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From the current s://kimo list: KLF VS. RICARDO VILLALOBOS, THE: What Time is Love? 12" (BLAOU) $10.15 "It's finally starting, number one in an incredible remix series that will feature more than ten remix projects for the fabulous KLF. They were called The JAMS, The Timelords, The KLF, K Foundation und KLF Communications. Their hits 'What Time Is Love,' 'Justified & Ancient,' '3 AM Eternal,' 'Last Train To Trancentral' und 'Doctorin' The Tardis' dominated the Charts worldwide in the early '90s. Being the real pioneers of sampling they cultivated the art of the cut-copy-paste production style and they ruthlessly ripped and lifted whatever sound came their way. Remixes to come will include such artists as Deichkind, Dixon, M Schaffhäuser, Chris Liebing, Tobi Neumann starting now with Ricardo doing two amazing extra long mixes of 'What Time is Love' in his current minimal psychedelic hi-impact style." +++++++++++++++++++ anybody heard this yet? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ha . I sent this through to a local NZ list I was on. and we got on to a discussion about who we would like to remix KLF KLF remix picks: Francois K, Shep Pettibone, Arthur Baker, Oliver Lieb, Andy Weatherall, Ben Sims, Hardfloor, Carl Craig, Kevin Saunderson & Jeff Mills Irene McC wrote:

quoted 32 lines From the current s://kimo list:

>>>From the current s://kimo list: > > KLF VS. RICARDO VILLALOBOS, THE: What Time is Love? 12" > (BLAOU) $10.15 > > "It's finally starting, number one in an incredible remix series that will > feature more than ten remix projects for the fabulous KLF. They were > called The JAMS, The Timelords, The KLF, K Foundation und KLF > Communications. Their hits 'What Time Is Love,' 'Justified & Ancient,' > '3 AM Eternal,' 'Last Train To Trancentral' und 'Doctorin' The Tardis' > dominated the Charts worldwide in the early '90s. Being the real > pioneers of sampling they cultivated the art of the cut-copy-paste > production style and they ruthlessly ripped and lifted whatever sound > came their way. Remixes to come will include such artists as > Deichkind, Dixon, M Schaffhäuser, Chris Liebing, Tobi Neumann > starting now with Ricardo doing two amazing extra long mixes of > 'What Time is Love' in his current minimal psychedelic hi-impact > style." > > +++++++++++++++++++ > > anybody heard this yet? > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone who's posting (except me - I'm arguing with them...who would believe it? :-) considers it blasphemy. One guy has his panties in a bunch over some deemed ethical violation of calling it a remix if it doesn't sound enough like the original. I guess he's never heard Richard James' remixes and I guess he is the one who gets to say how much something has to resemble the original to make it a 'legitimate' remix. My position is that as long as some source material is used, the sky's the limit in calling most anything a remix. And as one sane listmember pointed out, this track has been remixed to death by the KLF themselves - time for something new imo. jeff -------------------------

quoted 11 lines Ha . I sent this through to a local NZ list I was on.

> > Ha . I sent this through to a local NZ list I was on. > > and we got on to a discussion about who we would like to remix KLF > > > KLF remix picks: > > Francois K, Shep Pettibone, Arthur Baker, Oliver Lieb, Andy > Weatherall, Ben > Sims, Hardfloor, Carl Craig, Kevin Saunderson & Jeff Mills

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quoted 12 lines Irene McC wrote:

> > > Irene McC wrote: > >>> From the current s://kimo list: >> >> >> KLF VS. RICARDO VILLALOBOS, THE: What Time is Love? 12" (BLAOU) $10.15 >> >> "It's finally starting, number one in an incredible remix series that >> will feature more than ten remix projects for the fabulous KLF... >

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Oh - if you haven't heard this, you should note that if you are some kind of KLF purist (which would seem to contradict what they are about anyway), you probably will not hear enough of the original to make you recall the days of yore. The KLF have left the building. :-) jeff theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 56 lines You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone

