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[idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest

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2003-01-26 21:50pietrobot [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
2003-01-26 22:20concrete cookie Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
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├─ 2003-01-26 23:30Kent williams Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
└─ 2003-01-27 10:42ma_hovina Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
└─ 2003-01-27 12:58Kent williams Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
2003-01-26 23:52Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
2003-01-27 23:15consumer monkey [idm] Re: Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
└─ 2003-01-28 00:17EggyToast Re: [idm] Re: Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
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2003-01-26 21:50pietrobotSubmit your remix before February 14th! http://nettwerkamerica.com/delerium Pietro. // //
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Submit your remix before February 14th! http://nettwerkamerica.com/delerium Pietro. // // -- DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: exp.electronic RADIO friday night mid-3am (pst) kuci 88.9 fm // -- www.kuci.org & www.digitalnimbus.com // -- p.o. box 443, orange, california, 92856 // -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-26 22:20concrete cookiethis kindA sucks tho no?: "All entrants to the Contest acknowledge that Nettwerk Productio
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this kindA sucks tho no?: "All entrants to the Contest acknowledge that Nettwerk Productions will own all results and proceeds including copyright in and to the entrant's remix submitted hereunder. To the extent entrant owns same, entrant hereby assigns such rights to Nettwerk Productions in perpetuity. Entrant waives any and all moral rights in and to the remix and the mixes created hereunder. Entrant acknowledges that Nettwerk Productions may commercially release or otherwise exploit the remix in any manner it deems fit, now or hereinafter invented, without territories limitations, and that entrant shall not be entitled to any payment of any kind as a result of such release or other exploitation. Entrant hereby agrees to indemnify Nettwerk and Artist from any and all breaches of this section and any liability, costs or expenses associated therewithin." ----- Original Message ----- From: pietrobot <pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <ambient@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest
quoted 22 lines Submit your remix before February 14th!> > Submit your remix before February 14th! > > http://nettwerkamerica.com/delerium > > Pietro. > > // // -- > DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: exp.electronic RADIO > friday night mid-3am (pst) kuci 88.9 fm // -- > www.kuci.org & www.digitalnimbus.com // -- > p.o. box 443, orange, california, 92856 // -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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2003-01-26 22:50andrij@misrule.orgQuoting concrete cookie <cookie@mashup.org>: > this kinda sucks tho no?: A little more tha
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Quoting concrete cookie <cookie@mashup.org>:
quoted 1 line this kinda sucks tho no?:> this kinda sucks tho no?:
A little more than kinda, I'd say. Seems like a cop-out for not hiring "real" remixes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-26 23:30Kent williamsThis is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it. Same thing applies to a
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This is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it. Same thing applies to all the remix contests at acidplanet.com. If you are contracted to do a remix for a label, it's work for hire -- you don't derive any continuing royalties. You sign a similar contract in that case. And if the label doesn't like the remix, then you still get paid but no one ever hears it. The only thing that sucks about this is that all the remixes that don't make the cut are buried -- they aren't releasable by anybody else. But there really isn't anything to do about it -- if an artist says 'hey lets have fans do remixes' then an agreement like this is what gets pooped out of the label's lawyers. On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, concrete cookie wrote:
quoted 5 lines this kindA sucks tho no?:> this kindA sucks tho no?: > > "All entrants to the Contest acknowledge that Nettwerk Productions will own > all results and proceeds including copyright in and to the entrant's remix > submitted hereunder.
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2003-01-27 10:42ma_hovinaThe original track sucks anyway... What a looser! Am 26.01.2003 23:20 Uhr schrieb "concret
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The original track sucks anyway... What a looser! Am 26.01.2003 23:20 Uhr schrieb "concrete cookie" unter <cookie@mashup.org>:
quoted 53 lines this kindA sucks tho no?:> this kindA sucks tho no?: > > "All entrants to the Contest acknowledge that Nettwerk Productions will own > all results and proceeds including copyright in and to the entrant's remix > submitted hereunder. To the extent entrant owns same, entrant hereby assigns > such rights to Nettwerk Productions in perpetuity. Entrant waives any and > all moral rights in and to the remix and the mixes created hereunder. > Entrant acknowledges that Nettwerk Productions may commercially release or > otherwise exploit the remix in any manner it deems fit, now or hereinafter > invented, without territories limitations, and that entrant shall not be > entitled to any payment of any kind as a result of such release or other > exploitation. Entrant hereby agrees to indemnify Nettwerk and Artist from > any and all breaches of this section and any liability, costs or expenses > associated therewithin." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pietrobot <pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Cc: <ambient@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:50 PM > Subject: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest > > >> >> Submit your remix before February 14th! >> >> http://nettwerkamerica.com/delerium >> >> Pietro. >> >> // // -- >> DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: exp.electronic RADIO >> friday night mid-3am (pst) kuci 88.9 fm // -- >> www.kuci.org & www.digitalnimbus.com // -- >> p.o. box 443, orange, california, 92856 // -- >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-27 12:58Kent williamsOn Mon, 27 Jan 2003, ma_hovina wrote: > The original track sucks anyway... What a looser!
