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2007-11-24 22:32Digital::Nimbus [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
2007-11-25 14:06Troy Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
├─ 2007-11-25 19:33mantrakid RE: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
└─ 2007-11-25 19:35nacho matallana Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
├─ 2007-11-26 01:16Douglas Teike Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
└─ 2007-11-26 06:55Esa Ruoho Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
└─ 2007-11-27 06:01Shannon Oram Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
├─ 2007-11-26 11:45n3wjack Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
│ └─ 2007-11-27 03:34joshua. Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
└─ 2007-11-27 19:11John D. Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature)
└─ 2007-11-28 00:14nat hawks [idm] BOGDAN/Is IDM dead?/BOGDAN
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2007-11-24 22:32Digital::Nimbus-- -- Is IDM dead? Read full feature :: http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1638&cate
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-- -- Is IDM dead? Read full feature :: http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1638&category=features Adam Winfield examines the IDM genre-tag and asks some key players (Thaddeus Hermann of City Centre Offices and Mike Paradinas of Planet-Mu) about their opinion on the issue of intelligent dance music. -- -- -- Pietro Da Sacco Igloo Magazine (Managing Editor) :: igloomag.com Digital::Nimbus (Radio Host) :: digitalnimbus.com PO Box 307, Corona CA. 92878 USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-11-25 14:06TroyActually i've been wondering what Pietro himself has been thinking about the status of idm
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Actually i've been wondering what Pietro himself has been thinking about the status of idm. All this talk recently about the death of it, though he still plugs out the good shit new & old on his show every week. I figure he's the guy who would have a largely respected opinion... Troy/Portis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-11-25 19:33mantrakidI respect him largely... I'm also interested to hear what the Pietrobot things.. -----Orig
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I respect him largely... I'm also interested to hear what the Pietrobot things.. -----Original Message----- From: Troy [mailto:portis@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:06 AM To: idm@hyperreal Subject: Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature) Actually i've been wondering what Pietro himself has been thinking about the status of idm. All this talk recently about the death of it, though he still plugs out the good shit new & old on his show every week. I figure he's the guy who would have a largely respected opinion... Troy/Portis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-11-25 19:35nacho matallanaI deeply agree with the view about idm that this article offers I mean, I think the term i
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I deeply agree with the view about idm that this article offers I mean, I think the term itself didnt do much good to the scene at the begigning a bunch of people did great cutting edge music and after it was given a name, now the majority of the people that try to do idm dont even get close to any music boundary... more so, the best works actually are mostly by the people that already lead the secen 15 years ago and of cours etheir works now (being the best at the moment) dont even mean the shadow of what they achieved in the past maybe autechre keep in good level still, but I dont think what they do is cutting edge anymore... not if you compare what they achive in 2007 with what they already did in 2001 that said, some names give me hoe such as team doyobi, brothomstates (where is he^??)
2007-11-26 01:16Douglas TeikeWhat I like about the genre term and what I assume to be it's description is that it encom
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What I like about the genre term and what I assume to be it's description is that it encompasses all electronic music that does NOT fit into other genres, and is free to take a life of its own. The thing that sets it apart was that it doesn't necessarily contain a set tempo, standardized drum pattern, or sound set (except maybe glitch). Listen to Boards of Canada then listen to Autechre and they couldn't be more different, but both are considered IDM. It IS a dumb term though, I say we call it "Neo-Prog" and be done with it. :) As for being dead, I would disagree. I think there is good stuff still coming out, and I am picky as hell when it comes to liking something. Doug T. nacho matallana <nacmat@gmail.com> wrote: I deeply agree with the view about idm that this article offers I mean, I think the term itself didnt do much good to the scene at the begigning a bunch of people did great cutting edge music and after it was given a name, now the majority of the people that try to do idm dont even get close to any music boundary... more so, the best works actually are mostly by the people that already lead the secen 15 years ago and of cours etheir works now (being the best at the moment) dont even mean the shadow of what they achieved in the past maybe autechre keep in good level still, but I dont think what they do is cutting edge anymore... not if you compare what they achive in 2007 with what they already did in 2001 that said, some names give me hoe such as team doyobi, brothomstates (where is he^??)