> You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone > who's posting (except me - I'm arguing with them...who would believe > it? :-) considers it blasphemy. One guy has his panties in a bunch > over some deemed ethical violation of calling it a remix if it doesn't > sound enough like the original. > I guess he's never heard Richard James' remixes and I guess he is the > one who gets to say how much something has to resemble the original to > make it a 'legitimate' remix. > My position is that as long as some source material is used, the sky's > the limit in calling most anything a remix. And as one sane listmember > pointed out, this track has been remixed to death by the KLF > themselves - time for something new imo. > > jeff > > > ------------------------- > >> >> Ha . I sent this through to a local NZ list I was on. >> >> and we got on to a discussion about who we would like to remix KLF >> >> >> KLF remix picks: >> >> Francois K, Shep Pettibone, Arthur Baker, Oliver Lieb, Andy >> Weatherall, Ben >> Sims, Hardfloor, Carl Craig, Kevin Saunderson & Jeff Mills > > > --------------------------- > >> >> >> Irene McC wrote: >> >>>> From the current s://kimo list: >>> >>> >>> >>> KLF VS. RICARDO VILLALOBOS, THE: What Time is Love? 12" (BLAOU) $10.15 >>> >>> "It's finally starting, number one in an incredible remix series >>> that will feature more than ten remix projects for the fabulous KLF... >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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There is a KLF list .. let me at it! .. but If they are getting upset about a remix then we have lost our way in the wicked world of samples and revolution ' There was a enough heat on the decks for the guy promoting that event in Sydney last year as the KLF when all he had was Wanda B . .. Hmm .there are some major KLF fans here in NZ. I know one who went and found .. 'whats his name' in a cafe in London and offered to pay him a brick if he came to NZ to play . . But as you say . .KLF has left the building .. which was the point as I understand it. On the subject though, does anyone see any relationship between the Smashing Pumpkins video with the ice cream truck and all that paint .. and the KLF .. I always picked it as some obscure reference .. .simon theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 72 lines Oh - if you haven't heard this, you should note that if you are some

> Oh - if you haven't heard this, you should note that if you are some > kind of KLF purist (which would seem to contradict what they are about > anyway), you probably will not hear enough of the original to make you > recall the days of yore. The KLF have left the building. :-) > > jeff > > > theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > >> You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone >> who's posting (except me - I'm arguing with them...who would believe >> it? :-) considers it blasphemy. One guy has his panties in a bunch >> over some deemed ethical violation of calling it a remix if it doesn't >> sound enough like the original. >> I guess he's never heard Richard James' remixes and I guess he is the >> one who gets to say how much something has to resemble the original to >> make it a 'legitimate' remix. >> My position is that as long as some source material is used, the sky's >> the limit in calling most anything a remix. And as one sane listmember >> pointed out, this track has been remixed to death by the KLF >> themselves - time for something new imo. >> >> jeff >> >> >> ------------------------- >> >>> >>> Ha . I sent this through to a local NZ list I was on. >>> >>> and we got on to a discussion about who we would like to remix KLF >>> >>> >>> KLF remix picks: >>> >>> Francois K, Shep Pettibone, Arthur Baker, Oliver Lieb, Andy >>> Weatherall, Ben >>> Sims, Hardfloor, Carl Craig, Kevin Saunderson & Jeff Mills >> >> >> >> --------------------------- >> >>> >>> >>> Irene McC wrote: >>> >>>>> From the current s://kimo list: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> KLF VS. RICARDO VILLALOBOS, THE: What Time is Love? 12" (BLAOU) $10.15 >>>> >>>> "It's finally starting, number one in an incredible remix series >>>> that will feature more than ten remix projects for the fabulous KLF... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > > >

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quoted 5 lines You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone

> You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this. Nearly everyone > who's posting (except me - I'm arguing with them...who would believe it? > :-) considers it blasphemy. One guy has his panties in a bunch over some > deemed ethical violation of calling it a remix if it doesn't sound > enough like the original.

Hang on, so a bunch of KLF fans are getting angry about the ethics of remixing? *head -> desk* David -- "And then what do they do?" "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all accounts." This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here you go: KLF mailing list:

quoted 2 lines KLF@mailman.xmission.com

> KLF@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf

...you'll be surprised at the general lack of knowledge there in terms of the world of electronic music. A similar pehnomenon exists on the Orb list. What a lot of these listers haven't heard was a bit of a shock to me, as well as the general closed-mindedness and pretensions about how they think things 'should be' in terms of what music others make...ironic when one considers the likes of both The Orb and KLF. There some amusing antics afoot on the Orb list when Thrash (ex-Orb) trolls under various pseudonyms before the admin catches him. Kris Weston has a wicked sense of humor. jeff

quoted 5 lines There is a KLF list .. let me at it!

