The art of music just isn't really comparable to the art of writing,
except perhaps abstract poetry. Writing is about telling a story; it
tickles the social/psychological part of our brain. Except for
songwriting, music is chiefly about creating pleasing/interesting
sounds. It touches one of our senses directly.
As for creating something that didn't exist before, *ALL* fiction
writing is fantasy to a certain extent. It's all creating lies from
nothing.
I always just figured IDM/electronic music had ties to sci-fi because
the creators of each have their heads in the same clouds and think
about similar things.
-adam piontek
On Oct 20, 2004, at 8:33 PM, dobri wrote:
quoted 129 lines i'm talking about the technicalities of writing and reading about> i'm talking about the technicalities of writing and reading about
> NON-EXISTENT (so far) worlds and creating sounds which didn't exist
> before the speaker played them. i'm not concerned at all with how
> realistic a sci-fi, cyberpunk, space-opera, lsd-novel, etc is. in the
> same way, sounds coming from a synthesizer are artificially-produced
> but are not less real than those coming from a piano. you should not
> confuse "real", "realistic", "artificial", and "synthetic".
>
> see, when you play the guitar, the vibration is part of the qualities
> of the strings and the wooden-box. you can actually hear the strings
> vibrating, and the wooden box reinforcing the sound-wave. it's part of
> nature that you're listening to. in contrast, the synthesizer doesn't
> possess any good accoustic characteristics. it, however, can create
> certain electromagnetic fields which provoke a speaker membrane to
> vibrate.
>
> the worlds of william gibson don't exist in reality, do they? he
> didn't go out, saw a guy with chips in his head and steel bones and
> said, "dude, let's write a novel about that guy over there!" or maybe
> you can make the argument that certain people can see directly in the
> future as it is going to be? i doubt it.
>
> anyway. maybe you should just fuck this topic, it became too
> theoretical.
>
> dobri
>
>
> Robert Feuchtl wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> in the same way, science-fiction reality happens in our minds for
>>> the first time when we read it. this reality is not one that the
>>> writers saw in the real world. it is a complitely synthetically
>>> fabricated world which the writers weave according to their own
>>> imagination and then record into paper and harddisks in order our
>>> brains to give life to it later.
>>>
>>> that's how electronic music and science-fiction are similar in
>>> "artificiality" and that's probably one of the reasons why so many
>>> people enjoy these genres.
>>
>>
>> iґm sorry friend. canґt agree with that. the scifi I mostly always
>> admired is sometimes a predicted future, yes but not necessarily
>> artifial nature (jack vance is quite hippie / fantasy stuff in a
>> sophisticated scientific way)... I am simply fascinated by the
>> possibilties of the future (frank herbert, p.k. dick). they feedback
>> backwards towards our life. sci fi was an hatred genre because ppl
>> thought it has nothing to do with their lifes.. this made the authors
>> of these times even more mad about writing real shit.. that, and the
>> (re)discovery of drugs and psychology, zen-philosophy etc. in the
>> early 60ies towards the late 60ies layed the ground for the golden
>> age of scifi which definetly was in that era. and john brunner is a
>> fucking genious of giving real life stories a dark and thrilling
>> psychologic twist.. i donґt understand why nobody ever plundered his
>> books for film. aynways, thats also scifi and absolutely not
>> artificial...
>>
>> i think its just the slick black / silver polished spaceships and an
>> affection for high-tec we have since getting paralyzed by THX1138,
>> blade runner and alien ... :)
>>
>> is "stalker" scifi? is it artificial? :)
>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> well, that's for now,
>>> dobri
>>>
>>>
>>> "The best way to predict the future is to go (mentally) in the
>>> direction in which our fears grow."
>>
>>
>> yeah. but I totally agree with that... :)
>>
>>> "What some people perceive as the End of the World, for History is
>>> just the sign that Future is coming."
>>
>>
>> u should have told that to the dinosaurs ;)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> seek wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enquiries"
>>>>> My own recommendations:
>>>>> Jorge Luis Borges - anything, but particularly the collection
>>>>> called
>>>>> Labyrinths, not sci-fi, but what the heck, deals with the infinite
>>>>> Thomas Pynchon - has to be Gravity's Rainbow really.
>>>>> Samuel R. Delaney - dhalgren, don't know where to start, just read
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Jeff Noon - the earlier ones, particularly Vurt and Pollen.
>>>>> Donald Barthelme - again not really sci-fi, but freaky enough to
>>>>> include.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now ~that~ is a worthwhile reading list.
>>>>
>>>> seek
>>>>
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