i feel kind of funny being accused of not being outraged on social causes having dedicated my compilation appearance royalties to charitable organizations (and a couple of releases) along with helping organize a 100% for charity compilation in the past few months alone.
in general the people on this list are about as woke as people can be, not to mention it’s the total wrong avenue to be picking a fight on social issues. if you wanna affect things, bloody do something instead of trying to write fancy words on the fucking idm list.
quoted 74 lines On 26 Mar 2018, at 00:15, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2018, at 00:15, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
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> If someone is told how they should think/say/feel about a subject, even if they agree, they will likely address the fact that they’re being told how they should think/say/feel about the subject long before addressing the actual subject itself. I’m surprised that you’re surprised that you told a bunch of independent-minded muscians/music lovers how they should feel, and you got a negative reaction, even if they do agree with your sentiment. We don’t like to be told what to think/say/feel. You know this though :)
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> Beatwife has the right to have whatever name he wants. Freedom of speech before all else. And you have the freedom to voice your opinion about how you feel about his name, but making declarative statements about how other people should react smells a bit funny, and will likely give you the same reaction every time. It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.
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> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:23 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> also very curious about that.
> what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon?
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> From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com <mailto:leeswagerty@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM
> To: nat hawks
> Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List
> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
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> This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile.
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> If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha.
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> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny?
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> This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start.
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> I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach.
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> From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com <mailto:hietala@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM
> To: nat hawks
> Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List
> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
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> fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me
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>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Agreed. Total slippery slope.
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>> But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed.
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>> I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now.
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>> My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O
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>>> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.
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