> > There is a KLF list .. let me at it! > > .. but If they are getting upset about a remix then we > have lost our way in the wicked world of samples and revolution '

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yeah, i've been on the orb list since about '96 / '97 and I couldn't agree with you more. it's a shame really. i'll always love the orb, but i'm not going to defend their post-orblivion tripe. hopefully things will look up for them now that they are releaseing on kompakt and not island (which they've had alot of problems with anyway). but i never see them releasing another orbvs calliber album ever again. their komfort ep sounds was good, but didn't even stand out from the rest of the kompakt cataglouge enough to get my really grooving on it. se la vie, xenlab www.xnlb.com On 6/20/05, therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net <therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote:

quoted 24 lines Here you go:

> Here you go: > > KLF mailing list: > > KLF@mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > ...you'll be surprised at the general lack of knowledge there in terms of the world of electronic music. A similar pehnomenon exists on the Orb list. What a lot of these listers haven't heard was a bit of a shock to me, as well as the general closed-mindedness and pretensions about how they think things 'should be' in terms of what music others make...ironic when one considers the likes of both The Orb and KLF. There some amusing antics afoot on the Orb list when Thrash (ex-Orb) trolls under various pseudonyms before the admin catches him. Kris Weston has a wicked sense of humor. > > jeff > > > > > > > > There is a KLF list .. let me at it! > > > > .. but If they are getting upset about a remix then we > > have lost our way in the wicked world of samples and revolution ' > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Yo Jeff, Get yourself on there and tell them I've got ten KLF tracks that have never been released, been sat on them for years :) Martin Dust Dust Science Limited PO BOX 3542 Sheffield S8 9WU UK ------------------------------------- Label: http://www.dustscience.com Club: http://www.dustclub.com Store: http://www.duststore.com Community: http://www.littledetroit.net The Black Dog: http://www.dogsquad.co.uk Any negotiations made within this e-mail do not form an offer or a contract. This message contains information, which may be privileged and confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender On 20 Jun 2005, at 12:27, therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net wrote:

quoted 32 lines Here you go:

> Here you go: > > KLF mailing list: >> KLF@mailman.xmission.com >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > ...you'll be surprised at the general lack of knowledge there in terms > of the world of electronic music. A similar pehnomenon exists on the > Orb list. What a lot of these listers haven't heard was a bit of a > shock to me, as well as the general closed-mindedness and pretensions > about how they think things 'should be' in terms of what music others > make...ironic when one considers the likes of both The Orb and KLF. > There some amusing antics afoot on the Orb list when Thrash (ex-Orb) > trolls under various pseudonyms before the admin catches him. Kris > Weston has a wicked sense of humor. > > jeff > > > > >> >> There is a KLF list .. let me at it! >> >> .. but If they are getting upset about a remix then we >> have lost our way in the wicked world of samples and revolution ' > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Hmm . I used to buy everything KLF I could find. I given all my 'valuable' records to a friend to keep. But I have several KLF mixes by a Brass Band .. and a few other very abstract things .. haven't seen them for about seven years. Anything you can tell me about . Martin' ? I still carry a copy of the White Room in my box, and when the party get really weird I like to play 'Make it Rain' "pump pump . a little harder .. " The White Room was really my first DJ tool. I went to a party at 14, took over the stereo with my 5 cassette tapes that I had brought along . and KLF was the hit .. along with some 80's super mix tape .. I remember telling everyone to wait while I re-cued tracks with the rewind button . killer .simon Martin Dust wrote:

quoted 7 lines Yo Jeff,

> Yo Jeff, > > Get yourself on there and tell them I've got ten KLF tracks that have > never been released, been sat on them for years :) > > Martin Dust >

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Bingo - incredible dramatic irony. One of the listers keep trying to take some kind of moral high horse about it! On top of it, his argumentative skills are pathetic. If one chooses to make a silly argument, one might at least have decent form. :-) jeff

quoted 1 line You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this.

> > You should hear the flap on the KLF list about this.

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quoted 2 lines Hang on, so a bunch of KLF fans are getting angry about the ethics of remixing?

> Hang on, so a bunch of KLF fans are getting angry about the ethics of remixing? > *head -> desk*

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I've lost all credibility there already because I didn't agree that some whining sycophant had the right to decide what did and didn't qualify as a legitimate remix...but that sure would be a fun thread to drop! 8^D j

quoted 7 lines Yo Jeff,

> Yo Jeff, > > Get yourself on there and tell them I've got ten KLF tracks that have > never been released, been sat on them for years :) > > Martin Dust >

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There's not much to report really, Jimmy and Bill have a load of stuff that has never been released, not really my place to talk about it, but it's all very, very KLF - IMHO it hasn't aged well in some places but I've always loved the stuff they did. Haven't heard from Jimmy in a while, he was doing paintings last time I heard from him. Before that he had a project called BlackSmoke. I don't think any of the stuff will ever get released tho... Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "viva la' evolution" <turnstyle@obscure.co.nz> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [idm] KLF remixed

quoted 46 lines Hmm . I used to buy everything KLF I could find.

