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2000-11-02 14:41Adam Piontek [idm] what is idm? where's it going?
2000-11-02 15:20Ben Hatchelt Re: [idm] what is idm? where's it going?
2000-11-02 15:48Jovita and Simon Re: [idm] what is idm? where's it going?
2000-11-03 04:52Armchair Charlie [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
2000-11-03 16:48Ross Balmer Re: [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
2000-11-03 18:22Matthew Korfhage [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
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2000-11-04 00:41Jacob Arnold [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
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2000-11-05 16:26Jacob Arnold [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
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2000-11-02 14:41Adam PiontekI'm just writing this because I've been thinking about it for quite some time and I wonder
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I'm just writing this because I've been thinking about it for quite some time and I wonder what other people would have to say. I know this has been discussed countless times before, but I feel that perhaps I have some new thoughts to add, at least to those who might not have thought about it before... I know everyone has different views on what exactly "IDM" is or isn't. I am operating here under the opinion that this list is not about IDM; rather, IDM is about this list. IDM is defined by the interests and likes of the people on this list. That's why there are so many artists are capable of being called IDM. An person like the ever-popular RDJ can make all sorts of different types of music with his electronic means, and they're all pretty much considered IDM (ok, some people might disagree there, but...) Actually, I think IDM has nothing to do with types of music; rather it was a reactionary movement, if you will, by a group of people who found various styles of techno around the very early '90s to be getting pretty boring. These people moved towards using the same means to create more interesting (intelligent) music. Coming from dance culture, it was supposed to be "more intelligent dance" ... hence IDM. I'm not an old-timer so maybe my perception of the whole thing is skewed, but basically, I think IDM is therefore not a genre, but rather more of a philosophy of sorts - music made with turntables/electronics/computers/etc. doesn't have to be boring; let's do something interesting with it. Of course, people have been doing this for a very long time; IDM has more to do with a specific generation and class of people, those who founded this list, and those like them, back around the time this list was founded. So while some people might say "only that new crunchy, glitchy sound is *real* IDM," and others might say, "real IDM sounds like autechre," and still others might say, "it has to be caustic and have a melody," they're all right and they're all wrong. *nothing* is IDM. The people on this list are IDM. We are all part of the "intelligent dance *movement*", and it has little to do with dance or intelligence anymore. Which brings me to my next question: where is IDM going? where are we all going? Over time, people leave the list, and new ones join. Over time, there have been many diverse types of "IDM." Fingernail and Cylob sound very different from Kid 606 and Richard Devine. There are often overlappings. There are often anomalies where two people who both really like one artist disagree completely about another. Why? Because they are hearing different things that the artists are doing that they like. If I say I like Richard Devine's EP, someone else might say, "oh, you have to hear all the other schematic stuff - you'll like that too!" But I have heard it, and I don't like it as much; it doesn't suit my tastes. IDM is a movement, a collective mass of people with similar interests in music. We are all still different and have different tastes. One thing that we often complain about (some of us anyway) is "elitism." I believe the elitism has nothing to do with IDM - all humans are elitist. It simply is that ever-present feeling that what you have or like is probably better than what other people have or like. Country music fans are no less likely to be elitist about their music. It's a human trait, not an IDM trait. We all have to start recognizing that everyone on this list does *not* necessarily like "crunchy beats." Everyone does not necessarily *dislike* trance. We are all here for different reasons; the one thing we all share is an interest in music. Music does not progress. There is no such thing is "moving ahead" in music. No matter the genre, no matter the style, the only things you can ever measure are skill and taste. Over time, a saxophone player will likely become better at what he does, but he may still play the same style. His skill becomes better, but the music doesn't have to change. The same goes for people like Autechre - their control over sound; their skill with their "instruments," becomes better over time, but their style doesn't *have* to change, although they may choose to do so. Such changes in style are not a progression, at least not int he anthropomorphized sense of things becoming better and old things being "out of date." Autechre's Incunabula is no more "behind the times" than Miles Davis' Kind of Blue album. It's just one stage in their career. One style may