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2005-02-14 23:38chthonic>>I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than Plaid but, >>for all intent

From:: chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:38:20 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

quoted 1 line I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than

>>I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than

Plaid but,

quoted 4 lines for all intents and purposes, it's catchy, hooky, even pretty, like

>>for all intents and purposes, it's catchy, hooky, even pretty, like >>pop. > >i cannot agree with this any more. Amber is totally fucking pop.

pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, 'amber' is poppy if not actually pop. it's composed of short songs that build in fairly logical ways, has nice catchy melodies and pleasant sounds, with relatively simple beats. but it lacks the final components that IMO make it truly pop music. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-14 23:51ersatz-noddyI spoke too rashly. I used the term "pop" but not as an insult (it's not an insult to me).

From:: ersatz-noddy <noddy@ersatzdesign.com>
To:: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:51:20 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

I spoke too rashly. I used the term "pop" but not as an insult (it's not an insult to me). I merely meant it was more approachable, more melodic than their later material. That's all folks. m*

quoted 7 lines pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit,

> pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, > 'amber' is poppy if not actually pop. it's composed of short songs > that build in fairly logical ways, has nice catchy melodies and > pleasant sounds, with relatively simple beats. but it lacks the final > components that IMO make it truly pop music. > > d.

On 15/02/2005, at 0:38, chthonic wrote:

quoted 6 lines I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than

> >>> I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than > Plaid but, >>> for all intents and purposes, it's catchy, hooky, even pretty, like >>> pop. >>

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2005-02-15 00:15Tim Walterschthonic wrote: > pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, > 'am

From:: Tim Walters <walters@doubtfulpalace.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

chthonic wrote:

quoted 2 lines pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit,

> pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, > 'amber' is poppy if not actually pop.

If I put on my electronic-music-grad-student hat, all IDM is pop music. It's created in the commercial arena, and combines variations on popular rhythms with computer music techniques created in academia thirty years ago. If I take a more common-sense viewpoint, it's pretty clear to me that pop-ness is a continuum with Britney on one end and Xenakis on the other, and there's not much point in drawing a line somewhere and saying everything to one side is pop and everything else isn't--especially because how poppy something is has a very weak relationship to how good it is. Personally I'd rather listen to good pop music than bad art music, and vice versa. The first Autechre track I ever heard was "Gantz graf", and everything I've heard by them since has been pretty good, but a little bland compared to that. Maybe CONFIELD is what I need. -- THE DOUBTFUL PALACE Free exquisite music http://www.doubtfulpalace.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-16 05:57egyptian zombie robotflutter is one of the best tracks ever made. (it's on anti-ep) that is alll. -xenlab chtho

From:: egyptian zombie robot <eric@ezrpm.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:57:24 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

flutter is one of the best tracks ever made. (it's on anti-ep) that is alll. -xenlab chthonic wrote:

quoted 32 lines I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than

>>>I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than >>> >>> >Plaid but, > > >>>for all intents and purposes, it's catchy, hooky, even pretty, like >>>pop. >>> >>> >>i cannot agree with this any more. Amber is totally fucking pop. >> >> > >pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, >'amber' is poppy if not actually pop. it's composed of short songs >that build in fairly logical ways, has nice catchy melodies and >pleasant sounds, with relatively simple beats. but it lacks the final >components that IMO make it truly pop music. > >d. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >

2005-02-16 06:19chthonic streams>flutter is one of the best tracks ever made. (it's on anti-ep) i have thnat too, it's a g

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:19:29 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

quoted 1 line flutter is one of the best tracks ever made. (it's on anti-ep)

>flutter is one of the best tracks ever made. (it's on anti-ep)

i have thnat too, it's a great EP. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-14 23:55Greg Hillyeah, play this to someone who doesn't listen to Electronic music, and they will fall to t

From:: Greg Hill <cameron69@comcast.net>
To:: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:55:15 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

yeah, play this to someone who doesn't listen to Electronic music, and they will fall to the floor laughing when you call it "Pop" music...I call it GOOD music. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

quoted 21 lines I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than

> > >>I don't know. Amber to me is pop. Granted, it's murkier than > Plaid but, > >>for all intents and purposes, it's catchy, hooky, even pretty, like > >>pop. > > > >i cannot agree with this any more. Amber is totally fucking pop. > > pop is such a relative term. to people who are used to "out" shit, > 'amber' is poppy if not actually pop. it's composed of short songs > that build in fairly logical ways, has nice catchy melodies and > pleasant sounds, with relatively simple beats. but it lacks the final > components that IMO make it truly pop music. > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-15 00:15maxOn Feb 14, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Greg Hill wrote: > yeah, play this to someone who doesn't lis

From:: max <max0666@cox.net>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:15:24 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Greg Hill wrote:

quoted 5 lines yeah, play this to someone who doesn't listen to Electronic music, and

> yeah, play this to someone who doesn't listen to Electronic music, and > they > will fall to the floor laughing when you call it "Pop" music...I call > it > GOOD music.

