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From:
Adam Piontek
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Date:
Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:41:29 -0600
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[idm] what is idm? where's it going?
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I'm just writing this because I've been thinking about it for quite some time and I wonder what other people would have to say. I know this has been discussed countless times before, but I feel that perhaps I have some new thoughts to add, at least to those who might not have thought about it before... I know everyone has different views on what exactly "IDM" is or isn't. I am operating here under the opinion that this list is not about IDM; rather, IDM is about this list. IDM is defined by the interests and likes of the people on this list. That's why there are so many artists are capable of being called IDM. An person like the ever-popular RDJ can make all sorts of different types of music with his electronic means, and they're all pretty much considered IDM (ok, some people might disagree there, but...) Actually, I think IDM has nothing to do with types of music; rather it was a reactionary movement, if you will, by a group of people who found various styles of techno around the very early '90s to be getting pretty boring. These people moved towards using the same means to create more interesting (intelligent) music. Coming from dance culture, it was supposed to be "more intelligent dance" ... hence IDM. I'm not an old-timer so maybe my perception of the whole thing is skewed, but basically, I think IDM is therefore not a genre, but rather more of a philosophy of sorts - music made with turntables/electronics/computers/etc. doesn't have to be boring; let's do something interesting with it. Of course, people have been doing this for a very long time; IDM has more to do with a specific generation and class of people, those who founded this list, and those like them, back around the time this list was founded. So while some people might say "only that new crunchy, glitchy sound is *real* IDM," and others might say, "real IDM sounds like autechre," and still others might say, "it has to be caustic and have a melody," they're all right and they're all wrong. *nothing* is IDM. The people on this list are IDM. We are all part of the "intelligent dance *movement*", and it has little to do with dance or intelligence anymore. Which brings me to my next question: where is IDM going? where are we all going? Over time, people leave the list, and new ones join. Over time, there have been many diverse types of "IDM." Fingernail and Cylob sound very different from Kid 606 and Richard Devine. There are often overlappings. There are often anomalies where two people who both really like one artist disagree completely about another. Why? Because they are hearing different things that the artists are doing that they like. If I say I like Richard Devine's EP, someone else might say, "oh, you have to hear all the other schematic stuff - you'll like that too!" But I have heard it, and I don't like it as much; it doesn't suit my tastes. IDM is a movement, a collective mass of people with similar interests in music. We are all still different and have different tastes. One thing that we often complain about (some of us anyway) is "elitism." I believe the elitism has nothing to do with IDM - all humans are elitist. It simply is that ever-present feeling that what you have or like is probably better than what other people have or like. Country music fans are no less likely to be elitist about their music. It's a human trait, not an IDM trait. We all have to start recognizing that everyone on this list does *not* necessarily like "crunchy beats." Everyone does not necessarily *dislike* trance. We are all here for different reasons; the one thing we all share is an interest in music. Music does not progress. There is no such thing is "moving ahead" in music. No matter the genre, no matter the style, the only things you can ever measure are skill and taste. Over time, a saxophone player will likely become better at what he does, but he may still play the same style. His skill becomes better, but the music doesn't have to change. The same goes for people like Autechre - their control over sound; their skill with their "instruments," becomes better over time, but their style doesn't *have* to change, although they may choose to do so. Such changes in style are not a progression, at least not int he anthropomorphized sense of things becoming better and old things being "out of date." Autechre's Incunabula is no more "behind the times" than Miles Davis' Kind of Blue album. It's just one stage in their career. One style may be copied by many different artists, while the originators move on, but moving on simply means "to different things," not "to better, more important things." New does not necessarily mean better. Progression does not exist; it is an illusion. The truth is simply that music expands; new styles and techniqes are always being added. At the same time, a listener's experience and ability to appreciate expands as well. IDM is our social group's name for whatever we feel fits the ideals of whatever it is we think we're about. Since everyone here has different ideas about what the philosophy of IDM is supposed to be, we often have clashes of opinion. I, for example, think that Future Sound Of London would be fair game for discussion, while others might think they're just a wanky techno/ambient group from the mid-90's. What do you think IDM is? How do you define it so that a random artist picked off the shelf of a record store can easily be categorized as IDM or Not-IDM? I don't think you can. Some people have complained on this list about "wanky indie-bands playing with samplers and thinking they're IDM." Why not? What's wrong with someone else using samplers and computers and whatever? The whole idea of IDM, I always thought, was to push music open - to open minds and destroy boundaries. In the end, there is no such thing as an IDM artist. There are rock musicians using computers and samplers and etc. to make music. I would say most dance artists fit in this category. I especially think Aphex is more of a IDM-ized rock artist than an IDM artist. There are composers doing the same thing to make new compositions - the john cages and philip glasses of the newer generations - autechre I would place in this category. There is IDM-ized disco, IDM-ized funk, IDM-ized soul, IDM-ized punk (kid-606 anyone?), IDM-ized rap, IDM-ized indie-rock, etc. etc. IDM is a movement. Not a genre. It is revitalizing music, and has been for the past 10 years. It is not itself a genre, cut off from all others. It is simply about doing new things with the new options, as opposed to doing more of the same with the same old instruments. That's what I think, anyway. I hope I made some sense. What do you all think? Is IDM a movement, encompassing all musical styles, or is it a genre - if a genre, how would you define "IDM-ish music?" Or is IDM simply a the name of discussion list and nothing more than that? -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... Foul water will quench fire. -- English Proverb (16th century) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org