurism
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2000-11-03 03:27Jacob Arnold [idm] futurism
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2000-11-01 18:25Sissoko13@aol.comCan any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ? ---------------
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2000-11-01 19:44Matt AndersonI think it's because at one point electronic music was something brave and new. It was pro
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I think it's because at one point electronic music was something brave and new. It was probably seen as the thing that would revolutonize or end all previous forms of music. Those that embraced it were in fact 'embracing the future'. They, like the futurist beliefs, abandoned the past to invest in the future and in new ways of doing something... There is probably a more solid connection (see the art of noises manifesto. details below), but I would have to guess it's just in the similarity of ideals. I read the art of noises manifesto online. http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/. there are a lot of good manifesto's there... -Matt- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-01 19:30zachary mastoonFuturism was a movement in Italy in the beginning of the 20th Century which, as far as mus
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Futurism was a movement in Italy in the beginning of the 20th Century which, as far as music was concerned, believed any and all sounds should be used in the compositional process. In his "The Art of Noises" (Futurist Manifesto), Luigi Russolo stated that [the Futurists] had grown tired of the normal instrumentation of pieces by Wagner, etc. (although he did say that Wagner/Stravinsky's work was interesting tonally), and yearned for different sources. He named machines, water, trains, etc. as important materials of music and urged composers to use them to their benefit. As similar ideas surfaced with people like John Cage, Varese, etc. and, as the technology became available for both musique concrete (Schaeffer, Henri, Ferrari, Reich) and early electronic music (Stockhausen and the like), the Futurists ideas became more easily translated into realized compositions. BTW, John Cage prophecized (however the fuck that's spelled!) that the turntable would be an incredible musical instrument... If he could only hear qbert/koala/mmmike/etc now! z
quoted 11 lines From: Sissoko13@aol.com>From: Sissoko13@aol.com >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] Futurism >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:25:47 EST > >Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-01 20:37andrij kopytkoAt 01:30 PM 11/1/00 -0600, you wrote: >BTW, John Cage prophecized (however the fuck that's
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At 01:30 PM 11/1/00 -0600, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines BTW, John Cage prophecized (however the fuck that's spelled!) that the>BTW, John Cage prophecized (however the fuck that's spelled!) that the >turntable would be an incredible musical instrument... If he could only >hear qbert/koala/mmmike/etc now!
Odd. It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage became a popular composer. Schaeffer and Henri used turntables in most of their early compositions. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-01 22:10zachary mastoonI think that was from an essay in the 30's. i could be wrong. you are definitely right, th
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I think that was from an essay in the 30's. i could be wrong. you are definitely right, though! :)
quoted 22 lines From: andrij kopytko <ogre@netaxs.com>>From: andrij kopytko <ogre@netaxs.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Futurism >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:37:31 -0500 > >At 01:30 PM 11/1/00 -0600, you wrote: >>BTW, John Cage prophecized (however the fuck that's spelled!) that the >>turntable would be an incredible musical instrument... If he could only >>hear qbert/koala/mmmike/etc now! > >Odd. It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage >became a popular composer. Schaeffer and Henri used turntables in most of >their early compositions. > >-- >andrij. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-02 01:29Michael Upton>===== Original Message From Sissoko13@aol.com ===== >Can any one elaborate on futurism an
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quoted 1 line Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ?>Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ?
Further to what has been said, Futurism (the movement in the 20s) was very focused on masculinity, hardness and power, and has been repeatedly accused of being both mysogynistic and fascistic. The only manifesto I read from a female artist defending the cause explained how it was attacking the feminine in all things, and that "feminine men" were as bad as "feminine women". Yeesh. ("Feminine" being defined by being emotional, irrational, therefore weak-willed, etc) IME, lots of people use "futurist" and "futuristic" equivelantly to describe music, meaning something that sounds like it's from the future. Promoters at least seem to have a habit of grabbing distinct words like these and mashing them together to just connote something else again. Along those lines, in my guise as Far-Too-Precious-For-My-Own-Good Man, I was ever-so-vaguely offended when the promoter of a gig I played billed me as playing "futurist beats". :-) Michael -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s (latest upload Nov2000) http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 02:58andrij kopytkoAt 08:29 PM 11/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >Further to what has been said, Futurism (the moveme
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At 08:29 PM 11/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines Further to what has been said, Futurism (the movement in the 20s) was very>Further to what has been said, Futurism (the movement in the 20s) was very >focused on masculinity, hardness and power, and has been repeatedly >accused of >being both mysogynistic and fascistic.
