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2001-10-03 06:54killog123@juno.comwhat's up with forced exposure not paying artists ? with out artists, there would be no fo

From:: <killog123@juno.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 02:54:28 -0400
Subject:: [idm] Forced explotation

what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ? with out artists, there would be no forced exposure... feel that jimmy ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-03 07:01AndreiOn Wed, 3 Oct 2001 killog123@juno.com wrote: > what's up with forced exposure not paying a

From:: Andrei <andrei@world.std.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:01:38 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation
Reply to:: [idm] Forced explotation

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 killog123@juno.com wrote:

quoted 1 line what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ?

> what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ?

Where did you get _that_ information ? Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-03 12:52Andrew Hime> what's up with forced exposure not > paying artists ? > > with out artists, there would

From:: Andrew Hime <hime1@gte.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:52:59 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

quoted 7 lines what's up with forced exposure not

> what's up with forced exposure not > paying artists ? > > with out artists, there would be no > forced exposure... > > feel that jimmy ?

Sonic Therapy's dealings with Forced Exposure were completely on the up and up, and I look forward to working with them again some day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-03 16:53philippe petitwhat's up with forced exposure not paying artists ? with out artists, there would be no fo

From:: philippe petit <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:53:25 +0200
Subject:: [idm] Forced explotation

what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ? with out artists, there would be no forced exposure... feel that jimmy ? hmmm just got a cheque so they pay. funny that lie comes from Mr "killog123.juno.com" who also sent me a message to insult BiP_HOp earlier in the morning... Which doesn't really matter but one thing is certain Forced Exposure pay, may be late as every distro. philippe | 0000 \\\\.. \\\\ __ http://www.bip-hop.com _---||||...\\\\..\\\\ | 0000 --------- unconventional sound adventures ---------- <> | XXX ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ adventurous & creative electronica ----------- \\

2001-10-03 20:32Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3at 03-10-2001 18:53, philippe petit (philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr) wrote: It's like Philippe

From:: Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3 <kraak@pandora.be>
To:: <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:32:03 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation
Reply to:: [idm] Forced explotation

at 03-10-2001 18:53, philippe petit (philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr) wrote: It's like Philippe says, they do pay, maybe a (sometimes) bit late but they aways do. Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this. Everybody who runs a label,is an "artist" or does distro knows it's hard to keep up. You all should be glad Forced exists.

quoted 20 lines what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ?

> what's up with forced exposure not paying artists ? > with out artists, there would be no forced exposure... > feel that jimmy ? > > > > hmmm just got a cheque so they pay. > funny that lie comes from Mr "killog123.juno.com" who also sent me a message > to > insult BiP_HOp earlier in the morning... Which doesn't really matter but one > thing is > certain Forced Exposure pay, may be late as every distro. > philippe > > > | 0000 \\\\.. \\\\ __ http://www.bip-hop.com _---||||...\\\\..\\\\ > | 0000 --------- unconventional sound adventures ---------- <> > | XXX ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ adventurous & creative electronica ----------- \\ > >

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2001-10-03 20:59Lenny Coltrane>Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this. >Everybody who runs a

From:: Lenny Coltrane <lpcoltrane@hotmail.com>
To:: <kraak@pandora.be>, <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:59:59 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

quoted 3 lines Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this.

>Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this. >Everybody who runs a label,is an "artist" or does distro knows it's hard to >keep up. You all should be glad Forced exists.

Don't confuse love with business. FE is notorious for blacklisting certain artists, labels, and whatnot, and for being late on payments to artists and labels. For refusing due to personal politics to make good on deals agreed to previously. For flaking out on orders and promises to distribute various records and record labels in an effective and efficient manner. If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's underground electronic scene would actually have greater diversity; their politics have actually *kept* a large number of great acts from hitting our sh/stores. Never mistake FE as being anything other than what it is: moneymaker. lpc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-03 21:10Kent williamsOn Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Lenny Coltrane wrote: > > Don't confuse love with business. FE is noto

From:: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>
To:: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:10:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Lenny Coltrane wrote:

quoted 12 lines Don't confuse love with business. FE is notorious for blacklisting certain

> > Don't confuse love with business. FE is notorious for blacklisting certain > artists, labels, and whatnot, and for being late on payments to artists and > labels. For refusing due to personal politics to make good on deals agreed > to previously. For flaking out on orders and promises to distribute various > records and record labels in an effective and efficient manner. > > If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's underground electronic scene > would actually have greater diversity; their politics have actually *kept* a > large number of great acts from hitting our sh/stores. Never mistake FE as > being anything other than what it is: moneymaker. >