be copied by many different artists, while the originators move on, but moving on simply means "to different things," not "to better, more important things." New does not necessarily mean better. Progression does not exist; it is an illusion. The truth is simply that music expands; new styles and techniqes are always being added. At the same time, a listener's experience and ability to appreciate expands as well. IDM is our social group's name for whatever we feel fits the ideals of whatever it is we think we're about. Since everyone here has different ideas about what the philosophy of IDM is supposed to be, we often have clashes of opinion. I, for example, think that Future Sound Of London would be fair game for discussion, while others might think they're just a wanky techno/ambient group from the mid-90's. What do you think IDM is? How do you define it so that a random artist picked off the shelf of a record store can easily be categorized as IDM or Not-IDM? I don't think you can. Some people have complained on this list about "wanky indie-bands playing with samplers and thinking they're IDM." Why not? What's wrong with someone else using samplers and computers and whatever? The whole idea of IDM, I always thought, was to push music open - to open minds and destroy boundaries. In the end, there is no such thing as an IDM artist. There are rock musicians using computers and samplers and etc. to make music. I would say most dance artists fit in this category. I especially think Aphex is more of a IDM-ized rock artist than an IDM artist. There are composers doing the same thing to make new compositions - the john cages and philip glasses of the newer generations - autechre I would place in this category. There is IDM-ized disco, IDM-ized funk, IDM-ized soul, IDM-ized punk (kid-606 anyone?), IDM-ized rap, IDM-ized indie-rock, etc. etc. IDM is a movement. Not a genre. It is revitalizing music, and has been for the past 10 years. It is not itself a genre, cut off from all others. It is simply about doing new things with the new options, as opposed to doing more of the same with the same old instruments. That's what I think, anyway. I hope I made some sense. What do you all think? Is IDM a movement, encompassing all musical styles, or is it a genre - if a genre, how would you define "IDM-ish music?" Or is IDM simply a the name of discussion list and nothing more than that? -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... Foul water will quench fire. -- English Proverb (16th century) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-02 15:20Ben HatcheltThe future of all music is free home-made music. Bosh. ===== --- http://www.peoplesound.co
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2000-11-02 15:48Jovita and SimonI remember being in severely in love with an album by a band called Code called Great Citi
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I remember being in severely in love with an album by a band called Code called Great Cities. Then they just disappeared off the planet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Piontek <damek@earthling.net> To: idm-list <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:41 AM Subject: [idm] what is idm? where's it going?
quoted 144 lines I'm just writing this because I've been thinking about it for quite> I'm just writing this because I've been thinking about it for quite > some time and I wonder what other people would have to say. I know > this has been discussed countless times before, but I feel that > perhaps I have some new thoughts to add, at least to those who might > not have thought about it before... > > I know everyone has different views on what exactly "IDM" is or > isn't. I am operating here under the opinion that this list is not > about IDM; rather, IDM is about this list. IDM is defined by the > interests and likes of the people on this list. That's why there are > so many artists are capable of being called IDM. An person like the > ever-popular RDJ can make all sorts of different types of music with > his electronic means, and they're all pretty much considered IDM (ok, > some people might disagree there, but...) > > Actually, I think IDM has nothing to do with types of music; rather > it was a reactionary movement, if you will, by a group of people who > found various styles of techno around the very early '90s to be > getting pretty boring. These people moved towards using the same > means to create more interesting (intelligent) music. Coming from > dance culture, it was supposed to be "more intelligent dance" ... > hence IDM. > > I'm not an old-timer so maybe my perception of the whole thing is > skewed, but basically, I think IDM is therefore not a genre, but > rather more of a philosophy of sorts - music made with > turntables/electronics/computers/etc. doesn't have to be boring; > let's do something interesting with it. Of course, people have been > doing this for a very long time; IDM has more to do with a specific > generation and class of people, those who founded this list, and > those like them, back around the time this list was founded. > > So while some people might say "only that new crunchy, glitchy sound > is *real* IDM," and others might say, "real IDM sounds like > autechre," and still others might say, "it has to be caustic and have > a melody," they're all right and they're all wrong. *nothing* is > IDM. The people on this list are IDM. We are all part of the > "intelligent