I'm not sure if that can be used as a blanket generalization, though. Things like the "Futurist Cookbook" came off like a crossing of masculinity with femininity.. Similar to Duchamp's bachelor machine. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 06:03ff gwell i could tell you that futurism evolved in the early 20th century around the same time
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well i could tell you that futurism evolved in the early 20th century around the same time as cubism. It concentrated on movement and progress. THere was an obsession w/ technology and the machine, and how we should completely take advantage of it's benefits. The old world order should be stopped to make way for the new, fast paced environment. Given this, i guess futurists would be all for technological advancement. And because of the fact that technology and electronic music go hand in hand, there is definitely a relation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 15:28Josh DavisonThe darker side of Futurism was the movement's observation of war as a great technological
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The darker side of Futurism was the movement's observation of war as a great technological catalyst, and the inexorable link between the Italian Futurists and the Italian Fascists. Indeed, war and the preparation for war (and as Ronald Reagan would tell you, the prevention of war) are responsible for so many of the modern conveniences we enjoy today. Like the network infrastructure that allows delivery of this e-mail list for instance. I certainly don't condone Fascism and really I cannot understand how technological advancement, which requires a certain amount of free thinking and autocratic operation to flourish, could be considered an ally of Fascism. Aside from these blemishes, I can find much resonation between Futurism and my own feelings about art and technology, which are probably shared with a significant portion of the people on this list. josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, ff g wrote:
quoted 23 lines well i could tell you that futurism evolved in the> well i could tell you that futurism evolved in the > early 20th century around the same time as cubism. It > concentrated on movement and progress. THere was an > obsession w/ technology and the machine, and how we > should completely take advantage of it's benefits. The > old world order should be stopped to make way for the > new, fast paced environment. > Given this, i guess futurists would be all for > technological advancement. And because of the fact > that technology and electronic music go hand in hand, > there is definitely a relation. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-11-02 17:25andrij kopytkoOn Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Josh Davison wrote: > I certainly don't condone Fascism and really I c
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quoted 4 lines I certainly don't condone Fascism and really I cannot understand how> I certainly don't condone Fascism and really I cannot understand how > technological advancement, which requires a certain amount of free > thinking and autocratic operation to flourish, could be considered an ally > of Fascism.
Free thinking, however, cannot act on its own. It requires constraint and Fascism is definitely an extreme constraint. I mean, look at the technical advances that Nazi Germany made during World War II.. the development of ballistic missiles, atomic weaponry, jet engines, etc. Their scientists and engineers provided the world with some of the most important technological advances during the century. Which opens a whole other can of worms about the US government's dealing with these post-fascist scientists.. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 18:18Josh Davisonyes, rethinking this, i recognize my own productivity is greatly enhanced when i am under
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yes, rethinking this, i recognize my own productivity is greatly enhanced when i am under strict specifications and deadlines, combined with the promise of distasteful consequences for failure. -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, andrij kopytko wrote:
quoted 26 lines On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Josh Davison wrote:> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Josh Davison wrote: > > > I certainly don't condone Fascism and really I cannot understand how > > technological advancement, which requires a certain amount of free > > thinking and autocratic operation to flourish, could be considered an ally > > of Fascism. > > Free thinking, however, cannot act on its own. It requires constraint and > Fascism is definitely an extreme constraint. I mean, look at the technical > advances that Nazi Germany made during World War II.. the development of > ballistic missiles, atomic weaponry, jet engines, etc. Their scientists > and engineers provided the world with some of the most important > technological advances during the century. > > Which opens a whole other can of worms about the US government's dealing > with these post-fascist scientists.. > > -- > andrij. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-11-02 14:19p h o n k> Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ? too long to e
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quoted 1 line Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ?> Can any one elaborate on futurism and how it relates to electornic music ?
