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Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to the 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are there any particular dance steps? Is it a commercial hit in the UK? thanks mediadrome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 09:04, Mediadrome@aol.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it.

> Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to the > 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are there > any particular dance steps? > Is it a commercial hit in the UK?

This is my first post to IDM, so try not to abuse me too much. Some conventions of two step: 125-145 BPM breakbeat (differing from speed garage being more of a breaks influence than house influence), sharp snare hit on the 2nd and 4th beat, usually a cymbal or shaker every eight note. All the precussion hits are usually short, emphasizing the syncopation and giving it a more "swinging" feel. A lot of dnb style basslines, and, unfortunately, a lot of cheesy rnb influenced vocals. To be honest, I like some 2step. I'm a strong beleiver that 80% of any genre of music that is produced is crap, but unfortunately with 2step its closer to 90%. There is FAR too much pop/rnb influence with the stuff being released in the UK (where I beleive it's gotten to the point that 2step regularly shows up on the pop charts). However, that other 10% really does move my ass, and I like it. There is a good deal of 2step/garage stuff that is more embracing of its dnb roots, with rolling basslines, increasingly more complex perscussion, and lacking the cheesy diva vocals which turn so many people off. There is also an emerging sound crossing over between the newschool breaks and garage genres that brings the good parts of 2step/garage without most of the bad. For some bad 2step, listen to So Solid Crew, Oxide and Neutrino, and anything you can find on the BBC. For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me sometime), list to Zed Bias, Dee Kline, DJ Zinc, DJ Hype, Stanton Warriors, and live sets (not so much production work) by Freq Nasty. -- Ross -- r.lord superclique,dc www.superclique.org rlord@superclique.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me

>For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me >sometime), list to Zed Bias, Dee Kline, DJ Zinc, DJ Hype, Stanton >Warriors, and live sets (not so much production work) by Freq Nasty.

good to see a couple of peeps namechecking stanton warriors on idm - their mix album 'the stantion session' released in 2001, is actually really fucking great. for various reasons i was given this record, and it sat on my floor for months. until someone mentioned them to me - and i was like.. 'yeah, but this is cheesy garage - right?' .. i expected just 'cool' music, because it wasn't marketed so much as a commercial record but an underground one with credibility for real people and not just 'underground garage' (or whatever) heads.. anyway - i put this record on and it is really great. yeah, a bit of cheesy diva action but take it tongue and cheek and actually this is booooty-lucious-a-shakin. certainly refreshing.. the sleeve notes make a comment which i think is true, it's talking about the history of stanton warriors and says that people were 'unable to bracket [determine] the warriors as the brightest hope or two-step heroes gone leftfield' nice. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of Dance history we know, sampling and screwing it up. Most real dance fans (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too commercial. Stick to D'n'B, it's much better. As for conventions, I think that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather than four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite common (and irritating). Maybe you may hear something different, but I think it was a bad idea made worse.... All IMHO Also - Commercial Hit? It's the only reason 2-step got popular was by hype, media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is the only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples, and it was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [idm] 2 step

quoted 2 lines Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it.

> Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to

the

quoted 1 line 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

> 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

there

quoted 10 lines any particular dance steps?

> any particular dance steps? > Is it a commercial hit in the UK? > > thanks > mediadrome > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd been playing techno, house, d'n'b, and was bored with it all, till i found a 12" of that loop da loop mix of 'love commandments'. hard, driving 4/4 beat! huge d'n'b-style bassline! weird-ass time stretchy samples and things! i could have done without the cheese vocals, but i loved it all the same, and was hooked. i special ordered as much speed garage as i could...after a few months i noticed all the b-sides to the records i was buying were these 'breakbeat' mixes with cheeseball house organ lines and even more horrendous skippy vocal samples than the tracks on the a-side...this, apparently, was the infancy of '2step' (people around me were calling it uk garage at the time)...pretty soon the b-sides became the a-sides, and all i could find for speed garage records were horrid 4/4 mixes of ukgarage/2step tracks. gone were the huge dark basslines and fast driving beats, replaced with bubbly boring bass, and that skippy 'oontz-kak-buh-kakkak' beat. this was followed by all the uk pirates and even some mainstream radio stations starting to play it, terrible r&b songs getting bootlegged into even more terrible 2step tracks, the 2step blowup in the uk, and now the trickledown of it over here in the US. i relocated to san francisco about 4 years ago, and have watched a number of really good local d'n'b djs jump the jungle ship and start playing what i've come to call poostep...oh well. i sit here under my grumpy umbrella, waiting for this unfortunate storm to pass. like when one of my closest pals got deeply and inexplicably into happy hardcore. heh. admittedly, i've heard a few good 2step tracks: stuff on domu's new record 'up and down', an aromabar remix i forget the details of, some things on svek that sound like 2step and tech-house humping... but i suppose i'd like to hear from someone who actually likes 2step. tell me: why? what's the appeal to you? is there anybody out there? -z On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Rich wrote:

quoted 49 lines I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm

> I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm > not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of > Dance history we know, sampling and screwing it up. Most real dance fans > (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too > commercial. Stick to D'n'B, it's much better. As for conventions, I think > that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather than > four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite common > (and irritating). > > Maybe you may hear something different, but I think it was a bad idea made > worse.... > > All IMHO > > Also - Commercial Hit? It's the only reason 2-step got popular was by hype, > media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is the > only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples, and it > was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:04 PM > Subject: [idm] 2 step > > > > Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to > the > > 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are > there > > any particular dance steps? > > Is it a commercial hit in the UK? > > > > thanks > > mediadrome > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I'll try not to add *too* much more to this unless asked, but I'll speak up (briefly) as an avowed lover of 2-step. Granted, I'm a music whore and in some senses I love songs/vocals as much as production -- but I'm definitely not a fan of much contemporary R&B and I've still found a lot to love in 2-step. Here's three of the best: Stanton Warriors - Stanton Session - the Basement Jaxx of the 2-step scene: infectious and irresistible, but very tight V/A - Pure Garage (mixed by DJ EZ) - very R&B/anthems sounding, not going to change yr mind, but if you like classic house music, you'll love this... Zed Bias - Sound of the Pirates - harder, more track-oriented... Just be sure to avoid single-artist albums: MJ Cole, Wookie, and esp. Artful Dodgy (except their mix albums). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hello IDM list, I have been on and off this list for 5 years now. I am glad to be back on and I hope to stay a while. As Troy McClure would say, "Some of you may know me as Magic Hands." (When I first joined the list it was de rigueur to use a DJ-type pseudonymn.) Today, you can call me Matt. I have a special request. Recently I destroyed my copy of Porter Ricks' "Biokinetics" release. That darn metal case finally did me in. I have looked around for the album on various music/file sharing services, but the few mp3s I've been able to find have been of poor quality. I'd love to get the whole album, but if someone could send me a link to a CD quality mp3 of "Port Gentil" (the first track on the album), I'd be very grateful. Very, very grateful. Please reply off-list to the e-mail below. Peace, Matt studio@cheapo.cc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it.

> Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to

the

quoted 1 line 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

> 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

there

quoted 2 lines any particular dance steps?

> any particular dance steps? > Is it a commercial hit in the UK?

It's the hip house of the post 90s. Don't bother. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Recently, there was an intriguing thread on Boxcutter and 2 Step, which inspired me pick up Boxcutter's "Oneiric" and some 2 Step compilations from the budget bin. I like this sound a lot! This seems to be a very fertile musical melange. The compilations I picked up from the budget bin were "Vital 2 Step" and Artful Dodger's "Rewind". Both comps have some really catchy tracks, as well as some rather mainstream-sounding drivel. The Groove Chronicles tracks on "Vital 2 Step" are the standouts for me at this point. I like the IDM bent of Boxcutter, while I also like the perkier syncopation of the compilations I got. If someone could point me in the direction of any good compilations of IDM-ish or gospel/R&B-influenced 2 Step (or better yet, a combination of the two), I'd greatly appreciate it! -- {}0+>| --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

phuturistix - feel it out - 2003 hospital 62. is a great album. a lot of grime, imho is a spawn of the whole 2 step thing. they both focus on a specific placement of a break that adds a lot of complexity to the types of swing you can use with just subtle time changes. peace, nth.

