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2001-04-08 23:53Iain Forfar [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties
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2001-04-09 18:12swamay [idm] What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
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2001-04-08 23:53Iain ForfarQuick report. Tortoise were fab. Boards of Canada were fucking amazing. They played for 1
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Quick report. Tortoise were fab. Boards of Canada were fucking amazing. They played for 1 hour, and only 3 tracks I knew. The whole set seemed to be mostly new stuff, and are we all in for a treat when the album comes out! Just, well, just wait! Prefuse 73 were well cool - Whoever the MC was had a funny go at the spotters with "They like being stared at" (they being the Prefuse boys, as there were 2 of them live) Ae. sounded funky, but I had to leave. Oh, Broadcast renewed my faith in the live band shit. Gotta love England! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 17:02Rev Simon RumbleI concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. Boards of Canada brilliant. Broadcast were gr
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I concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. Boards of Canada brilliant. Broadcast were great. Def Jux Posse were great and seemed quite out of place since they were entertaining the crowd, not jerking off musically. This brings me to my gripe with the weekend. Most of the bands didn't seem to be there for their "fans" but were instead just up there making noise. Major culprits: Authechre, Television, Stereolab and Tortoise DJs (playing Whitney Houston may be tres-ironic but I heard the same track three times over the weekend bringing it to five times in the last week or so). These bands and DJs need to remember they're entertainers. An hour of wanking on stage isn't very exciting, although the turtleneck crowd seemed to be into it. Organisation was a bit lacking. 100 quid tickets and no way to get from the train station to the festival except a once-per-hour bus (the normal town bus) or one of the six taxis in town? Our "four berth chalet" ended up being four beds of six people in the room meaning we were meant to share with two strangers, until we kicked up a stink. -- Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK simon@rumble.net http://www.rumble.net Prejudice: A vagrant opinion without visible means of support. -- Ambrose Bierce --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 18:12swamayWhat do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage? I ask this because i hear p
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What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage? I ask this because i hear people saying "all he/she does is just sit there with a laptop! how boring!" or "the band was not there for the fans, they were just up there making noise!" What, you want flaming skulls and a rotating drumset suspended over the croud? :) I think anything more than twisting knobs and bobbing your head to to the music you are making is pure "look at me im a star" BS. Unless you are naturaly a jumpy show off. When i see a live electronic show, i am interested in how they make thier music, and what gear they are using to create it. Im not there to see a band jump up and down and look stupid. I lose respect for anyone that is trying to "show off" on stage, and "create" a false persona or "show" Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. What do you think? ~swamay~ www.swamay.com www.mp3.com/swamay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev Simon Rumble" <simon@rumble.net> To: "Iain Forfar" <Iainf@ukgateway.net> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties
quoted 35 lines I concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. Boards of Canada> I concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. Boards of Canada > brilliant. Broadcast were great. Def Jux Posse were great and seemed > quite out of place since they were entertaining the crowd, not jerking > off musically. > > This brings me to my gripe with the weekend. Most of the bands didn't > seem to be there for their "fans" but were instead just up there > making noise. Major culprits: Authechre, Television, Stereolab and > Tortoise DJs (playing Whitney Houston may be tres-ironic but I heard > the same track three times over the weekend bringing it to five times > in the last week or so). > > These bands and DJs need to remember they're entertainers. An hour of > wanking on stage isn't very exciting, although the turtleneck crowd > seemed to be into it. > > Organisation was a bit lacking. 100 quid tickets and no way to get > from the train station to the festival except a once-per-hour bus (the > normal town bus) or one of the six taxis in town? Our "four berth > chalet" ended up being four beds of six people in the room meaning we > were meant to share with two strangers, until we kicked up a stink. > > -- > Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK > simon@rumble.net > http://www.rumble.net > > Prejudice: > A vagrant opinion without visible means of support. > -- Ambrose Bierce > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-04-09 18:14EggyToast>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. then why go see them liv
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quoted 1 line Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.
then why go see them live? cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now with HTML --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 18:22Jeremy Axon>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > >then why go see them
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quoted 3 lines Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > >then why go see them live?
hmm I don't know maybe some live improv, new and/or unique material and a chance to meet them. Does that answer your question? j-a- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 18:51EggyToastAt 02:22 PM 4/9/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not w
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At 02:22 PM 4/9/2001 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 7 lines Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. >> >>then why go see them live? > > >hmm I don't know maybe some live improv, new and/or unique material and a >chance to meet them. Does that answer your question?