Agreed! Though more likely than fall to the floor laughing they'd get a fit of the wiggles. Funny how in that 'IDM' death-thread from earlier i never saw anybody propose that {GOOD music} in their list of terms. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-15 00:20Tim Waltersmax wrote: > Funny how in that 'IDM' death-thread from earlier i never saw anybody > propo

From:: Tim Walters <walters@doubtfulpalace.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:20:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
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max wrote:

quoted 2 lines Funny how in that 'IDM' death-thread from earlier i never saw anybody

> Funny how in that 'IDM' death-thread from earlier i never saw anybody > propose that {GOOD music} in their list of terms.

Sometimes I think there should be only four electronic music genres: "the thumpy shit," "the twitchy shit," "the swirly shit," and "the noisy shit." You could, of course, combine them: "the thumpy-noisy shit," etc. At least we'd be less likely to see people trying to claim every piece of good music ever made for their subgenre, like what's-his-name does in THE AMBIENT CENTURY. -- THE DOUBTFUL PALACE Free exquisite music http://www.doubtfulpalace.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-15 18:01Theorema BinarioIDM is pop??? Wtf! You think some geeks doing math and geometry in Max/Msp/Jitter can be p

From:: Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:01:15 -0500
Subject:: [idm] Autechre Pop

IDM is pop??? Wtf! You think some geeks doing math and geometry in Max/Msp/Jitter can be pop? This is IDM too.. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:20:39 -0800 (PST), Tim Walters <walters@doubtfulpalace.com> wrote:

quoted 23 lines max wrote:

> max wrote: > > > Funny how in that 'IDM' death-thread from earlier i never saw anybody > > propose that {GOOD music} in their list of terms. > > Sometimes I think there should be only four electronic music genres: "the > thumpy shit," "the twitchy shit," "the swirly shit," and "the noisy shit." > You could, of course, combine them: "the thumpy-noisy shit," etc. > > At least we'd be less likely to see people trying to claim every piece of > good music ever made for their subgenre, like what's-his-name does in THE > AMBIENT CENTURY. > > -- > THE DOUBTFUL PALACE > Free exquisite music > http://www.doubtfulpalace.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-15 18:12Alan LucasOn Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:01:15 -0500, Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com> wrote: > IDM

From:: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com>
To:: Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:12:27 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:01:15 -0500, Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines IDM is pop??? Wtf! You think some geeks doing math and geometry in

> IDM is pop??? Wtf! You think some geeks doing math and geometry in > Max/Msp/Jitter can be pop? This is IDM too.. >

Given the insane breadth of what might be considered the IDM genre, yeah, IDM is totally pop. I mean, Styrofoam is completely pop. And yet he still probably can fit under the "IDM" umbrella. Plenty of Aphex stuff is poppy. Tons of Plaid stuff is pop. Morr and CCO are full of pop. Which brings us back to why IDM isn't really a genre, it's a mailing list. Alan np:Aphex:Alberto Balsam <<-----so totally pop. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-15 18:30Theorema BinarioJust because one man is stupid, you cant say all the humanity is stupid. Think about that.

From:: Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:30:46 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Autechre Pop

Just because one man is stupid, you cant say all the humanity is stupid. Think about that. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:12:27 -0500, Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 18 lines On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:01:15 -0500, Theorema Binario

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:01:15 -0500, Theorema Binario > <theorema.bin@gmail.com> wrote: > > IDM is pop??? Wtf! You think some geeks doing math and geometry in > > Max/Msp/Jitter can be pop? This is IDM too.. > > > > Given the insane breadth of what might be considered the IDM genre, > yeah, IDM is totally pop. I mean, Styrofoam is completely pop. And yet > he still probably can fit under the "IDM" umbrella. Plenty of Aphex > stuff is poppy. Tons of Plaid stuff is pop. Morr and CCO are full of > pop. > > Which brings us back to why IDM isn't really a genre, it's a mailing list. > > Alan > > np:Aphex:Alberto Balsam <<-----so totally pop. >

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