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2005-04-27 06:55Evan CaronSo, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on defending electronic music as a true

From:: Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] music research

So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on defending electronic music as a true form of music. I guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows of any information on defending or enhancing this topic. I have posted on other forums and such but have only come up with the same things. Thanks for any info you can give. Cheers! Evan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-04-27 08:56Alan LockettI don't know of anything specific to electronic music, but Middleton's book (ref. below) p

From:: Alan Lockett <Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk>
To:: Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:56:52 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research
Reply to:: [idm] music research

I don't know of anything specific to electronic music, but Middleton's book (ref. below) provides some ammunition for a defence of music which does not have the institutionalised status as <ahem> Proper Music that is the preserve of the Functional Harmonic Classical canon (and later Serialism). For example, in defending 'popular' music (not just 'pop', btw) against the lofty ideological polemical stance of the likes of Theodor Adorno and other such elitist proponents of 'non-distracted' listening, Middleton occupies some ground for the claim to serious consideration of popular music forms. I don't wish to suggest that IDM and Ambient etc are popular forms in our everyday understanding of the term, but they would probably be considered by most as belonging more in this paradigm than in a classical/serialist one. I'd say that this book contains useful insights that could be co-opted into service for an electronic music 'defence' (an analysis of the semiotics of repetition, for one). However, it all depends on what you mean by 'electronic music' anyway. It appears to me that you might have something of Wormy Kettle Opening there when it comes to defining the object of study, since 'electronic music' doesn't reside within a neat ambit, but sprawls messily across all kinds of areas from e.g. anti- to ambient and pop to noise and so on, from mmmmm... Marclay to Marumari and Madonna to Masonna. alan Middleton, Richard (1990/2002). Studying Popular Music. Philadelphia: Open University Press. ISBN 0335152759. --On 26 April 2005 23:55 -0700 Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 19 lines So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on

> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on > defending electronic music as a true form of music. I > guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows of > any information on defending or enhancing this topic. > I have posted on other forums and such but have only > come up with the same things. Thanks for any info you > can give. Cheers! > > Evan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2005-04-27 09:08Dennis DeSantisDoes this topic still need "defending"? I've studied at a variety of music schools and con

From:: Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com>
To:: Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:08:16 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research
Reply to:: [idm] music research

Does this topic still need "defending"? I've studied at a variety of music schools and conservatories over the last 10ish years and have only come across a small handful of profs who still put academic music on a pedestal. This whole 50's-esque Modernist/progress vibe seems pretty well dead and gone in the academy - which I'm assuming is where you're writing your research paper? Sure, there are exceptions. But there are also serial killers. We don't treat either as if they're setting the bar. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com Evan Caron wrote:

quoted 9 lines So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on

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2005-04-27 09:26Alan LockettYes, I agree with what others have said in questioning the need for 'defence'. Still, here

From:: Alan Lockett <Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk>
To:: Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com>, Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:26:42 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research
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Yes, I agree with what others have said in questioning the need for 'defence'. Still, here's more ammunition, in case the battle needs carrying forward: Trevor Wishart "On Sonic Art" (The aesthetics of composition in a digital age) -- ISBN 371865461 or (paperback) 37186547X alan --On 27 April 2005 11:08 +0200 Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com> wrote:

quoted 30 lines Does this topic still need "defending"?

> Does this topic still need "defending"? > I've studied at a variety of music schools and conservatories over the > last 10ish years and have only come across a small handful of profs who > still put academic music on a pedestal. This whole 50's-esque > Modernist/progress vibe seems pretty well dead and gone in the academy - > which I'm assuming is where you're writing your research paper? > Sure, there are exceptions. But there are also serial killers. We don't > treat either as if they're setting the bar. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com > > > > Evan Caron wrote: >> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on >> defending electronic music as a true form of music. I >> guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows of >> any information on defending or enhancing this topic. >> I have posted on other forums and such but have only >> come up with the same things. Thanks for any info you >> can give. Cheers! >> >> Evan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

2005-04-27 09:18I'm not a dj> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on > defending electronic music as a

From:: I'm not a dj <turnstyle@obscure.co.nz>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:18:10 +1200
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research
Reply to:: [idm] music research

quoted 2 lines So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on

> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on > defending electronic music as a true form of music.

I'm struggling with the concept that we should defend the music against anything. I'd rather defend it against phase cancellation. .turnstyle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-04-27 10:21Gareth Faullwhat is the difference between a synth drum sound and a 'real' drum? they are both just ar

From:: Gareth Faull <device@paradise.net.nz>
To:: idmlist <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:21:47 +1200
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research

what is the difference between a synth drum sound and a 'real' drum? they are both just artificial means of producing a very similar sound, aren't they? I mean, its not like pianos or violins grow on trees! (oh no, I can hear a digital verses analog argument being formed...) g.FAUX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lockett" <Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk> To: "Dennis DeSantis" <dennis@dennisdesantis.com>; "Evan Caron" <e23thug@yahoo.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [idm] music research

quoted 59 lines Yes, I agree with what others have said in questioning the need for