That's why I go see live shows. I like seeing the artists do their thing. Twisting knobs and triggering samples can be a great show - when Paradinas toured last fall, he brought tons of crazy gear and was re-creating all this stuff real-time, and he was definitely keeping himself busy. While, on the contrary, Vibert and Cole made good music but Vibert was pretty boring, because he would let patterns and loops play for rather long, just occasionally changing things around, so most of the time it was more interesting to watch Mr. Cole play. I don't think it's a matter of "showing off." I think it's a matter of at least looking busy on stage. The audience came to see the performer *do* stuff, or at least have some interaction. You said above that you'd like a chance to meet most of the artists you go see live - I assume, then, that you'd be a little bummed if you went to go see a show, and the artist was behind a black curtain, concealing all his gear and everything else he did, and then scurried off-stage afterwards. I know I'd be. ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 21:42activity@activaireElectronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its original source.
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Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its original source. Each time a sounds is processed, re-recorded, or dubbed, it loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. This takes us to the root of electronic music, and computers, and even our daily work. Nothing is as simple as pressing a button. Also-it's great to meet the musicians. I suppose some shows have more energy than others- Phonem is amazing live, as well as Patcha Kutek. Fucking awesome. -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Axon [mailto:jeremya@objectools.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:22 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
quoted 3 lines Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > >then why go see them live?
hmm I don't know maybe some live improv, new and/or unique material and a chance to meet them. Does that answer your question? j-a- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 19:18Gee WhyOh please. While I truly appreciate any artist who comes and and does his or her thing liv
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Oh please. While I truly appreciate any artist who comes and and does his or her thing live, and really I do, live electronic music is boring as hell. The only thing that actually indulges me is to see the group's live rig and see how they set up their performance as 'live.' But that's sort of the same feedback as reading a magazine article that asks gear type questions. If someone could perform a live show without any sequencers may it would be different, but it's not. When dealing in the realm of texture based non-dance music then only exciting part of the performance is seeing the producer's reaction to their own live manipulation of sound. But that's not the music, that's the creative process. Closer to the music? Oh right, like it's gonna sound better on a PA designed for volume and projection than it will sound on my studio monitors or even bookshelf monitors. bleh -Gil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 19:29Kent williamsLive electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony. Charlie Parker tu
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Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony. Charlie Parker turned jazz upside down without ever doing anything but blow in his horn. Only in Rock and Roll and Vegas showrooms is a spectacle a necessary part of a live performance. If you want to hear electronic music, go to a show and listen. better yet, Dance. If you want to see a spectacle go check out Siegfried and Roy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 20:05AndreiOn Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Kent williams wrote: > Live electronic music is about as entertaining
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quoted 8 lines Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony.> Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony. > Charlie Parker turned jazz upside down without ever doing anything but > blow in his horn. > > Only in Rock and Roll and Vegas showrooms is a spectacle a necessary > part of a live performance. If you want to hear electronic music, go > to a show and listen. better yet, Dance. If you want to see a spectacle > go check out Siegfried and Roy.
Right on, right on ! Fuckin' MTV generation ! Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 22:44activity@activaireboring depends on the crowd- IDM shows in Miami are awesome- everyone is really proud of t
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boring depends on the crowd- IDM shows in Miami are awesome- everyone is really proud of their artists, and they are always looking for more shows to go to. NYC electronic shows are harsh because we'll get arrested for dancing...rebel people- put the "Dance" back in IDM- move that lard gut around some -----Original Message----- From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:29 PM To: Gee Why Cc: IDM list Subject: Re: [idm] live is always great (boring as hell) Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony. Charlie Parker turned jazz upside down without ever doing anything but blow in his horn. Only in Rock and Roll and Vegas showrooms is a spectacle a necessary part of a live performance. If you want to hear electronic music, go to a show and listen. better yet, Dance. If you want to see a spectacle go check out Siegfried and Roy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-10 19:05Lee Azzarelloon 4/9/01 12:29 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote: > Live electronic music is abo
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quoted 1 line Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony.> Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony.