dance *movement*", and it has little to do with dance or > intelligence anymore. > > Which brings me to my next question: where is IDM going? where are > we all going? Over time, people leave the list, and new ones join. > Over time, there have been many diverse types of "IDM." Fingernail > and Cylob sound very different from Kid 606 and Richard Devine. > There are often overlappings. There are often anomalies where two > people who both really like one artist disagree completely about > another. Why? Because they are hearing different things that the > artists are doing that they like. > > If I say I like Richard Devine's EP, someone else might say, "oh, you > have to hear all the other schematic stuff - you'll like that too!" > But I have heard it, and I don't like it as much; it doesn't suit my > tastes. > > IDM is a movement, a collective mass of people with similar interests > in music. We are all still different and have different tastes. One > thing that we often complain about (some of us anyway) is "elitism." > I believe the elitism has nothing to do with IDM - all humans are > elitist. It simply is that ever-present feeling that what you have > or like is probably better than what other people have or like. > Country music fans are no less likely to be elitist about their > music. It's a human trait, not an IDM trait. > > We all have to start recognizing that everyone on this list does > *not* necessarily like "crunchy beats." Everyone does not > necessarily *dislike* trance. We are all here for different reasons; > the one thing we all share is an interest in music. > > Music does not progress. There is no such thing is "moving ahead" in > music. No matter the genre, no matter the style, the only things you > can ever measure are skill and taste. Over time, a saxophone player > will likely become better at what he does, but he may still play the > same style. His skill becomes better, but the music doesn't have to > change. The same goes for people like Autechre - their control over > sound; their skill with their "instruments," becomes better over > time, but their style doesn't *have* to change, although they may > choose to do so. > > Such changes in style are not a progression, at least not int he > anthropomorphized sense of things becoming better and old things > being "out of date." Autechre's Incunabula is no more "behind the > times" than Miles Davis' Kind of Blue album. It's just one stage in > their career. > > One style may be copied by many different artists, while the > originators move on, but moving on simply means "to different > things," not "to better, more important things." New does not > necessarily mean better. Progression does not exist; it is an > illusion. > > The truth is simply that music expands; new styles and techniqes are > always being added. At the same time, a listener's experience and > ability to appreciate expands as well. > > IDM is our social group's name for whatever we feel fits the ideals > of whatever it is we think we're about. Since everyone here has > different ideas about what the philosophy of IDM is supposed to be, > we often have clashes of opinion. I, for example, think that Future > Sound Of London would be fair game for discussion, while others might > think they're just a wanky techno/ambient group from the mid-90's. > > What do you think IDM is? How do you define it so that a random > artist picked off the shelf of a record store can easily be > categorized as IDM or Not-IDM? I don't think you can. Some people > have complained on this list about "wanky indie-bands playing with > samplers and thinking they're IDM." Why not? What's wrong with > someone else using samplers and computers and whatever? > > The whole idea of IDM, I always thought, was to push music open - to > open minds and destroy boundaries. > > In the end, there is no such thing as an IDM artist. There are rock > musicians using computers and samplers and etc. to make music. I > would say most dance artists fit in this category. I especially > think Aphex is more of a IDM-ized rock artist than an IDM artist. > There are composers doing the same thing to make new compositions - > the john cages and philip glasses of the newer generations - autechre > I would place in this category. There is IDM-ized disco, IDM-ized > funk, IDM-ized soul, IDM-ized punk (kid-606 anyone?), IDM-ized rap, > IDM-ized indie-rock, etc. etc. > > IDM is a movement. Not a genre. It is revitalizing music, and has > been for the past 10 years. It is not itself a genre, cut off from > all others. It is simply about doing new things with the new > options, as opposed to doing more of the same with the same old > instruments. > > That's what I think, anyway. I hope I made some sense. What do you > all think? Is IDM a movement, encompassing all musical styles, or is > it a genre - if a genre, how would you define "IDM-ish music?" Or is > IDM simply a the name of discussion list and nothing more than that? > -adam > > -- > Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] > ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] > ... Foul water will quench fire. -- English Proverb (16th century) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-03 04:52Armchair Charliei think you may be denying a little too much when you say that idm is not a genre of music