quoted 31 lines From: darnistle <darnistle@cafe-ebola.com>

>From: darnistle <darnistle@cafe-ebola.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] 2 step Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:24:42 -0400 > >Recently, there was an intriguing thread on Boxcutter and 2 Step, which >inspired me pick up Boxcutter's "Oneiric" and some 2 Step compilations >from the budget bin. I like this sound a lot! This seems to be a very >fertile musical melange. > >The compilations I picked up from the budget bin were "Vital 2 Step" and >Artful Dodger's >"Rewind". Both comps have some really catchy tracks, as well as some >rather >mainstream-sounding drivel. The Groove Chronicles tracks on "Vital 2 >Step" are the standouts for me at this point. > >I like the IDM bent of Boxcutter, while I also like the perkier syncopation >of >the compilations I got. > >If someone could point me in the direction of any good compilations of >IDM-ish or gospel/R&B-influenced 2 Step (or better yet, a combination of >the two), I'd greatly appreciate it! > >-- >{}0+>| > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of things, check out burial. clips are on boomkat.com. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of

> and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of > things, check out burial. clips are on boomkat.com.

Okay, I'm in a minority of one here, but on this little island of mine that Burial release is nothing to write home about whatsoever. Mawkish would be my one word dismissal (it used to be voyeuristic, but I got told off for that). ATB, C. NP Hermeto Pascoal/Slaves Mass (much better than Burial, heh heh). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I wanted to send out a little reminder about tommorow night (tue. july 11) at Baltic Room. J. Hunsberger is playing live at OSCILLATE (tuesdays at Baltic Room) for the un-initiated-- J. Hunsberger is easily one of the more outstanding techno producers in the genre. he records for Mike Shannon's label Cynosure and the Mutek label as well and this past weekend was a featured artist at the Soundwave Festival in Vancouver BC. J. also played at last years' Decibel Festival and anyone who caught his set knows the beautiful sound he brings. this will be a great show and I HIGHLY reccomend checking it out! below is the show copy...enjoy! cheers..... SENSORY EFFECT presents OSCILLATE-- Tuesdays at The Baltic Room--1207 pine st. Seattle WA 10p 21+ $8 at the door with residents GREG SKIDMORE and ELECTROSECT live visuals by Scott James (of The Now Device) Tue. July 11 we welcome special guests J. HUNSBERGER (cynosure,revolver canada) With previous releases on the Mutek_Rec and Revolver labels - this producer has his minimal head screwed firmly on. After jockeying for ten years, it's clear he knows exactly what goes down well on the dancefloor - witness his subtle way with a melody and obscured vocals. Using his voice as a key sample source, Hunsberger synthesizes the sound into rhythm and melody, creating percussion, bass, strings and complex vocal interplay where there was none. His is a minimal yet chunky, twisted yet accessible electronic funk seamlessly forming links between genres. Think that techno, broken beat, dub, breaks and drum 'n' bass are now but distant cousins? Hunsberger unselfconsciously reminds of the collective root. DJ EDDIE (enviornmental Structures-SEA) Seattle's DJ Eddie is such a smooth, adaptable techno/house DJ that he tends to get taken for granted by locals. Mistake. He reads crowds like a lit proffessor reads James Joyce and his selections are always apropos for the situation. Plus, he rocks the Dominik Eulberg like nobody's business --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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quoted 2 lines and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of

>> and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of >> things, check out burial. clips are on boomkat.com.

quoted 4 lines Okay, I'm in a minority of one here, but on this little island of mine that

>Okay, I'm in a minority of one here, but on this little island of mine that >Burial release is nothing to write home about whatsoever. Mawkish would be >my one word dismissal (it used to be voyeuristic, but I got told off for >that).

i'm not one to listen to hype...it seems this release generated a bit of a sensation, but i ignored that. i'm not familiar with 2-step or dubstep at all. but i have a smattering of understanding of jungle/d'n'b and i am very familiar with dark ambient atmospherics and also with joy division. the bits i heard on boomkat sounded like if martin hannett had survived and begun producing underground dance records. a bit like dj shadow and his scratchy record samples done minimal and creepy like plastikman's 'consumed'. just so you know where i'm coming from d. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at chthonicstreams.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of

> and for those of you who like the dark and atmospheric side of > things, check out burial. clips are on boomkat.com.

Tempa's new Roots of Dubstep compilation looks like being pretty good on the 'when UK garage went BAD' tip... Dave This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org