I like going to the symphony. And I think Cex is good too. All the haters are just jealous. -------------------- -l[e^2] *new { ^this.shouldNotImplement(thisMethod) } --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-10 20:44>>R107 PRODUCTIONS> on 4/9/01 12:29 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote: > >> Live electronic music i
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quoted 7 lines on 4/9/01 12:29 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote:> on 4/9/01 12:29 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote: > >> Live electronic music is about as entertaining as going to the symphony. > > I like going to the symphony. And I think Cex is good too. All the haters > are just jealous. >
going to the symphony? huh? oh.. and Cex rocks. as does live electronic music. Well.. most of it. ;D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 19:38AndreiOn Mon, 9 Apr 2001, activity@activaire wrote: > Electronic music always sounds better "liv
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, activity@activaire wrote:
quoted 4 lines Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its> Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its > original source. Each time a sounds is processed, re-recorded, or dubbed, it > loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds > coming directly from the lap-top are more pure.
Huh ? You find that a laptop going through a shitty and usually distorted sound system (which is the case the majority of the time) sounds more "pure" then a mastered DAT or aiff/wav files directly transfered to a CD and played over a decent stereo system ? And I'm curious about what an aiff/wav file loses when it's "processed, re-recorded, or dubbed" since at least 2 of those things will no doubt be done digitally ? What the hell does "pure" mean anyway when you're dealing with digitally manipulated sound ? Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 22:56activity@activaireYou're hearing the original files- it sounds better- Just because something is digital doe
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You're hearing the original files- it sounds better- Just because something is digital doesn't mean all of it's content is intact. There are several different file formats- and you can argue this untill your blue in the face, so go ahead. And, not all sound systems in clubs are shitty. -----Original Message----- From: Andrei [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:39 PM To: activity@activaire Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] live is always great On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, activity@activaire wrote:
quoted 2 lines Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its> Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its > original source. Each time a sounds is processed, re-recorded, or dubbed,
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quoted 2 lines loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds> loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds > coming directly from the lap-top are more pure.
Huh ? You find that a laptop going through a shitty and usually distorted sound system (which is the case the majority of the time) sounds more "pure" then a mastered DAT or aiff/wav files directly transfered to a CD and played over a decent stereo system ? And I'm curious about what an aiff/wav file loses when it's "processed, re-recorded, or dubbed" since at least 2 of those things will no doubt be done digitally ? What the hell does "pure" mean anyway when you're dealing with digitally manipulated sound ? Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 19:52booey chewyPlus some of the most IDM of the IDM albums are all based on this... Have you ever heard o
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Plus some of the most IDM of the IDM albums are all based on this... Have you ever heard of lofi sampling??? You take a clean sound and downgrade it into a lower format. That is how nearly 90% of mid-era idm drums are made (autechre, aphex, funkstorung, squarepusher and so on) todd --- "activity@activaire" <activity@activaire.com> wrote:
quoted 55 lines You're hearing the original files- it sounds better-> You're hearing the original files- it sounds better- > Just because something > is digital doesn't mean all of it's content is > intact. There are several > different file formats- and you can argue this > untill your blue in the face, > so go ahead. > > And, not all sound systems in clubs are shitty. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrei [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:39 PM > To: activity@activaire > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] live is always great > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, activity@activaire wrote: > > > Electronic music always sounds better "live" > because it is closer to its > > original source. Each time a sounds is processed, > re-recorded, or dubbed, > it > > loses something. So even though the records are > produced well, the sounds > > coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. > > Huh ? You find that a laptop going through a shitty > and usually distorted > sound system (which is the case the majority of the > time) sounds more > "pure" then a mastered DAT or aiff/wav files > directly transfered to a CD > and played over a decent stereo system ? > > And I'm curious about what an aiff/wav file loses > when it's "processed, > re-recorded, or dubbed" since at least 2 of those > things will no doubt be > done digitally ? > > What the hell does "pure" mean anyway when you're > dealing with digitally > manipulated sound ? > > > Andrei > > >
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2001-04-09 23:11activity@activaireyes-exactly- the point is that it's a different time and place-it's a different sound. I p