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, ma_hovina wrote:
quoted 2 lines The original track sucks anyway... What a looser!> The original track sucks anyway... What a looser! >
Wait until I get done with it. It'll break your heart. It'll break your ears. If anything it will be looser than loose. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-26 23:52Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire> This is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it. > Same thing applies
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quoted 6 lines This is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it.> This is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it. > Same thing applies to all the remix contests at acidplanet.com. > > If you are contracted to do a remix for a label, it's work for hire -- > you don't derive any continuing royalties. You sign a similar contract in > that case. And if the label doesn't like the remix, then you still get
paid
quoted 6 lines but no one ever hears it.> but no one ever hears it. > > The only thing that sucks about this is that all the remixes that don't > make the cut are buried -- they aren't releasable by anybody else. > > But there really isn't anything to do about it -- if an artist says 'hey
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quoted 2 lines have fans do remixes' then an agreement like this is what gets pooped out> have fans do remixes' then an agreement like this is what gets pooped out > of the label's lawyers.
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2003-01-27 23:15consumer monkey'work for hire' is the operative phrase here. isn't work without pay slavery? it's underst
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'work for hire' is the operative phrase here. isn't work without pay slavery? it's understood that you don't get royalties, it's not your 'property', but i assume nettwerk will get some kind of fiscal gain from this release? are delerium [or their representatives] that special that they assume everyone else will serve their ego? i see that nettwerk have a back catalogue that houses a lot of eighties artists like tackhead, skinny puppy and severed heads, what happened? and let's face it, this track needs a remix, granted bill leeb and rhys fulber have made some interesting music in their time, but this just sounds like Middle Of the Road america with vocoder style vocals to make it tragically hip. dear nettwerk, take your suits elsewhere. DIY has been going strong for a long time now...you're not needed. Morrissey From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> Subject: Re: [idm] Delerium "After All" Remix Contest Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:30:29 -0600 (CST) 'This is totally standard language. You don't like it, don't do it. Same thing applies to all the remix contests at acidplanet.com. If you are contracted to do a remix for a label, it's work for hire -- you don't derive any continuing royalties. You sign a similar contract in that case. And if the label doesn't like the remix, then you still get paid but no one ever hears it. The only thing that sucks about this is that all the remixes that don't make the cut are buried -- they aren't releasable by anybody else. But there really isn't anything to do about it -- if an artist says 'hey lets have fans do remixes' then an agreement like this is what gets pooped out of the label's lawyers'. On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, concrete cookie wrote:
quoted 5 lines this kindA sucks tho no?:>this kindA sucks tho no?: > >"All entrants to the Contest acknowledge that Nettwerk Productions will own >all results and proceeds including copyright in and to the entrant's remix >submitted hereunder.
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2003-01-28 00:17EggyToastAt 11:15 PM 1/27/2003 +0000, you wrote: >'work for hire' is the operative phrase here. >is
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At 11:15 PM 1/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines 'work for hire' is the operative phrase here.>'work for hire' is the operative phrase here. >isn't work without pay slavery? it's understood that you don't get >royalties, it's not your 'property', but i assume nettwerk will get some >kind of fiscal gain from this release?
Slavery if it's forced. No one's forcing anyone to make the remixes. So it qualifies as volunteerism. Either they're doing it to put out a release (in which case most people who would voluntarily do a remix for a big band without being paid would be elated to be put on an actual CD) or it'll all be web-based and be a download etc. etc. I believe Nettwerk is of a mind to think that someone doing a remix for a relatively well-known group like Delerium for no pay would be happy in just winning. I'd probably agree with them. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org