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i think you may be denying a little too much when you say that idm is not a genre of music. certain characteristics of this music make it what it is. these characteristics are identifiable. if you play me an idm song that i haven't heard before, i feel confident that i could distinguish it as such. sure, it doesn't all sound alike, but most every type of music is made confusing with a plethora of subgenres. you mentioned the three infamous letters "idm" probably several dozen times in your essay. you did question the letters, thankfully. i'll agree with you wholly that intelligent dance music has little to do with intelligence or dancing. idm is in fact not idm. i don't understand why this music didn't stick with the title "electronic listening music" printed right on the damn cover of the first of this culture's defining moments, the artificial intelligence compilation. this title is again vague, and corrupt, but it's not too flattering for it's own good. too bad. btw, i understand that americans tend to refer to this music as idm more so than people elsewhere. what is it refered to outside of the states? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-03 16:48Ross Balmer----- Original Message ----- From: "Armchair Charlie" <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> To: <dam
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Armchair Charlie" <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> To: <damek@earthling.net> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:52 AM Subject: [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
quoted 2 lines btw, i understand that americans tend to refer to this music as idm more> btw, i understand that americans tend to refer to this music as idm more > so than people elsewhere, what is it refered to outside of the states?
I have noticed a trend around here to refer to it simply as electronica. I know that this is supposed to be a blanket term for all forms of electronic music but I think it comes from the way many record shops classify their music. Techno goes in the techno section, drum and bass goes in the drum and bass section etc etc. Everything that doesn't fit into the normal categories often seems to go under electronica. Actually, as a word, I quite like it. I always did but then my first encounter with the word was from the New Electronica label, not as some sort of awful marketing-speak. That kind of confused me for a short while when the term went into common use, I only wish that it really had been some sort of soulful detroity techno revival. Anyway, I absolutely loathe the term IDM. What's that supposed to mean? Intelligent Dance Music as Opposed to Stupid Dance Music? Oh yes, that must be trrrance! Now I understand... Ross. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-03 18:22Matthew Korfhage"Armchair Charlie" <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> wrote: >idm is in fact not idm. i don't und
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"Armchair Charlie" <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 7 lines idm is in fact not idm. i don't understand why this music didn't >stick>idm is in fact not idm. i don't understand why this music didn't >stick >with the title "electronic listening music" printed right on >the damn >cover of the first of this culture's defining moments, the >artificial intelligence compilation. this title is again vague, and >corrupt, but it's not too flattering for it's own good. too bad. >btw, i >understand that americans tend to refer to this music as idm >more so than >people elsewhere. what is it refered to outside of the >states?
I can't speak for outside the states, but when I bother to mention the idm moniker at all, I've been deliberately spreading the misinformation that it means 'indie digital music'. Usually, though, I just use the handy word 'electronic' and then differentiate it further only if it seems like it might do some good. About the same thing as when I used to listen exclusively to nests of vaguely obscure indie bands, and just told people I listened to rock 'n' roll. I can't look someone in the eye and tell them that I listen to 'intelligent' music. What, this? This is braindance. It makes your head better. Cheers, out. Matthew ----- Made with affection by distrustful lovers. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-03 18:27Ross Balmer----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@tc.umn.edu> To: <ross@tuimedia.co
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----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@tc.umn.edu> To: <ross@tuimedia.co.uk> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
quoted 6 lines hey ross, could you forward this to the list? i'm getting it bounced back> hey ross, could you forward this to the list? i'm getting it bounced back > from this account :) > > > > btw, i understand that americans tend to refer to this music as idm > > > more > > > so than people elsewhere, what is it refered to outside of the
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quoted 14 lines I have noticed a trend around here to refer to it simply as electronica.> > > > I have noticed a trend around here to refer to it simply as electronica. > > I > > know that this is supposed to be a blanket term for all forms of > > electronic > > music but I think it comes from the way many record shops classify their > > music. Techno goes in the techno section, drum and bass goes in the drum > > and > > bass section etc etc. Everything that doesn't fit into the normal > > categories > > often seems to go under electronica. > > that term has not caught on here, mainly because electronica was used in > the twin cities here to refer to fatboy slim, crystal method, and the