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yes-exactly- the point is that it's a different time and place-it's a different sound. I personally think that shows sound better when they're coming straight off of someone's laptop- even when the soudns system is crappy. there are a million different factors that impact live performances. Downgraded, upgraded, it's just different. I issue of what is "pure" is really open- something can be a pure downgrade, or purely shitty, or purely crisp. A purely shitty sound can have millions of pure crisp sounds in it- personally I think IDM musicians need to work on their melodies. I love the complex beats, but not many melodies have progressed beyond the basic rave anthems...hah! -----Original Message----- From: booey chewy [mailto:booeyschewy@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:53 PM To: activity@activaire.com; Andrei Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] live is always great Plus some of the most IDM of the IDM albums are all based on this... Have you ever heard of lofi sampling??? You take a clean sound and downgrade it into a lower format. That is how nearly 90% of mid-era idm drums are made (autechre, aphex, funkstorung, squarepusher and so on) todd --- "activity@activaire" <activity@activaire.com> wrote:
quoted 55 lines You're hearing the original files- it sounds better-> You're hearing the original files- it sounds better- > Just because something > is digital doesn't mean all of it's content is > intact. There are several > different file formats- and you can argue this > untill your blue in the face, > so go ahead. > > And, not all sound systems in clubs are shitty. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrei [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:39 PM > To: activity@activaire > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] live is always great > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, activity@activaire wrote: > > > Electronic music always sounds better "live" > because it is closer to its > > original source. Each time a sounds is processed, > re-recorded, or dubbed, > it > > loses something. So even though the records are > produced well, the sounds > > coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. > > Huh ? You find that a laptop going through a shitty > and usually distorted > sound system (which is the case the majority of the > time) sounds more > "pure" then a mastered DAT or aiff/wav files > directly transfered to a CD > and played over a decent stereo system ? > > And I'm curious about what an aiff/wav file loses > when it's "processed, > re-recorded, or dubbed" since at least 2 of those > things will no doubt be > done digitally ? > > What the hell does "pure" mean anyway when you're > dealing with digitally > manipulated sound ? > > > Andrei > > >
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2001-04-09 19:51Chispas De MuerteI'm not sure about that.I know when I pout my rm1-x direct into a mixer and then to a PA t
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I'm not sure about that.I know when I pout my rm1-x direct into a mixer and then to a PA the signal is weak and lacks depth. But this roland dj-70 sampler I had sounded fine; I always run my sounds through some compression and loudness boosting before they go into a final mix. Also things sound totally different in headphones or monitors than on a pa and since I dont have a home pa setup... So I think live Pa stuff lends itself more to experimentation thanplaying songs. Thats probably why Autechre et al are so great live... --- "activity@activaire" <activity@activaire.com> wrote:
quoted 42 lines Electronic music always sounds better "live" because> Electronic music always sounds better "live" because > it is closer to its > original source. Each time a sounds is processed, > re-recorded, or dubbed, it > loses something. So even though the records are > produced well, the sounds > coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. > > This takes us to the root of electronic music, and > computers, and even our > daily work. Nothing is as simple as pressing a > button. > > Also-it's great to meet the musicians. I suppose > some shows have more energy > than others- Phonem is amazing live, as well as > Patcha Kutek. Fucking > awesome. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Axon [mailto:jeremya@objectools.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:22 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] What do you expect from IDM > musicians on stage? > > > >>Its important what comes out the speakers, not > what is on stage. > > > >then why go see them live? > > > hmm I don't know maybe some live improv, new and/or > unique material > and a chance to meet them. Does that answer your > question? > > > j-a- > >
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2001-04-09 22:09activity@activaireMachine Drum is great live, and so is Richard Devine. There is an art to live electronic p
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Machine Drum is great live, and so is Richard Devine. There is an art to live electronic performance- and it's not just about "looking busy" they're playing that shit live from the source- Music doesn't just occur out of thin air [or does it?;)] There's a high degree of organization- making sure that everything goes through as planned. Next time someone says that live electronic music is a pharce- tell them to immediately print and present whatever the fuck it is that they're working on. -----Original Message----- From: activity@activaire [mailto:activity@activaire.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:43 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] live is always great Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its original source. Each time a sounds is processed, re-recorded, or dubbed, it loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. This takes us to the root of electronic music, and computers, and even our daily work. Nothing is as simple as pressing a button. Also-it's great to meet the musicians. I suppose some shows have more energy than others- Phonem is amazing live, as well as Patcha Kutek. Fucking awesome. -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Axon [mailto:jeremya@objectools.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:22 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
quoted 3 lines Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > >then why go see them live?
