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quoted 3 lines I'm not familiar with Air enough to say.

>I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. > >But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of

IDM.

quoted 6 lines They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded,

> >They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, >which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. > >Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being >a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones.

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Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When artists have all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the genre, that's when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to say they aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be wrong though, I just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin suicide soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre because they have a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified, they might as well be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or aphex clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad electronics now taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their own. -sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote:

quoted 23 lines I'm not familiar with Air enough to say.

> > >I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. > > > >But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of > IDM. > > > >They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, > >which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. > > > >Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being > >a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. > > that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. > > </snark> > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music more 'intelligent'? Paul Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) wrote:

quoted 61 lines Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When artists have

>Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When artists have >all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the genre, that's >when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to say they >aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be wrong though, I >just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin suicide >soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre because they have >a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified, they might as well >be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or aphex >clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad electronics now >taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their own. > >-sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com > >On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: > > > >>>I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. >>> >>>But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of >>> >>> >>IDM. >> >> >>>They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, >>>which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. >>> >>>Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being >>>a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. >>> >>> >>that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. >> >></snark> >> >>d. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > >-- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) >-- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com >-- Broadway Internet > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

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Do we really need to be having the "IDM - genre or email list, good name or bad name" discussion again? It seems so soon after the last one. I much prefer the top 10 lists, with or without descriptions (google still works for me, even if it's apparently broken for other people) Also I'd like to add that if you use the words "Intelligent Dance Music" over here in the States, you're likely to get the same reaction. And also the term was likely started over there in the UK, considering its early example labels (B12, BDP, GPR, Warp, ART). And music is more intelligent if I listen to it. -Adam P. Paul Thomas wrote:

quoted 80 lines I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans

> I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music > more 'intelligent'? > > Paul > > Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) wrote: > >> Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When >> artists have all of these elements including loads that have nothing >> todo with the genre, that's when they sortof become something of their >> own. It may be nitpicky to say they aren't, but it was just too much >> lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be wrong though, I just distinctly >> remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin suicide >> soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre >> because they have a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not >> isn't really justified, they might as well be pushed into something >> else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or aphex clones, I'm >> talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad electronics now >> taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of >> their own. >> >> -sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com >> >> On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: >> >> >> >>>> I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. >>>> >>>> But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of >>> >>> IDM. >>> >>> >>>> They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, >>>> which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. >>>> >>>> Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being >>>> a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. >>>> >>> >>> that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. >>> >>> </snark> >>> >>> d. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) >> : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) >> -- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com >> -- Broadway Internet >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:28:11 -0500, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:

quoted 3 lines Do we really need to be having the "IDM - genre or email list, good name

> Do we really need to be having the "IDM - genre or email list, good name > or bad name" discussion again? It seems so soon after the last one. >

Oh yes! Let's! And while we're at it, how the hell do you pronouce Autechre? Is Bjork IDM? Later, Alan np:Bitstream:Radiotherapy (on my top 10 (or so) list) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Nobody in any country uses the term Intelligent in any conceited way, it's more pun if anything. For someone to think Americans actually use the word in a literal pedestal fashion is absurd. Furthermore, Americans didn't even come up with it, heh. :) -sine On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:11, Paul Thomas wrote:

quoted 79 lines I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans

> I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music > more 'intelligent'? > > Paul > > Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) wrote: > > >Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When artists have > >all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the genre, that's > >when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to say they > >aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be wrong though, I > >just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin suicide > >soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre because they have > >a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified, they might as well > >be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or aphex > >clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad electronics now > >taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their own. > > > >-sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com > > > >On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: > > > > > > > >>>I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. > >>> > >>>But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of > >>> > >>> > >>IDM. > >> > >> > >>>They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, > >>>which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. > >>> > >>>Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being > >>>a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. > >>> > >>> > >>that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. > >> > >></snark> > >> > >>d. > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) > >-- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com > >-- Broadway Internet > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Sorry mate, I call bullshit. The only other people I've ever heard using the term is Americans, over the internet and I've been in plenty of places where it would have been used. Also, the reply : "Oh we were being ironic, didn't you know... <cue pitying glace>" is pretty poor. Paul -----Original Message----- From: CTubbs [mailto:tubbs@wispdirect.com] Sent: 17 December 2004 18:40 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] send in the clones Nobody in any country uses the term Intelligent in any conceited way, it's more pun if anything. For someone to think Americans actually use the word in a literal pedestal fashion is absurd. Furthermore, Americans didn't even come up with it, heh. :) -sine On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:11, Paul Thomas wrote:

quoted 12 lines I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans

> I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music > more 'intelligent'? > > Paul > > Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) wrote: > > >Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When

artists have

quoted 1 line all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the

> >all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the

genre, that's

quoted 1 line when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to

> >when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to

say they

quoted 1 line aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be

> >aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be

wrong though, I

quoted 1 line just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin

> >just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin

suicide

quoted 1 line soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre

> >soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre

because they have

quoted 1 line a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified,

> >a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified,

they might as well

quoted 1 line be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or

> >be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or

aphex

quoted 1 line clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad

> >clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad

electronics now

quoted 1 line taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their

> >taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their

own.