I've never had dealings with FE, but I'll tell you this: they are certainly no worse than any other American distributor. And if we're talking politics, why hate on them in a public forum? It doesn't fix anything, and if they see your post, what are your chances of ever working with them? You may not care to, but being a public crank never enhances your reputation. And I could die happy if I never saw another mailing list post complaining about businesses trying to be good businesses by making money. Well I could die happy if I had that, a private harem of hot women who like experimetnal electronic music, and a 16-panel Serge Modular ... and a closet full of Neumann microphones, and a Manley Massive Passive, and a vintage Neve mixing desk ... I guess I'm just going to have to find another way to die happy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-04 00:34AndreiOn Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Lenny Coltrane wrote: > If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's

From:: Andrei <andrei@world.std.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:34:39 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Lenny Coltrane wrote:

quoted 4 lines If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's underground electronic scene

> If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's underground electronic scene > would actually have greater diversity; their politics have actually *kept* a > large number of great acts from hitting our sh/stores. Never mistake FE as > being anything other than what it is: moneymaker.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about and have no sense of FE's history (like before they even carried your treasured IDM labels). I'd like you to name some great US underground acts which FE refused to carry. Many people probably don't know this, but FE has actually been manufacturing all Schematic and Chocolate Industries releases for the past couple of years. One thing I can tell you is that they refuse to carry CD-Rs and they tend to only carry releases which come in pressings of at least 1000 (either that or 500, I can't remember), so maybe that's what you're referring to in your statement regarding the US underground electronic scene. They expect a certain level of professionalism from the labels they deal with. If you wanna burn 100 CD-Rs of your music with Xeroxed art work you can probably "distribute" those yourself. FE does adhere to a general sort of aesthetic in that they basically only carry music of a "non-commercial", "experimental" and obscure nature and their stock does reflect Jimmy's preferences to an extent, but if you're aware of another distributor which carries a more diverse and vast selection of releases please let me know. I think you'd actually have a much harder time finding all your obscure IDM releases (and at decent prices) in the US had FE not existed. Places like PJ's s://kimo and Other Music get at least 90% of their electronic music stock from FE. And, no, I don't work for FE. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-10-03 21:28Aaron Trummexcuse the ignorance, please please please please ;) - but what is forced exposure? -----

From:: Aaron Trumm <aaron@nquit.com>
To:: <kraak@pandora.be>, <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:28:31 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

excuse the ignorance, please please please please ;) - but what is forced exposure? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny Coltrane" <lpcoltrane@hotmail.com> To: <kraak@pandora.be>; <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Forced explotation

quoted 2 lines Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this.

> >Anyway: there's no way to excuse to behave on the lists like this. > >Everybody who runs a label,is an "artist" or does distro knows it's hard

quoted 3 lines keep up. You all should be glad Forced exists.

> >keep up. You all should be glad Forced exists. > > Don't confuse love with business. FE is notorious for blacklisting

certain

quoted 1 line artists, labels, and whatnot, and for being late on payments to artists

> artists, labels, and whatnot, and for being late on payments to artists

and

quoted 1 line labels. For refusing due to personal politics to make good on deals

> labels. For refusing due to personal politics to make good on deals

agreed

quoted 1 line to previously. For flaking out on orders and promises to distribute

> to previously. For flaking out on orders and promises to distribute

various

quoted 4 lines records and record labels in an effective and efficient manner.

> records and record labels in an effective and efficient manner. > > If FE didn't exist, it's likely that the US's underground electronic scene > would actually have greater diversity; their politics have actually *kept*

quoted 1 line large number of great acts from hitting our sh/stores. Never mistake FE

> large number of great acts from hitting our sh/stores. Never mistake FE

quoted 12 lines being anything other than what it is: moneymaker.

> being anything other than what it is: moneymaker. > > lpc > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2001-10-04 06:40philippe petitYou obviously don't know what you're talking about and have no sense of FE's history (like

From:: philippe petit <philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:40:04 +0200
Subject:: [idm] Forced explotation

You obviously don't know what you're talking about and have no sense of FE's history (like before they even carried your treasured IDM labels). thanx for reminding that, I grew up reading Forced Exposure zine and it was a very good publication. I think you'd actually have a much harder time finding all your obscure IDM releases (and at decent prices) in the US had FE not existed. Places like PJ's s://kimo and Other Music get at least 90% of their electronic music stock from FE. Dutch-East India is also servicing most of the stores and they have a huge selection, at a very good price. Less than 13$ for a full-length... http://www.dutch-east.com have a nice day philippe | 0000 \\\\.. \\\\ __ http://www.bip-hop.com _---||||...\\\\..\\\\ | 0000 --------- unconventional sound adventures ---------- <> | XXX ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ adventurous & creative electronica ----------- \\