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quoted 22 lines and also with soft, trancy techno (although trance is labelled trance). i> and also with soft, trancy techno (although trance is labelled trance). i > tend to refer to "this music" as idm to my friends who are familiar with > what i'm talking about, but i never refer to it as "idm" to people who > don't know what type of music i'm talking about. > > it's a nice reference for people in the know. the problem comes with > explaining to people what you're talking about. i've resorted to using > "avant garde electronic", which hits the electronic, but also shows how > it's quite different from the "normal" forms of electronic (aka trance and > dance) > > > Anyway, I absolutely loathe the term IDM. What's that supposed to mean? > > Intelligent Dance Music as Opposed to Stupid Dance Music? Oh yes, that > > must > > be trrrance! Now I understand... > > actually, yeah. at the time, most people thought of dance music as > mindless and simple. in fact, most people still do, which is why a lot of > people say "i hate techno", referring to anything that beeps. the term > intelligent came around because at the time, much of the "idm" was a > variation of house, and was very danceable, although it also had elements > that made people want to listen to it, instead of *just* shake their
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quoted 8 lines So they labelled it "intelligent", and there just hasn't really been a> So they labelled it "intelligent", and there just hasn't really been a > better name that's stuck to the "everything else" genre of electronic > music. > > cheers, > /derek > >
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2000-11-04 00:41Jacob ArnoldI think it's important to remember that the term "IDM" was coined with the creation of thi
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I think it's important to remember that the term "IDM" was coined with the creation of this mailing list. The term wouldn't exist at all without the list, and its spread is proof that the list is quite influential. Perhaps this fact should be more prominently displayed on the IDM homepage. As for "electronica," I'm wary of it. It's a word record companies invented a couple of years ago because "techno" had such a bad connotation. Remember that Juan Atkins, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson coined "techno." Using the term pays homage to the originators. Just my 2 cents. Jacob -- http://www.gridface.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-04 04:30Greg ClowAt 07:41 PM 03/11/00, Jacob Arnold wrote: >As for "electronica," I'm wary of it. It's a wo
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quoted 2 lines As for "electronica," I'm wary of it. It's a word record companies>As for "electronica," I'm wary of it. It's a word record companies >invented a couple of years ago because "techno" had such a bad connotation.
"Electronica" was a term used in the UK in the early 90s to refer to stuff like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Black Dog, Ultramarine, Global Communication - basically, the stuff that we now consider "IDM". It was later borrowed by the US major labels and mainstream media as a catch-all phrase for any sort of electronic music, but it wasn't invented by them. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-05 16:26Jacob ArnoldAt 2:11 PM +0000 11/5/00, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote: >thats news to me! the term
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At 2:11 PM +0000 11/5/00, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:
quoted 4 lines thats news to me! the term IDM has been about in england for years, i =>thats news to me! the term IDM has been about in england for years, i = >always thought it was because of warps artificial intelligence series.it = >was a term everyone was using after the 2nd serie. >before that,the catchphrase was electronica.
Well, here's what the IDM site says: "The Intelligent Dance Music mailing list was set up in August of 1993 by Brian Behlendorf and Alan Parry as a platform for the discussion of a wave of what was termed "Intelligent Techno" originating mainly from the UK." I believe Artificial Intelligence 2 came out in 1994. So I guess the phrase "intelligent techno" was around, but I'm pretty sure "IDM" was coined by the list--can anyone back me up on this? Greg, thanks for correcting me on "electronica." I wasn't aware of its earlier use. Regards, Jacob -- http://www.gridface.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-05 19:08Dave WalkerThe term IDM was coined, if my faulty memory serves me right, during the discussions that
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Re: [idm] Re: what is idm? where's it going?
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The term IDM was coined, if my faulty memory serves me right, during the discussions that preceded the list creation (on the alt.rave newsgroup, I think.) Maybe some of my fellow fossils can remember more of the details. Anyway, it's one of the things we'll have to answer for in the Final Judgment. -d.w. "Yeah, gimme the one with extra onions." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org