too long to explain: http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/ look for luigi russolo in particular.. interesting: the approach; the strange electromechanical instruments; not to mention the fact that without futurism designersrepublic would be in the dark :) p h o n k oo /|\ support / \ mutation ~~~~~~~ --------------------------------- http://www.mp3.com/megaphonk bleeps.clicks.pop http://www.mp3.com/margaritafilterkings bbeats.piano.slapbass --------------------------------- http://www.phonk.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 22:53Kevin M. RyanI think Juan Atkins was obsessed with futurism (in the loosest sense of the word, not Ital
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I think Juan Atkins was obsessed with futurism (in the loosest sense of the word, not Italian Futurism). He and that guy he collaborated with before Atkins became Cybotron--they were nuts about science fiction and futury stuff. So futurism in the kind of sci-fi sense was an influence on early Detroit techno. I heard the word "techno" itself (as applied to music) came from Alvin Toffler's _Future Shock_ book. And much of the best electronic music that came out of the 50s was produced for sci fi movies (long live thereminism). <<It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage became a popular composer. Schaeffer and Henri used turntables in most of their early compositions.>> If I remember correctly, both you guys are right. I read a Cage biography a couple years ago and I remember him talking about how he was messing around with recording turntablism in his 20s for some Californian? radio station (I guess I don't remember the details)... but that would place it in the 30s... Of course Cage wasn't a "popular composer" until sometime between the late 1940s and the 1960s, depending on what that means. Those Frenchmen weren't in the game until the 50s, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, Cage was around for the DJ/hip hop revolution of the late 70s and 80s (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage died in 1992), so I'm sure he at least was aware of hip hop DJing, at least in its not-so-incredible 80s form. I wish I could remember stuff. "Glorify war, the only cleanser of the world." -Marinetti _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-30 23:47R. LimOn Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Kevin M. Ryan wrote: > And much of the best electronic music that came
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quoted 2 lines And much of the best electronic music that came> And much of the best electronic music that came > out of the 50s was produced for sci fi movies
I dunno, I think most of the best electronic music that came out of the 50s came out of publically funded institutions such as the WDR (see the Gottfried Michael Koenig 2CD, Henri Pousseur CD and WDR comp CD on BVhaast for a good intro). [someone else said]
quoted 3 lines <<It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage> <<It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage > became a popular composer. Schaeffer and Henri used turntables in most of > their early compositions.>>
Henry in fact did use turntables for his initial etudes, but that's only because magnetic tape (developed by the military during WWII) wasn't widely available for use yet.
quoted 4 lines (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage > died in 1992), so I'm sure he at least was aware > of hip hop DJing, at least in its not-so-incredible > 80s form. I wish I could remember stuff.
I'm pretty sure that Cage wouldn't have been particularly down with hip-hop. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-03 03:27Jacob ArnoldAn excerpt from F. T. Martinetti's "The Foundation and Manifesto of Futurism," 1908 (trans
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An excerpt from F. T. Martinetti's "The Foundation and Manifesto of Futurism," 1908 (translated by Joshua C. Taylor) 1. We intend to glorify the love of danger, the custom of energy, the strength of daring. 2. The essential elements of our poetry will be courage, audacity, and revolt. 3. Literature having up to now glorified thoughtful immobility, ecstasy, and slumber, we wish to exalt the aggressive movement, the feverish insomnia, running, the perilous leap, the cuff, and the blow. 4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched with a new form of beauty, the beauty of speed. A race-automobile adorned with great pipes like serpents with explosive breath . . . a race-automobile which seems to rush over exploding powder is more beautiful than the _Victory of Samothrace_. 5. We will sing the praises of man holding the flywheel of which the ideal steering-post traverses the earth impelled itself around the circuit of its own orbit. 6. The poet must spend himself with warmth, brilliancy, and prodigality to augment the fervor of the primordial elements. 7. There is no more beauty except in struggle. No masterpiece without the stamp of aggressiveness. Poetry should be a violent assault against unknown forces to summon them to lie down at the feet of man. 8. We are on the extreme promontory of ages! Why look back since we must break down the mysterious doors of Impossibility? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the Absolute for we have already created the omnipresent eternal speed. 9. We will glorify war--the only true hygiene of the world--militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of anarchist, the beautiful Ideas which kill, and the scorn of woman. 10. We will destroy museums, libraries, and fight against moralism, feminism, and all utilitarian cowardice. 11. We will sing the great masses agitated by work, pleasure, or revolt; we will sing the multicolored and polyphonic surf of revolutions in modern capitals; the nocturnal vibration of arsenals and docks beneath their glaring electric moons; greedy stations devouring smoking serpents; factories hanging from the clouds by the threads of their smoke; bridges like giant gymnasts stepping over sunny rivers sparkling like diabolical cutlery; adventurous steamers scenting the horizon; large-breasted locomotives bridled with long tubes, and the slippery flight of airplanes whose propellers have flaglike flutterings and applauses of enthusiastic crowds. Sorry for the long post. If I remember correctly, Futurist visual art tried to convey motion, often by imitating motion-study photography. Jacob -- http://www.gridface.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-01 03:53Chris Fahey> > It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage > > became a popular
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quoted 3 lines It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage> > It was already an incredible musical instrument by the time Cage > > became a popular composer. Schaeffer and Henri used > > turntables in most of their early compositions.
