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1. anyone heard the new orbital full-length? worth it? comments? 2. new squarepusher single (i think) is fantastic. anyone heard the new album go plastic? 3. also, while i'm here, how about the slag boon van loon remixes? love the album. oh yeah and lastly, neu is about to be reissued. what do they sound like? all i know them from is the wire and a small sample system 7 used some years ago. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines 2. new squarepusher single (i think) is fantastic. anyone heard the new

>2. new squarepusher single (i think) is fantastic. anyone heard the new >album go plastic?

the album is really good. very spastic and groovy. can't wait to buy it.

quoted 2 lines 3. also, while i'm here, how about the slag boon van loon remixes? love the

>3. also, while i'm here, how about the slag boon van loon remixes? love the >album.

definitely a favorite around here for some time to come. the tipper mix is tops...

quoted 3 lines oh yeah and lastly,

>oh yeah and lastly, >neu is about to be reissued. what do they sound like? all i know them from >is the wire and a small sample system 7 used some years ago.

does anyone besides myself find it odd that astralwerks is issuing krautrock reissues??? i mean, i think it is a great idea. fantastic, but very strange. i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find neu! to be highly overrated. especially their 'experimental electronic' stuff which is complete rubbish. but the first album and half of the second are good krautrock, not nearly the best though. and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but... if you like stereolab, you would probably like neu!. especially since stereolab basically nicked neu!'s sound and updated it a bit. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, omz wrote:

quoted 4 lines i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find

> i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find > neu! to be highly overrated. especially their 'experimental > electronic' stuff which is complete rubbish. but the first album and > half of the second are good krautrock, not nearly the best though.

I don't really understand this- to say that Neu are good krautrock is like saying Aphex Twin is good IDM. That is to say, how can you refer to one of the exemplars of a "genre" as anything but superlative? (notwithstanding that krautrock is a pretty bogus designation which merely describes a common approach to interpreting American music). At any rate, I am firmly of the opinion that the Neu albums are some of the few elusive recordings in this day and age that are _not_ overrated (unlike say, Maitreya Kali). To the original poster, Neu are basically the rock equivalent of minimal techno. Even though they aren't namechecked by Detroit techno forefathers, it's easy to associate them with an equivalently antecedent role as Kraftwerk (whether or not this is historically accurate). Basically, you need it.

quoted 1 line and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but...

> and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but...

French stuff like what? Heldon? Ame Son? Red Noise? Lard Free? All good stuff, but I didn't realize there was a competition. I'd still take a brace of Agitation Free records over all of 'em, though (but that's just me). -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:36:40 -0600 omz <omz23@airmail.net> writes:

quoted 11 lines i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find

> > > i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find > neu! to be highly overrated. especially their 'experimental > electronic' stuff which is complete rubbish. but the first album and > > half of the second are good krautrock, not nearly the best though. > and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but... > > if you like stereolab, you would probably like neu!. especially > since stereolab basically nicked neu!'s sound and updated it a bit.

one should take NEU! in the context that it emerged...where were you in '72? tom w np: se7en dub - bricks ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) omz <spiralinsana@yahoo.com> writes:

quoted 5 lines one should take NEU! in the context that it emerged...where were

> > one should take NEU! in the context that it emerged...where were > > you in > > '72? > > I was two. What the fuck does that have to do with anything???

its got everything to do with it...doesnt originality and newness count for anything? if you had been listening to the beatles and the rolling stones for 6 years prior, ud realize that NEU! (among others) was a breath of fresh air...

quoted 3 lines I probably have about 400 krautrock & various prog releases, I know

> I probably have about 400 krautrock & various prog releases, I know > the context quite well. And I still think Neu! are overrated. Get > over it.

you dont know shit about the context...just admit it. tom w np: archetti & wiget - low tide digitals ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines you dont know shit about the context...just admit

> > you dont know shit about the context...just admit > it.

Either this is very funny or it's very sad. Context is different for different people. For example:

quoted 7 lines its got everything to do with it...doesnt

> its got everything to do with it...doesnt > originality and newness count > for anything? if you had been listening to the > beatles and the rolling > stones for 6 years prior, ud realize that NEU! > (among others) was a > breath of fresh air...

...if someone hadn't been listening to The Beatles or the Rolling Stones 6 years prior, but in fact had been paying attention to different musical trends (sorry I'm not as much of a scholar to mention anything specific, but certainly Beatles & Rolling Stones weren't the only two options back then), Neu! (or anything else) would be perceived differently. Case in point: In the summer of 1997, my big loves were Tori Amos, They Might Be Giants, and Nine Inch Nails - the latter being the most "adventurous" stuff I listened to. On a whime I bought this CD by this guy called "Aphex Twin." He blew my mind. It was unlike anything I'd heard before and I knew I loved it. However, if I'd been paying attention to electronic music and "IDM" and all of this throughout the 90's, Aphex Twin would have been much less of a shock to my system. In the creator's context of his influences, contemporaries, label, etc. - Aphex's RDJ Album is good, but not really revolutionary. Especially considering the Hangable Auto Bulb releases two (or one?) years prior. So, yes, context is everything, but whose context? The artist's, the label's, an abstract historal context, or the listener's? In which case, which listener? You? Me? I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing, but just saying "context is everything" and then lambasting someone else for not sharing your context and therefore your views is kind of short-sighted, IMHO. Sincerely, Lord High Damek, Ambassador of Love __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think the major flaw here is the assumption that "newness" is a unquestionable virtue. Originality isn't everything and often isn't anything. I don't understand modern (last 100 years) music's obsession with always changing. Some of the most interesting work has come from slight variations on a standard. Orientalism isn't really all it's cracked up to be. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@my2way.com http://www.atomly.com/ | 877.741.3571 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