> > Yes, I agree with what others have said in questioning the need for > 'defence'. > Still, here's more ammunition, in case the battle needs carrying forward: > > Trevor Wishart "On Sonic Art" (The aesthetics of composition in a digital > age) > -- ISBN 371865461 or (paperback) 37186547X > > alan > > --On 27 April 2005 11:08 +0200 Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com> > wrote: > >> Does this topic still need "defending"? >> I've studied at a variety of music schools and conservatories over the >> last 10ish years and have only come across a small handful of profs who >> still put academic music on a pedestal. This whole 50's-esque >> Modernist/progress vibe seems pretty well dead and gone in the academy - >> which I'm assuming is where you're writing your research paper? >> Sure, there are exceptions. But there are also serial killers. We don't >> treat either as if they're setting the bar. >> >> -- >> Dennis DeSantis >> www.dennisdesantis.com >> >> >> >> Evan Caron wrote: >>> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper on >>> defending electronic music as a true form of music. I >>> guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows of >>> any information on defending or enhancing this topic. >>> I have posted on other forums and such but have only >>> come up with the same things. Thanks for any info you >>> can give. Cheers! >>> >>> Evan >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > > ---------------------- > Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) > Language Centre, University of Bristol, > 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK > tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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2005-04-27 14:16Doopeyduk@aol.comId suggest simon friths "Sound Effects" and "Performance Rites"....Nothing specific to ele

From:: <Doopeyduk@aol.com>
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Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:16:16 EDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research

Id suggest simon friths "Sound Effects" and "Performance Rites"....Nothing specific to electronic music per se, rather some pretty good aesthetic arguments that can be easily modified to fit any genre.

2005-04-27 17:23Evan CaronThis paper isn't for any music theory class or anything. The topic came up within my cultu

From:: Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research

This paper isn't for any music theory class or anything. The topic came up within my cultural studies class and I was the only one defending electronic and experimental music. Mind you I do live in Montana and most of my class are a bunch of ski bum morons. This paper is more to just give them an idea of what I was trying to say in a small amount of time in class. --- Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com> wrote:

quoted 38 lines Does this topic still need "defending"?

> Does this topic still need "defending"? > I've studied at a variety of music schools and > conservatories over the > last 10ish years and have only come across a small > handful of profs who > still put academic music on a pedestal. This whole > 50's-esque > Modernist/progress vibe seems pretty well dead and > gone in the academy - > which I'm assuming is where you're writing your > research paper? > Sure, there are exceptions. But there are also > serial killers. We > don't treat either as if they're setting the bar. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com > > > > Evan Caron wrote: > > So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper > on > > defending electronic music as a true form of > music. I > > guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows > of > > any information on defending or enhancing this > topic. > > I have posted on other forums and such but have > only > > come up with the same things. Thanks for any info > you > > can give. Cheers! > > > > Evan >

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2005-04-28 03:19Luis-Manuel GarciaI agree with everyone else that EDM/IDM doesn't really seem to need defending within the r

From:: Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu>
To:: Evan Caron <e23thug@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:19:21 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] music research
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music research

I agree with everyone else that EDM/IDM doesn't really seem to need defending within the realm of music studies, but if you're defending it to a group of people that aren't familiar with then the Middleton and Frith books are both quite useful. I'd also suggest Keith Negus's "Popular Music in Theory," which summarizes a lot of debates about musical/cultural value. In addition to that, I'd look at Mark J. Butler's dissertation (2003, "Unlocking the Groove", Indiana University). The content of the dissertation includes some pretty dense theory, but the bibliography would be very useful to you for finding sources that address EDM/IDM specifically. Also, check RILM (Reseau Internationale de Litterature Musicale -- most academic libraries have an online subscription to this service), which is the english-speaking world's main index for music research; it should give you the most recent publications on EDM/IDM. On Apr 27, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Evan Caron wrote:

quoted 58 lines This paper isn't for any music theory class or

> This paper isn't for any music theory class or > anything. The topic came up within my cultural studies > class and I was the only one defending electronic and > experimental music. Mind you I do live in Montana and > most of my class are a bunch of ski bum morons. This > paper is more to just give them an idea of what I was > trying to say in a small amount of time in class. > > > --- Dennis DeSantis <dennis@dennisdesantis.com> wrote: >> Does this topic still need "defending"? >> I've studied at a variety of music schools and >> conservatories over the >> last 10ish years and have only come across a small >> handful of profs who >> still put academic music on a pedestal. This whole >> 50's-esque >> Modernist/progress vibe seems pretty well dead and >> gone in the academy - >> which I'm assuming is where you're writing your >> research paper? >> Sure, there are exceptions. But there are also >> serial killers. We >> don't treat either as if they're setting the bar. >> >> -- >> Dennis DeSantis >> www.dennisdesantis.com >> >> >> >> Evan Caron wrote: >>> So, I'm in the process of writing a research paper >> on >>> defending electronic music as a true form of >> music. I >>> guess I was just wondering if anyone on here knows >> of >>> any information on defending or enhancing this >> topic. >>> I have posted on other forums and such but have >> only >>> come up with the same things. Thanks for any info >> you >>> can give. Cheers! >>> >>> Evan >> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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