2007-11-26 06:55Esa RuohoOn 25/11/2007, nacho matallana <nacmat@gmail.com> wrote: > > that said, some names give me
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On 25/11/2007, nacho matallana <nacmat@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines that said, some names give me hoe such as team doyobi, brothomstates> > that said, some names give me hoe such as team doyobi, brothomstates > (where > is he^??) >
have you heard the brothomstrain vs. blamstates 12"? have you hunted down the koneisto 2002 liveset? (no, not the koneisto 2000 liveset). have you hunted down the default response 2002 liveset? have you gone to his myspace page where he has 4 unreleased songs on there, one for download (you and your family) ? http://www.myspace.com/8r07h0m574735 and have you seen the 4 excerpts of brothomstates live from konemetsä, 2007? konemetsä 2007 Brothomstates 1/4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=qtLyFnw7Pj8 konemetsä 2007 Brothomstates 2/4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=w_I0hiX09fg konemetsä 2007 Brothomstates 3/4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=qXZqVuRojwo konemetsä 2007 Brothomstates 4/4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ChhYIJ66Rg
2007-11-27 06:01Shannon OramIn the sense that IDM was used to describe music which was "breaking free from the restric
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In the sense that IDM was used to describe music which was "breaking free from the restrictive rules of existing genres", the term is "dead"/inappropriate. But "IDM" as a genre label is appropriate. I consider "IDM" has both a genre and umbrella genre label, just like "rock". Despite how inappropriate and despised the term "IDM" itself may be, people are more likely to know what I'm talking about if I say "IDM". If Aphex Twin isn't "IDM", what is it? I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the "IDM is dead" topic come up a number of times. Is it really such a big deal that "IDM" music is no longer breaking new ground? I assume all genres of music go though phases of innovation and stagnation/consolidation. People still create music which can be called "IDM". People still listen to music which can be called "IDM". All IMO of course! ;) >-- -- >Is IDM dead? > >Read full feature :: >http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1638&category=features > >Adam Winfield examines the IDM genre-tag and asks some key players >(Thaddeus Hermann of City Centre Offices and Mike Paradinas of >Planet-Mu) about their opinion on the issue of intelligent dance >music. >-- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-11-26 11:45n3wjack2007/11/27, Shannon Oram <shannonoram@gmail.com>: > > > I've only just recently joined the
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2007/11/27, Shannon Oram <shannonoram@gmail.com>:
quoted 8 lines I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the> > > I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the > "IDM is dead" topic come up a number of times. Is it really such a big > deal that "IDM" music is no longer breaking new ground? I assume all > genres of music go though phases of innovation and > stagnation/consolidation. People still create music which can be called > "IDM". People still listen to music which can be called "IDM".
It happens to all genres in the end I guess, when too many artists are writing music according to the predefined format which is established as the genre ages. It's the same thing with drum'n'bass. That has been dead for quite a while as well, with tons of releases every week. Only a few of those are actually still interesting and slightly innovative compared to the early years. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station
2007-11-27 03:34joshua.i think we can all agree that that's just the natural flow of music. when a new "genre" is
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i think we can all agree that that's just the natural flow of music. when a new "genre" is established, all of it is groundbreaking and mindblowing because its never been done before. eventually the limits of what it can offer are going to be reached until the technology available for use evolves in some way. i think, really, that idm is far from dead, but is just settled and mature, sitting on the porch in a rocking chair with a shotgun across its knees thinking about how great Music Has The Right To Children was. the real question, i think, isn't whether or not the genre is dead, but if there is still stuff coming out that those of us that like IDM enjoy... for me, the answer is, "yes, all of the time," so for my purposes the genre is alive, maybe not thriving, but alive, and i'm sure any day now there will be a resurgence of creativity and originality and with it a renewed interest in the genre, this is a cycle that all of the electronic music styles seem to go through, at least as far as i've been able to tell over the years. idm is a dumb name, but it's what we've got... i mean, if we're going to talk about this, maybe we should have a round-email discussion about what we would rather call the music :)... in which case we will have to rename this list. i dunno, who can know? isn't it enough for us to just love the music and take the good with the bad and not worry about the fecundity of the current output (which, like i said, isn't necessarily groundbreaking, but still quality.)? like what you like and weed out the chaff... joshua. On Nov 26, 2007 4:45 AM, n3wjack <n3wjack@n3wjack.net> wrote:
quoted 28 lines 2007/11/27, Shannon Oram <shannonoram@gmail.com>:> 2007/11/27, Shannon Oram <shannonoram@gmail.com>: > > > > > > I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the > > "IDM is dead" topic come up a number of times. Is it really such a big > > deal that "IDM" music is no longer breaking new ground? I assume all > > genres of music go though phases of innovation and > > stagnation/consolidation. People still create music which can be called > > "IDM". People still listen to music which can be called "IDM". > > > It happens to all genres in the end I guess, when too many artists are > writing music according to the predefined format which is established as > the > genre ages. > It's the same thing with drum'n'bass. That has been dead for quite a while > as well, with tons of releases every week. > Only a few of those are actually still interesting and slightly innovative > compared to the early years. > > > -- > "progress doesn't come from early risers > progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" > > http://n3wjack.net > http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station >
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2007-11-27 19:11John D.I'm too much enjoying listening to Authechre's 12/30/06 radio set to worry about it :) JD
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I'm too much enjoying listening to Authechre's 12/30/06 radio set to worry about it :) JD
quoted 40 lines In the sense that IDM was used to describe music which was "breaking> In the sense that IDM was used to describe music which was "breaking > free from the restrictive rules of existing genres", the term is > "dead"/inappropriate. > > But "IDM" as a genre label is appropriate. I consider "IDM" has both a > genre and umbrella genre label, just like "rock". Despite how > inappropriate and despised the term "IDM" itself may be, people are > more likely to know what I'm talking about if I say "IDM". If Aphex > Twin isn't "IDM", what is it? > > I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the > "IDM is dead" topic come up a number of times. Is it really such a big > deal that "IDM" music is no longer breaking new ground? I assume all > genres of music go though phases of innovation and > stagnation/consolidation. People still create music which can be > called "IDM". People still listen to music which can be called "IDM". > > > All IMO of course! ;) > > > > >-- -- > >Is IDM dead? > > > >Read full feature :: > >http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1638&category=features > > > >Adam Winfield examines the IDM genre-tag and asks some key players > >(Thaddeus Hermann of City Centre Offices and Mike Paradinas of > >Planet-Mu) about their opinion on the issue of intelligent dance > >music. > >-- -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2007-11-28 00:14nat hawksbogdan does not believe the hype. bogdan is a good man. bogdan posted a download of his en
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bogdan does not believe the hype. bogdan is a good man. bogdan posted a download of his entire forthcoming album at a wildly poor quality (still, very effective marketing tool this is) and it's so awesome. i listen to it twice a day. big smiles here. i am buying the proper release. http://www.bogdanraczynski.com/ ALSO, i never knew there was a video for his remix of Bjork's WhoIsIt (the secret 12" that came out last year or whatever) the video is amazing! also on his site...
quoted 55 lines Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:11:43 +0800> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:11:43 +0800 > From: john.dalton@msa.hinet.net > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Fwd: Is IDM dead? (Igloo Feature) > > I'm too much enjoying listening to Authechre's 12/30/06 radio set to > worry about it :) > > JD > > In the sense that IDM was used to describe music which was "breaking > > free from the restrictive rules of existing genres", the term is > > "dead"/inappropriate. > > > > But "IDM" as a genre label is appropriate. I consider "IDM" has both a > > genre and umbrella genre label, just like "rock". Despite how > > inappropriate and despised the term "IDM" itself may be, people are > > more likely to know what I'm talking about if I say "IDM". If Aphex > > Twin isn't "IDM", what is it? > > > > I've only just recently joined the IDM mailing list, but I've seen the > > "IDM is dead" topic come up a number of times. Is it really such a big > > deal that "IDM" music is no longer breaking new ground? I assume all > > genres of music go though phases of innovation and > > stagnation/consolidation. People still create music which can be > > called "IDM". People still listen to music which can be called "IDM". > > > > > > All IMO of course! ;) > > > > > > > > >-- -- > > >Is IDM dead? > > > > > >Read full feature :: > > >http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1638&category=features > > > > > >Adam Winfield examines the IDM genre-tag and asks some key players > > >(Thaddeus Hermann of City Centre Offices and Mike Paradinas of > > >Planet-Mu) about their opinion on the issue of intelligent dance > > >music. > > >-- -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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