atomly wrote:

quoted 8 lines I think the major flaw here is the assumption that "newness" is a

> I think the major flaw here is the assumption that "newness" is a > unquestionable virtue. Originality isn't everything and often isn't > anything. > > I don't understand modern (last 100 years) music's obsession with always > changing. Some of the most interesting work has come from slight > variations on a standard. Orientalism isn't really all it's cracked up > to be.

Whatever... You know what they say about opinions. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, r.lim wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, r.lim wrote:

quoted 1 line On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, omz wrote:

>>On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, omz wrote:

quoted 4 lines i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find

>> i don't want to start the whole krautrock thread here, but i find >> neu! to be highly overrated. especially their 'experimental >> electronic' stuff which is complete rubbish. but the first album and >> half of the second are good krautrock, not nearly the best though.

quoted 5 lines I don't really understand this- to say that Neu are good krautrock is

>I don't really understand this- to say that Neu are good krautrock is >like >saying Aphex Twin is good IDM. That is to say, how can you refer to >one >of the exemplars of a "genre" as anything but superlative?

maybe because they don't do it for me?? who defined neu! as an 'exemplar'?? you?? who cares. just because julian cope and the freeman brothers slather them with praise doesn't mean i have to do the same :P there are many german bands of the era that wipe the floor with neu! in my opinion, namely the cosmic jokers, ash ra/manuel gottsching, brave new world, guru guru, cluster, harmonia, kraftwerk...i could go on for days.

quoted 2 lines To the original poster, Neu are basically the rock equivalent of

>To the original poster, Neu are basically the rock equivalent of >minimal techno.

neu! sound like stereolab. or the other way around.

quoted 1 line and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but...

>> and actually the french stuff is crazier than the germans', but...

quoted 2 lines French stuff like what? Heldon? Ame Son? Red Noise? Lard Free? All

>French stuff like what? Heldon? Ame Son? Red Noise? Lard Free? All >good stuff, but I didn't realize there was a competition.

yes, heldon, lard free, pulsar, shylock, red noise, spacecraft, all excellent stuff. and i never said there was a competition, i said the french were a bit crazier, more out on a limb, if you will.

quoted 3 lines I'd still take a

>I'd still take a >brace of Agitation Free records over all of 'em, though (but that's >just me).

agitation free rocks, yes... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> writes:

quoted 51 lines --- tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

> > --- tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > > > > you dont know shit about the context...just admit > > it. > > Either this is very funny or it's very sad. Context > is different for different people. For example: > > > its got everything to do with it...doesnt > > originality and newness count > > for anything? if you had been listening to the > > beatles and the rolling > > stones for 6 years prior, ud realize that NEU! > > (among others) was a > > breath of fresh air... > > ...if someone hadn't been listening to The Beatles or > the Rolling Stones 6 years prior, but in fact had been > paying attention to different musical trends (sorry > I'm not as much of a scholar to mention anything > specific, but certainly Beatles & Rolling Stones > weren't the only two options back then), Neu! (or > anything else) would be perceived differently. > > Case in point: In the summer of 1997, my big loves > were Tori Amos, They Might Be Giants, and Nine Inch > Nails - the latter being the most "adventurous" stuff > I listened to. On a whime I bought this CD by this > guy called "Aphex Twin." He blew my mind. It was > unlike anything I'd heard before and I knew I loved > it. > > However, if I'd been paying attention to electronic > music and "IDM" and all of this throughout the 90's, > Aphex Twin would have been much less of a shock to my > system. In the creator's context of his influences, > contemporaries, label, etc. - Aphex's RDJ Album is > good, but not really revolutionary. Especially > considering the Hangable Auto Bulb releases two (or > one?) years prior. > > So, yes, context is everything, but whose context? > The artist's, the label's, an abstract historal > context, or the listener's? In which case, which > listener? You? Me? > > I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing, but just > saying "context is everything" and then lambasting > someone else for not sharing your context and > therefore your views is kind of short-sighted, IMHO.

of course context is personal...it's easy to dismiss any artist NOW...but that does not make them "irrelevant" or "over-rated", particularly if one has no clue of the context (environment; historical era; time) that they made their impression. tom w np: augustus pablo - dubbing with the don ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org