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2001-04-09 22:13activity@activaireand let's not forget that when Autechre play- they like the room to be pitch black- becaus
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and let's not forget that when Autechre play- they like the room to be pitch black- because they say "there's nothing to see"- it sounds better live because it's closer to the source. Just close you eyes, and try to put the "Dance" back in IDM -----Original Message----- From: activity@activaire [mailto:activity@activaire.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:10 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] live is always great Machine Drum is great live, and so is Richard Devine. There is an art to live electronic performance- and it's not just about "looking busy" they're playing that shit live from the source- Music doesn't just occur out of thin air [or does it?;)] There's a high degree of organization- making sure that everything goes through as planned. Next time someone says that live electronic music is a pharce- tell them to immediately print and present whatever the fuck it is that they're working on. -----Original Message----- From: activity@activaire [mailto:activity@activaire.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:43 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] live is always great Electronic music always sounds better "live" because it is closer to its original source. Each time a sounds is processed, re-recorded, or dubbed, it loses something. So even though the records are produced well, the sounds coming directly from the lap-top are more pure. This takes us to the root of electronic music, and computers, and even our daily work. Nothing is as simple as pressing a button. Also-it's great to meet the musicians. I suppose some shows have more energy than others- Phonem is amazing live, as well as Patcha Kutek. Fucking awesome. -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Axon [mailto:jeremya@objectools.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:22 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
quoted 3 lines Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > >then why go see them live?
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2001-04-09 18:58interdit@yahoo.comDepends on the act, the crowd and occasion. For example Twerk, Kid 606 I got exactly what
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Depends on the act, the crowd and occasion. For example Twerk, Kid 606 I got exactly what I expected, geeky looking white guys with laptops. Coldcut, on the otherhand gave one of the most visually exciting shows I've ever seen, Orbital the same. Chemical Bros did that head bobbin "look at us, we're twisting knobs" bizness years ago, which is laughable now, I especially love when "big name" Djs do that knob twisting during snare rushes, who ya kidding boy? BUT that said Mike Paradinas has that natural headbobbing down and makesup for it with awesome twisted noise that you know he's making fresh on stage. It might be nice if they all had some visual sideshow or wore wigs, fake beards and jumpsuits or something. -i --- swamay <swamay@home.com> wrote:
quoted 17 lines What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage?> What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage? > I ask this because i hear people saying "all he/she does is just sit there > with a laptop! how boring!" or "the band was not there for the fans, they > were just up there making noise!" > > What, you want flaming skulls and a rotating drumset suspended over the > croud? :) I think anything more than twisting knobs and bobbing your head > to to the music you are making is pure "look at me im a star" BS. Unless you > are naturaly a jumpy show off. When i see a live electronic show, i am > interested in how they make thier music, and what gear they are using to > create it. Im not there to see a band jump up and down and look stupid. I > lose respect for anyone that is trying to "show off" on stage, and "create" > a false persona or "show" > > Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. > > What do you think?
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2001-04-09 19:08Jeremy Axon> >It might be >nice if they all had some visual sideshow or wore wigs, fake beards and >j
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quoted 5 lines It might be> >It might be >nice if they all had some visual sideshow or wore wigs, fake beards and >jumpsuits or something. >
Great idea just came to me.... DANCING BEARS!!! oh wait, no, its been done. j-a- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-09 18:58Lee Azzarelloon 4/9/01 11:12 AM, swamay at swamay@home.com wrote: > What do you expect a electronic mus
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on 4/9/01 11:12 AM, swamay at swamay@home.com wrote:
quoted 1 line What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage?> What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage?
