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From:
Alan Lucas
To:
Connor Higgins
Cc:
David Bohan , Laurent Knauth , Clint Anderson , Eric Fairbanks , kent williams , IDM
Date:
Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:11:14 -0400
Subject:
Re: New Squarepusher track
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I think [ACTUAL REAL AND TRUE AND INARGUABLE FACT]. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 156 lines I think [OPINION].> I think [OPINION]. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:33 AM, David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What's wrong with you all? This track is proper ace. >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Back in the Protracker days, i once recorded the Amiga channels onto >>> cassette and resampled the track this way. >>> >>> Quite blurry, RAM-hog (4 bars) and slightly unsync'ed. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> heh in the .mod days ppl would use mod2wav to make patterns from their >>>> .mod files into wav files, the idea being that since you only had 4 tracks >>>> if you could write a 4 track beat and mix it down to 1 wav file you could >>>> free up 3 channels >>>> </mod-nerd> >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Eric Fairbanks < >>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh man, those stutter-rolls. That's friggin' impressive. They sound so >>>>> smooth, and the volume envelopes are perfect. >>>>> >>>>> Must've taken a hellovalot of time. :P >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This track was made entirely in Sound Forge >>>>>> http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/SoFarSoSo/02%20Morton%27s%20Shadow.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> This was from this album >>>>>> http://music.cornwarning.com/2009/01/31/so-far-so-so-retrospective-1995-2005/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd >>>>>>> figure out the number of samples in a 4-beat measures, create that much >>>>>>> silence, and turn on the selection grid in Sound Forge so I could see where >>>>>>> the beats were, and paste/mix samples in. Once I had some basic patterns >>>>>>> and sounds, I'd make copies and fuck them up, and string them out and >>>>>>> paste-mix other loops into the master mix. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm really comfortable working directly with waveforms. It's a lot >>>>>>> easier these days with other tools, but I liked that method better than the >>>>>>> other options of the time, which were trackers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Though I did do trackers to generate loops that I'd arrange in Acid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:16 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ah man, Acid Pro. That's exactly what I was picturing. I've heard >>>>>>>> of musicians who work like that, but it sounds like a nightmare. Might as >>>>>>>> well compose music in a video editor at that point IMO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM kent williams < >>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I did it kind of as a dare for myself. I was working in Acid Pro, >>>>>>>>> and I cut the break into chunks, and then looped a bar or two bars, and >>>>>>>>> copy/paste bits into the loop until it feels full. Then move on to the >>>>>>>>> next measure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It wasn't hard, but it made me hate those particular sounds by the >>>>>>>>> time I was done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:44 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>>>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kent, that's nuts. I can't imagine working with sampled breaks in >>>>>>>>>> an audio editor. (well, I suppose I can, but it sounds like a serious >>>>>>>>>> headache) My recent jam has been writing LUA scripts that >>>>>>>>>> generate/transform patterns in Renoise that re-arrange cut up breakbeats. >>>>>>>>>> Editing and manipulating breaks and sequences in a tracker at 180+ BPM >>>>>>>>>> 8/16LPB is work enough. Cutting up breaks in an audio editor represents a >>>>>>>>>> level of long-term focus and dedication that I'm unfamiliar with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Totally hypothetical, but if Jenkinson handed me a spec for some >>>>>>>>>> beatmangling software, I'd happily implement it in return for some spastic >>>>>>>>>> Squarepusher-brand breakcore. >.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:24 PM kent williams < >>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I'd call it piss-weak. Not sure if I like it yet, >>>>>>>>>>> but I enjoy the melodic content. It sounds like he's using the Eventide >>>>>>>>>>> effects rack as a synthesizer again -- that buzzy foreground sound, which >>>>>>>>>>> comes from playing bass through it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Closest contemporary comparison is the PC Music stuff, which is >>>>>>>>>>> manically shiny in a similar way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can't fault him for trying to do something that sounds >>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As regards the Amen break, I did a track years ago that involved >>>>>>>>>>> loading the Amen break as a sample, and then cutting and arranging it so >>>>>>>>>>> every bar was different, across 5 minutes. As you can imagine this amounted >>>>>>>>>>> to about 8 hours of painstaking zoomed-in editing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ever since doing that, I'm allergic to the Amen. I don't mind if >>>>>>>>>>> people use it in their tracks, but if I load it a sampler and start messing >>>>>>>>>>> with it, I start feeling sad and wishing it would go away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM CRAIG SIMPSON < >>>>>>>>>>> craignorms@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is pis* weak. Hes making music that sounds like its all >>>>>>>>>>>> been sampled from an arcade or funfair. Hes given up on the amen break. >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a tragedy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:06:04 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:47 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've had to review a 12" or two for the radio station where I DJ, and >>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard anything that appealed to me in the least. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> kent williams wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the IDM >>>>>>>>>>>> > list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >