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dobri
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Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:33:35 -0400
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Re: [idm] fiction reading, writing
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i'm talking about the technicalities of writing and reading about NON-EXISTENT (so far) worlds and creating sounds which didn't exist before the speaker played them. i'm not concerned at all with how realistic a sci-fi, cyberpunk, space-opera, lsd-novel, etc is. in the same way, sounds coming from a synthesizer are artificially-produced but are not less real than those coming from a piano. you should not confuse "real", "realistic", "artificial", and "synthetic". see, when you play the guitar, the vibration is part of the qualities of the strings and the wooden-box. you can actually hear the strings vibrating, and the wooden box reinforcing the sound-wave. it's part of nature that you're listening to. in contrast, the synthesizer doesn't possess any good accoustic characteristics. it, however, can create certain electromagnetic fields which provoke a speaker membrane to vibrate. the worlds of william gibson don't exist in reality, do they? he didn't go out, saw a guy with chips in his head and steel bones and said, "dude, let's write a novel about that guy over there!" or maybe you can make the argument that certain people can see directly in the future as it is going to be? i doubt it. anyway. maybe you should just fuck this topic, it became too theoretical. dobri Robert Feuchtl wrote:
quoted 93 lines in the same way, science-fiction reality happens in our minds for the> >> >> in the same way, science-fiction reality happens in our minds for the >> first time when we read it. this reality is not one that the writers >> saw in the real world. it is a complitely synthetically fabricated >> world which the writers weave according to their own imagination and >> then record into paper and harddisks in order our brains to give life >> to it later. >> >> that's how electronic music and science-fiction are similar in >> "artificiality" and that's probably one of the reasons why so many >> people enjoy these genres. > > > iґm sorry friend. canґt agree with that. the scifi I mostly always > admired is sometimes a predicted future, yes but not necessarily > artifial nature (jack vance is quite hippie / fantasy stuff in a > sophisticated scientific way)... I am simply fascinated by the > possibilties of the future (frank herbert, p.k. dick). they feedback > backwards towards our life. sci fi was an hatred genre because ppl > thought it has nothing to do with their lifes.. this made the authors > of these times even more mad about writing real shit.. that, and the > (re)discovery of drugs and psychology, zen-philosophy etc. in the > early 60ies towards the late 60ies layed the ground for the golden age > of scifi which definetly was in that era. and john brunner is a > fucking genious of giving real life stories a dark and thrilling > psychologic twist.. i donґt understand why nobody ever plundered his > books for film. aynways, thats also scifi and absolutely not > artificial... > > i think its just the slick black / silver polished spaceships and an > affection for high-tec we have since getting paralyzed by THX1138, > blade runner and alien ... :) > > is "stalker" scifi? is it artificial? :) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> well, that's for now, >> dobri >> >> >> "The best way to predict the future is to go (mentally) in the >> direction in which our fears grow." > > > yeah. but I totally agree with that... :) > >> "What some people perceive as the End of the World, for History is >> just the sign that Future is coming." > > > u should have told that to the dinosaurs ;) > >> >> >> seek wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enquiries" >>> >>>> My own recommendations: >>>> Jorge Luis Borges - anything, but particularly the collection called >>>> Labyrinths, not sci-fi, but what the heck, deals with the infinite >>>> Thomas Pynchon - has to be Gravity's Rainbow really. >>>> Samuel R. Delaney - dhalgren, don't know where to start, just read it. >>>> Jeff Noon - the earlier ones, particularly Vurt and Pollen. >>>> Donald Barthelme - again not really sci-fi, but freaky enough to >>>> include. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Now ~that~ is a worthwhile reading list. >>> >>> seek >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > >
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