quoted 58 lines -sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com

> > > >-sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com > > > >On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: > > > > > > > >>>I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. > >>> > >>>But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of > >>> > >>> > >>IDM. > >> > >> > >>>They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, > >>>which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. > >>> > >>>Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being > >>>a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. > >>> > >>> > >>that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. > >> > >></snark> > >> > >>d. > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) > >-- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com > >-- Broadway Internet > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Using the term and actually believing you're on a another level is two different things. People who actually create music or disect its elements can find sometimes that idm can be more intellectually stimulating than others things, for example, some electronica/techno is HIGHLY repetative, which is loved by some, hated by others. Depends on your environment... repetative is good on the dance floor, but if I'm at home, it's severely boring. -sine On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:46, Paul Thomas wrote:

quoted 132 lines Sorry mate, I call bullshit. The only other people I've ever heard using

> Sorry mate, I call bullshit. The only other people I've ever heard using > the term is Americans, over the internet and I've been in plenty of places > where it would have been used. Also, the reply : "Oh we were being ironic, > didn't you know... <cue pitying glace>" is pretty poor. > > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: CTubbs [mailto:tubbs@wispdirect.com] > Sent: 17 December 2004 18:40 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] send in the clones > > > Nobody in any country uses the term Intelligent in any conceited > way, it's more pun if anything. For someone to think Americans > actually use the word in a literal pedestal fashion is absurd. > Furthermore, Americans didn't even come up with it, heh. :) > > -sine > > On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:11, Paul Thomas wrote: > > > I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans > > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self > > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent > > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and > > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music > > more 'intelligent'? > > > > Paul > > > > Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) wrote: > > > > >Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When > artists have > > >all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the > genre, that's > > >when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to > say they > > >aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be > wrong though, I > > >just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin > suicide > > >soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre > because they have > > >a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified, > they might as well > > >be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or > aphex > > >clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad > electronics now > > >taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their > own. > > > > > >-sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com > > > > > >On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>>I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. > > >>> > > >>>But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of > > >>> > > >>> > > >>IDM. > > >> > > >> > > >>>They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, > > >>>which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. > > >>> > > >>>Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being > > >>>a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. > > >> > > >></snark> > > >> > > >>d. > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > > > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) > > >-- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com > > >-- Broadway Internet > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) > -- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com > -- Broadway Internet > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:11, Paul Thomas wrote:

quoted 6 lines I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans

> I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted Americans > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words "Intelligent > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely indeed and > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain music > more 'intelligent'?

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quoted 4 lines Sorry mate, I call bullshit. The only other people I've ever heard using

> Sorry mate, I call bullshit. The only other people I've ever heard using > the term is Americans, over the internet and I've been in plenty of places > where it would have been used. Also, the reply : "Oh we were being > ironic, didn't you know... <cue pitying glace>" is pretty poor.

To leap at one's keyboard, a tad foamy at the mouth, and scold Americans for their use of a particular term while openly admitting the value UKians place on terminology (by virtue of their strange looks, "quite rightly too"), is, to me, the very definition of ironic. But to answer your question (what makes certain music more 'intelligent') we need only consider the negative case. If no one piece of music is more intelligent than another then Vivaldi = Brittney Spears. And that, friends, is the definition of absurd. -- V, ~Rick Strom Free Image Hosting: http://www.glowfoto.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 9 lines Unfortunately, I think IDM STARTED as a grey zone, but to be honest,

> > Unfortunately, I think IDM STARTED as a grey zone, but to be honest, > it is something very difinite, and solid now. To me IDm is the Warp > and warp derived stuff (Reflex, Merk, Skam, etc etc). So, to say, > it's clicky beats, hiphop-ish based rhythum, and digtial noises... > certainly this does go in a few different directions, but when peopel > say IDM to me, I think of a sound that is, on the whole, quite > homogenious. >

Yeah exactly. It started out a kinda miscellaneous bin for electronic music that wasn't intended for the dance floor, experimental b-sides ranging from detroit's founders (I mean come on 1/2 of Mike Paradinas' melodies on lunatic harness are from Model 500) to where-ever, santiago, chile? Germany? etc, but it's become a style via ppl relentlessly fucking the corpses of twin, pusher, and then americans made glitch-hop big via prefuse, machine drum, etc. there's always signs of hope, edIT's glitch-hop doesn't sound anything like prefuse, but for the most part clones after clones after clones after clones after clones after clones have really totally and completely ruined a lot of idm for me. I've written for magazines for 5 years now, and everytime I pop a cd in and hear those first few bars of apex-esque melody, i just kinda sigh, grin, and give it a bad review. But I've been complaining about this for years now, and the last few years I've heard some at least individual-ee idm: secret mommy, RA, Global Goon, the new Emotional Joystick, well when I think about it though, these dues are about 1 in 300 promo wise and unfortunately when you have to wave through 300 promos to find on decent CD you know the market is flooded with shitty music and people are simply going to get sick of it. happened to emo rock, has happened to idm.

quoted 25 lines Like I said, it used to be way more open ended, but I think it's quite