Kurt Weill used turntables to accompany live singers back in the 1930's. Anyone beat that? - Cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-01 16:20Kurt Hoffman> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage > died in 1992), so I'm sure he at le
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quoted 4 lines (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage > died in 1992), so I'm sure he at least was aware > of hip hop DJing, at least in its not-so-incredible > 80s form. I wish I could remember stuff.
quoted 1 line I'm pretty sure that Cage wouldn't have been particularly down with>I'm pretty sure that Cage wouldn't have been particularly down with
hip-hop. well, I was that the Kitchen Center for the Arts in the early '80's. Cage and his partner, Merce Cunningham, were in the audience. At some point there was some DJ (I forget who it was) armed with only a couple turntables who was creating a wild collage of beats and non-musical sounds. And Cage was absolutely delighted, I saw him turn to Merce with a big, amused grin on his face. so...I don't know if he would neccesarily been into hiphop as a whole, but there was clearly a moment where he was discovering and digging turntablism. also, as far as it being "not-so-incredible"...I don't know, you shouldn't go by what hit records came out during that period. There were people doing pretty interesting stuff with turntables by the early '80's. the reason Cage might have been intrigued by it at that particular point was that it was evolving very quickly and it was surprising. kurt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-01 16:39R. LimOn Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > some point there was some DJ (I forget who it wa
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Kurt Hoffman wrote:
quoted 4 lines some point there was some DJ (I forget who it was) armed with only a> some point there was some DJ (I forget who it was) armed with only a > couple turntables who was creating a wild collage of beats and > non-musical sounds. And Cage was absolutely delighted, I saw him turn > to Merce with a big, amused grin on his face.
Er, but was it hip-hop music?
quoted 2 lines also, as far as it being "not-so-incredible"...I don't know, you> also, as far as it being "not-so-incredible"...I don't know, you > shouldn't go by what hit records came out during that period. There
Just wanted to clarify that I didn't say this- it was in the original message I was quoting. For some reason, your mail client stripped the quote characters. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-01 17:08Jeff Shoemaker>> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage >> died in 1992), so I'm sure he at
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quoted 4 lines (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage>> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage >> died in 1992), so I'm sure he at least was aware >> of hip hop DJing, at least in its not-so-incredible >> 80s form. I wish I could remember stuff.
if you ever saw Jazzy Jeff you wouldn't think 80's djing was "not-so-incredible." ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-01 17:16Ross BalmerQuite! A lot of the best techno DJs started off doing hip-hop way back when, they tend to
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Quite! A lot of the best techno DJs started off doing hip-hop way back when, they tend to have far more showmanship. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shoemaker" <cache@texas.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Futurism
quoted 16 lines (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage> >> (the scratch was allegedly invented in 1977...Cage > >> died in 1992), so I'm sure he at least was aware > >> of hip hop DJing, at least in its not-so-incredible > >> 80s form. I wish I could remember stuff. > > if you ever saw Jazzy Jeff you wouldn't think 80's djing was > "not-so-incredible." > > ------------ > 1642 try 621 > ------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-12-01 20:27Kurt Hoffman> >On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > >> some point there was some DJ (I forget who
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quoted 7 lines On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Kurt Hoffman wrote:> >On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > >> some point there was some DJ (I forget who it was) armed with only a >> couple turntables who was creating a wild collage of beats and >> non-musical sounds. And Cage was absolutely delighted, I saw him turn >> to Merce with a big, amused grin on his face.
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quoted 1 line Er, but was it hip-hop music?>Er, but was it hip-hop music?
ok, you're right, it was some artsy hybrid, not exactly hip hop. but it's some indication that Cage might appreciate that sort of thing. it is imaginable that he appreciated the way hip hop stuck all sorts of hitherto unthinkable noises into popular music. I mean, hip hop gave America atonal hit singles. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org