> > > Hmm . I used to buy everything KLF I could find. > > I given all my 'valuable' records to a friend to keep. > > But I have several KLF mixes by a Brass Band .. and a few > other very abstract things .. haven't seen them for about > seven years. > > Anything you can tell me about . Martin' ? > > > I still carry a copy of the White Room in my box, and when > the party get really weird I like to play 'Make it Rain' > > "pump pump . a little harder .. " > > The White Room was really my first DJ tool. I went to a > party at 14, took over the stereo with my 5 cassette tapes > that I had brought along . and KLF was the hit .. along > with some 80's super mix tape .. > > I remember telling everyone to wait while I re-cued tracks > with the rewind button . killer > > .simon > > > > > Martin Dust wrote: >> Yo Jeff, >> >> Get yourself on there and tell them I've got ten KLF tracks that have >> never been released, been sat on them for years :) >> >> Martin Dust >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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One of the questions was if anyone has heard this as yet. I understand it doesnt sound much like the original (I wasn't a big fan of the original to be honest) but is it any good? The press sheet talks it up quite a bit with words like "greatly anticipated" and the like, but seriously - is this a series worth collecting? Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com http://www.jungle-life.com http://www.boomboombap.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 10 lines One of the questions was if anyone has heard this as

>One of the questions was if anyone has heard this as >yet. I understand it doesnt sound much like the >original (I wasn't a big fan of the original to be >honest) but is it any good? > >The press sheet talks it up quite a bit with words >like "greatly anticipated" and the like, but seriously >- is this a series worth collecting? > >

For my money, yes. If Villalobos is on the knobs, I'm buying. If you're looking for more straight-up KLF, you may think otherwise. As Thomas Touzimsky pointed out on the KLF list, they themselves have already mixed it up one side and down the other to death, so I'm ready for something completely different myself. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 20 Jun 2005 at 21:12, theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 1 line For my money, yes. If Villalobos is on the knobs, I'm buying.

> For my money, yes. If Villalobos is on the knobs, I'm buying.

Really? When he first surfaced, I gasped in mighty admiration. I loved it all, even recently playing Easy Lee easily ten times in a loop on headphones - aaaah, bliss :-) But Thé Au Harem D'archimède left me utttttterly underwhelmed. Virtually not a good moment on it, even after close inspection. What am I missing? It's not that I have the attention span of a goldfish, but this stuff is seriously boring, to my ears at least. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Irene McC wrote:

quoted 23 lines On 20 Jun 2005 at 21:12, theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

>On 20 Jun 2005 at 21:12, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > > > >>For my money, yes. If Villalobos is on the knobs, I'm buying. >> >> > >Really? When he first surfaced, I gasped in mighty admiration. I >loved it all, even recently playing Easy Lee easily ten times in a loop >on headphones - aaaah, bliss :-) > >But Thé Au Harem D'archimède left me utttttterly underwhelmed. >Virtually not a good moment on it, even after close inspection. > >What am I missing? It's not that I have the attention span of a >goldfish, but this stuff is seriously boring, to my ears at least. > >I >* > > >

That wasn't his best work, but all in all, I still consider what he does 'buy on spot'. Certain artists need to show me a pattern of blowouts before I lose faith and RV has enough material which does it for me to cover a few 'sins'. Particulary in this genre, I tend not to pay nearly as much attention to the CD releases (and full length LPs) as I do the 12"s. It's odd, but the full lengths often have a different flavor to them (e.g., the Robag Wruhme, latest Ark on Perlon, etc.) jeff jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines One of the questions was if anyone has heard this as

>One of the questions was if anyone has heard this as >yet. I understand it doesnt sound much like the >original (I wasn't a big fan of the original to be >honest) but is it any good?

Boomkat (www.boomkat.com) have got a couple of audio samples up - only a minute or so long, but you can pretty much get the idea. There may be more elsewhere... I quite like the way that the only bit of the original that's immediately recognisable is the 'I wanna see you sweat" sample that they got into all the trouble for not clearing in the first place... David -- "And then what do they do?" "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all accounts." This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org