> Like I said, it used to be way more open ended, but I think it's quite > limited now. I don't know why it changes, maybe the availability of > software, maybe the bredth of the community itself, or mayeb the lack > of diversity in the community.. dunno, but I do think it's different > now than 4 years ago for sure. > > Just my 2 cents though... > Jason F > > >> >> On 17 Dec 2004 at 18:11, Paul Thomas wrote: >> >> > I thought that idm is just a ghey label thought up by conceted >> Americans >> > who feel the need to categorize their tastes in some kind of self >> > important way. Over here in the UK if you use the words >> "Intelligent >> > Dance Music" people will generally look at you very strangely >> indeed and >> > if I'm honest, quite rightly too, I think... What makes certain >> music >> > more 'intelligent'? >> >>

The irony of IDM is that it's not really the most intelligent dance music out there anymore. i mean Matthew Herbert or any of scores of tech or experimental microtonal dudes are making music with far more intellectual conceits behind it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements.

>Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements.

When artists have

quoted 1 line all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with

>all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with

the genre, that's

quoted 1 line when they sortof become something of their own. It may be

>when they sortof become something of their own. It may be

nitpicky to say they

quoted 1 line aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be

>aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be

wrong though, I

quoted 1 line just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like

>just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like

the virgin suicide

quoted 1 line soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre

>soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre

because they have

quoted 1 line a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified,

>a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified,

they might as well

quoted 1 line be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about

>be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about

autechre or aphex

quoted 1 line clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using

>clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using

mad electronics now

quoted 1 line taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming

>taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming

something of their own. sure, i see what you mean. just playing around. i think it's too much similarity that stifles a genre (or something that's called one that really isn't). still, it's hard to know how much "something else" a style of music can take before it's no longer that music. the sad thing is i can barely use the word industrial anymore becuse most people think that means cheesy electro-dance with rock/metal guitars and effected screaming. so i understand the impulse to draw the line somewhere. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think i'm on the IDM is a mailing list not a genre team though. Because as a genre is makes no sense. I mean...are the squarepusher tracks here he plays bass not IDM? What about the whole Morr music catalog? I think compared to other ways of labeling and discussing music, IDM is inclusive of the tangents... I definitely get what you're saying. I think of it as so many shades of grey i guess. --- WRECKED diy electronic music & media http://wrecked-distro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect)" <tubbs@wispdirect.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [idm] send in the clones

quoted 62 lines Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When

> Nothing has to be limited, but IDM does have it's own elements. When > artists have > all of these elements including loads that have nothing todo with the > genre, that's > when they sortof become something of their own. It may be nitpicky to say > they > aren't, but it was just too much lyrical guitar rock to me. I may be > wrong though, I > just distinctly remember not liking how much they sounded like the virgin > suicide > soundtrack that Air did. And to just push them into the idm genre because > they have > a bit of idm relation INSIDE of loads that's not isn't really justified, > they might as well > be pushed into something else. Nobody is even talking about autechre or > aphex > clones, I'm talking about indie/post rock bands that are using mad > electronics now > taking their own turn, not becoming idm, but becoming something of their > own. > > -sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com > > On 17 Dec 2004 at 9:47, chthonic wrote: > >> >> >I'm not familiar with Air enough to say. >> > >> >But aesthetically I'd count M83's sound as tangential to alot of >> IDM. >> > >> >They are as heavily electronic and independant-minded, >> >which is really the only definition of IDM i can come up with. >> > >> >Don't mean to nitpick - I just think of IDM as being >> >a very general thing rather than limited to autechre clones. >> >> that's right - you have to include all the aphex twin clones too. >> >> </snark> >> >> d. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > -- Cody Tubbs : (Certified Master Linux Administrator) > : (Certified Unix Security Specialist) > -- wISPdirect : http://www.wISPdirect.com > -- Broadway Internet > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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quoted 6 lines I think i'm on the IDM is a mailing list not a genre team though.

> I think i'm on the IDM is a mailing list not a genre team though. > > Because as a genre is makes no sense. I mean...are the squarepusher > tracks here he plays bass not IDM? What about the whole Morr music > catalog? I think compared to other ways of labeling and discussing > music, IDM is inclusive of the tangents...

I don't really care what people call things, but open-mindedness to different sounds and different styles, and blurring of boundaries between them is usually a good thing. It's always nice to hear a record that doens't just fit into a genre and then continue exactly as you'd expect something of that genre to continue - that's half the fun of 'progressive' music. So provided that we can continue to discuss things coming from detroit techno, drum and bass, ambient, post rock, abstract glitch, electro and hip hop as well as Autechre clones I'll be happy whether we call it IDM or not. My favorite things I've bought this year have included Secret Frequency Crew - Forest of Echo Down (case in point - my first response when the brass came in was 'ug - this is trip hop. I don't like trip hop.' But then I realised what I was doing, and that it was actually just top music.) Hamijama - their side of the split 12" with Diamond Ice. V/A The Delivery Room (Leaf) (proper eclectic.) Shitmat - Full English Breakfest (if only for the silliest inlay card of the year.) The Futureheads - The Futureheads (second time this has come up on idml - invasion of the indie-kids!) This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org