I don't know about everyone else, but I got into this kind of music for the bitches, hos and money. I expect an IDM stage show to be filled with booty dancing and homiez taking 40oZ magnum's to the neck. On the serious tip, if you even have a chance to see Phthalocaynine or Kit Clayton live...that's a real electronic music picture show. -------------------- -l[e^2] *new { ^this.shouldNotImplement(thisMethod) } --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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quoted 7 lines on 4/9/01 11:12 AM, swamay at swamay@home.com wrote:> on 4/9/01 11:12 AM, swamay at swamay@home.com wrote: > > > What do you expect a electronic musician to do while on stage? > > I don't know about everyone else, but I got into this kind of music for the > bitches, hos and money. I expect an IDM stage show to be filled with booty > dancing and homiez taking 40oZ magnum's to the neck.
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2001-04-09 19:20ff gi dont think bobbing your head is necessarily showing off....i just get into it cause im p
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i dont think bobbing your head is necessarily showing off....i just get into it cause im playing it loud as fuck and it sounds dope...giving off some energy...no big deal... d www.mp3.com/dannn --- swamay <swamay@home.com> wrote:
quoted 93 lines What do you expect a electronic musician to do while> What do you expect a electronic musician to do while > on stage? > I ask this because i hear people saying "all he/she > does is just sit there > with a laptop! how boring!" or "the band was not > there for the fans, they > were just up there making noise!" > > What, you want flaming skulls and a rotating > drumset suspended over the > croud? :) I think anything more than twisting > knobs and bobbing your head > to to the music you are making is pure "look at me > im a star" BS. Unless you > are naturaly a jumpy show off. When i see a live > electronic show, i am > interested in how they make thier music, and what > gear they are using to > create it. Im not there to see a band jump up and > down and look stupid. I > lose respect for anyone that is trying to "show off" > on stage, and "create" > a false persona or "show" > > Its important what comes out the speakers, not what > is on stage. > > What do you think? > > > > ~swamay~ > www.swamay.com > www.mp3.com/swamay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev Simon Rumble" <simon@rumble.net> > To: "Iain Forfar" <Iainf@ukgateway.net> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties > > > > I concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. > Boards of Canada > > brilliant. Broadcast were great. Def Jux Posse > were great and seemed > > quite out of place since they were entertaining > the crowd, not jerking > > off musically. > > > > This brings me to my gripe with the weekend. Most > of the bands didn't > > seem to be there for their "fans" but were instead > just up there > > making noise. Major culprits: Authechre, > Television, Stereolab and > > Tortoise DJs (playing Whitney Houston may be > tres-ironic but I heard > > the same track three times over the weekend > bringing it to five times > > in the last week or so). > > > > These bands and DJs need to remember they're > entertainers. An hour of > > wanking on stage isn't very exciting, although the > turtleneck crowd > > seemed to be into it. > > > > Organisation was a bit lacking. 100 quid tickets > and no way to get > > from the train station to the festival except a > once-per-hour bus (the > > normal town bus) or one of the six taxis in town? > Our "four berth > > chalet" ended up being four beds of six people in > the room meaning we > > were meant to share with two strangers, until we > kicked up a stink. > > > > -- > > Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: > London, UK > > simon@rumble.net > > http://www.rumble.net > > > > Prejudice: > > A vagrant opinion without visible means of > support. > > -- Ambrose Bierce > > > > >
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2001-04-10 00:30nobo jackson>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage. >then why go see them l
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quoted 1 line Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.>>Its important what comes out the speakers, not what is on stage.
quoted 1 line then why go see them live?>then why go see them live?
to find new hip fashions from all the idm scenesters, of course!!! i mean, without the idm scene, i would never found out about asics cross trainers, the resurgence of plaid fabrics, and the myriad of ways to tie off a RedHat Linux shirt at the waist. so, for all this... and also for the fine bitches. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org