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quoted 4 lines Personally, I have invested a nice chunk of cash in their music. As an

> Personally, I have invested a nice chunk of cash in their music. As an > artist, if I heard that an individual had travelled 500 miles to spend > money on a picture I'd made, I would take that as a huge compliment. I > would be humbled beyond belief to discover that masses of people had

done

quoted 1 line the same...Yet here is Autechre being offended that people like what

> the same...Yet here is Autechre being offended that people like what

they

quoted 2 lines do...

> do... > If you'd like to put those MP3s back on the web, mail them to me and

I'll

quoted 3 lines post them on a dummy I.P. If Warp has the money to waste trying to find

> post them on a dummy I.P. If Warp has the money to waste trying to find > out who to sue, let them waste it. > Ethically I should sell all my Autechre CDs and let them collect dust

in

quoted 1 line the used bin. Those jerks don't seem to realize what it takes to be a

> the used bin. Those jerks don't seem to realize what it takes to be a

fan... hate to keep this thread alive, but it surprises me that this is the only guy here speaking up for the "punk" ethic, save maybe Jon Drukman. CDs can cost less than $.80 a piece to produce. Even with the additional costs of art production, (films, printing, whatever) paying the artists/photographers involved in the art production, mastering and all, there is no way in hell these CDs we're buying cost more than 5$. Production prices for CDs have dropped nicely over the last five years. So why do prices go up? in addition to my devotion to the music of IDM, i'm in a "punk rock" band and i've been involved in the making of a couple of records and I help run a show-to-show distro in my town. In the very often stupid world of punk rock one thing is very constant: greed is not tolerated, at least among serious fans and musicians. I sell good records and CDs for 8 and 10 dollars on average. Even crappy musicians or people with retarded militant beliefs are united by this kind of ethic. I put out a 12" at the beginning of last year and was able to sell it for 3$/4.50ppd$, and I don't have any contacts or buisness relationships with the plants i worked with. However in IDM we'll pay $20 for a record that is in no way different in production than your average rock record. If anything it should be cheaper, seeing as most IDM artists record their stuff in home studios or at record label studios, while my own band has spent upwards of 500$ and 10 hours in a studio recording and mixing. and what the hell does Rephlex think they're doing with this price hike they've pulled out of their ass? They're not even trying to justify it, as far as I've seen. Even IDM seemingly "DIY" labels like Skam and Music Aus Strom charge the "standard" 10$-12$ for 12", 16-20$ for CDs. What the hell? I talked to PJ at Modern Music about this and he brought up and interesting and unfortunate aspect of this problem: say I was to start a label and charge 6$ppd for my LPs. He could still charge 12$ for them at his store because that's what the market will pay. I think there needs to be more awareness about just how absurd these CD prices are. I'm not saying the MP3 site was justified, but I think if Warp is going to institute a "no tolerance" policy on MP3s of their artists, we should ask them why the hell we're paying 400%+ the cost of production for these records. alright. let me have it. rjck/cardhore@juno/q:crwth _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Rjyan C Kidwell wrote:

quoted 2 lines hate to keep this thread alive, but it surprises me that this is the only

> hate to keep this thread alive, but it surprises me that this is the only > guy here speaking up for the "punk" ethic, save maybe Jon Drukman.

hi there!

quoted 6 lines CDs can cost less than $.80 a piece to produce. Even with the additional

> CDs can cost less than $.80 a piece to produce. Even with the additional > costs of art production, (films, printing, whatever) paying the > artists/photographers involved in the art production, mastering and all, > there is no way in hell these CDs we're buying cost more than 5$. > Production prices for CDs have dropped nicely over the last five years. > So why do prices go up?

the "i can't afford it" argument is the WORST argument for pirating music. you might as well advocating stealing cars since they cost a lot.

quoted 7 lines Even IDM seemingly "DIY" labels like Skam and Music Aus Strom charge the

> Even IDM seemingly "DIY" labels like Skam and Music Aus Strom charge the > "standard" 10$-12$ for 12", 16-20$ for CDs. What the hell? I talked to > PJ at Modern Music about this and he brought up and interesting and > unfortunate aspect of this problem: say I was to start a label and charge > 6$ppd for my LPs. He could still charge 12$ for them at his store > because that's what the market will pay. I think there needs to be more > awareness about just how absurd these CD prices are.

for imports it's just the mechanics of getting them to your house... it costs a lot and there are many people along the way who want to get paid for their time. that's why i think distributing music over the net has a great future. eliminate those greedy middlemen. someday some clever person will figure out how to make it worthwhile. unfortunately i fear it will be a major label exec who wants a pay-for-play thing like the up-and-coming techno-horror that is divx. not directly related but entertaining thoughts about copyright: http://www.negativland.com/intprop.html relevant quote: home taping is killing the music industry. keep up the good work! -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.

quoted 3 lines the "i can't afford it" argument is the WORST argument for pirating

> the "i can't afford it" argument is the WORST argument for pirating > music. you might as well advocating stealing cars since they cost a > lot.

this is NOT the "i can't afford it" arguement, and I am not suggesting that Mp3 sites are justified by record companies massive price hikes. i am saying if the record companies are going to rain on our parade of Mp3s, why should we stay silent on the issue of ridiculous prices?

quoted 2 lines for imports it's just the mechanics of getting them to your house... it

> for imports it's just the mechanics of getting them to your house... it > costs a lot and there are many people along the way who want to get

paid

quoted 5 lines for their time. that's why i think distributing music over the net has

> for their time. that's why i think distributing music over the net has > a great future. eliminate those greedy middlemen. someday some clever > person will figure out how to make it worthwhile. unfortunately i fear > it will be a major label exec who wants a pay-for-play thing like the > up-and-coming techno-horror that is divx.

it's not "just the mechanics," it's PROFIT. Mechanics cannot raise the price of a CD ten dollars, i refuse to believe that. rjck/cardhore@juno/cex _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

quoted 6 lines raw cost of disc + artwork is $3

> raw cost of disc + artwork is $3 > band or label sells it to distributor for $6 > distributor sells it to store for $10 > store sells it to you for $16-$20 > > why is that so hard to grasp?

That part of it isn't. (And actually, it is possible to get CD + Art for around 1.20, and thats just for 1000 cds) If the band or label sells it for 6 bux, then why do they still sell it to consumers (via direct order) for 16-20? There's no real shame in admitting the artists are in it partly for the money. It doesn't minimize the art of it, if there is an art in it to begin with. It goes back to the saying...'If it's worth doing...it's worth doing for money" If I do a thing and I feel that it is a worthwhile thing and that my time is something that should be compensated, of course I would like to have a little more to show than spiritual reward (or rather the adoration of the people who like the way I do the thing). Jason ----------------------------------------------- This has been a message from : Brother Alphabet jah10@ra.msstate.edu / www2.msstate.edu/~jah10/

On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 02:36:21PM -0500, jah10@Ra.MsState.Edu wrote:

quoted 7 lines raw cost of disc + artwork is $3

>> raw cost of disc + artwork is $3 >> band or label sells it to distributor for $6 >> distributor sells it to store for $10 >> store sells it to you for $16-$20 > > If the band or label sells it for 6 bux, then why do they still sell it > to consumers (via direct order) for 16-20?

Because if they significantly undercut the distributors and stores with their direct sales the distributors and stores will stop carrying their stuff. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists