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At 07:11 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines Without a doubt the best article I've seen written on the subject!

>Without a doubt the best article I've seen written on the subject! > >Protection schemes, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and lawsuits >against file sharers are not going to save the music business. >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1537393,00.asp

You know, you'd think that a music lover like myself would be more interested in these types of articles. I'm not saying that your post is dumb, mind (far from it), but stating my own position. I fiddle around with music, I buy music from small labels, I see a few good live shows. The "music industry" can't say that I'm not an interested party. However, *I* can say that there's nothing that the "industry" does that interests me, and the more "culturally aware" it tries to be while pulling stunts like the DMCA and RIAA's lawsuits makes me care less and less about what they're doing. When I see things like "We've lost XXX million dollars due to piracy" I don't think "That's awful" or "Serves them right," just "meh, sounds like they need to change their business strategy." I know that very few on the list really buy much music from the big record labels who are the most affected by this, and plenty of them do their part to support the small labels, but, man, outside of generic apathy it kind of makes me happy to hear about bad news for the big labels. The harder times they have, the more likely the little guys will get some exposure. When you're losing however many millions of dollars, you shouldn't be able to buy up and manufacture that many bands. -- eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well, I think one thing that applies to all of us small label buying people is that with Napster gone, exposure for a lot of these smaller labels is also gone. I'm sure that plenty of people picked up tons of unknown-to-them stuff (and maybe went and bought it) just because they found it out there on Napster. It didn't just help the biggies is all I'm saying. Apart from that, I agree with you completely, Derek. Later, Alan np:SlagBoomVanLoon Quoting EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com>:

quoted 36 lines At 07:11 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote:

> At 07:11 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: > >Without a doubt the best article I've seen written on the subject! > > > >Protection schemes, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and lawsuits > >against file sharers are not going to save the music business. > >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1537393,00.asp > > You know, you'd think that a music lover like myself would be more > interested in these types of articles. I'm not saying that your post is > dumb, mind (far from it), but stating my own position. I fiddle around > with music, I buy music from small labels, I see a few good live > shows. The "music industry" can't say that I'm not an interested > party. However, *I* can say that there's nothing that the "industry" does > that interests me, and the more "culturally aware" it tries to be while > pulling stunts like the DMCA and RIAA's lawsuits makes me care less and > less about what they're doing. When I see things like "We've lost XXX > million dollars due to piracy" I don't think "That's awful" or "Serves them > right," just "meh, sounds like they need to change their business strategy." > > I know that very few on the list really buy much music from the big record > labels who are the most affected by this, and plenty of them do their part > to support the small labels, but, man, outside of generic apathy it kind of > makes me happy to hear about bad news for the big labels. The harder times > they have, the more likely the little guys will get some exposure. When > you're losing however many millions of dollars, you shouldn't be able to > buy up and manufacture that many bands. > > -- > eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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At 10:14 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines Well, I think one thing that applies to all of us small label buying people is

>Well, I think one thing that applies to all of us small label buying people is >that with Napster gone, exposure for a lot of these smaller labels is also >gone. >I'm sure that plenty of people picked up tons of unknown-to-them stuff (and >maybe went and bought it) just because they found it out there on Napster.

I'm not so sure about napster, but definitely things like Soulseek help the smaller labels. I think that's mostly due to the emphasis on discussion. People don't really care where they get their mp3s, I think, and if you can get samples from a label's website I think some people even prefer that to simply ripping off the entire album (as a means of listening to it before buying or to judge whether to buy). I mean, I know for a fact that resources like this list has led me to a lot of music and still does when I'm feeling adventurous. That's not necessarily because I can download it for free, but rather because I can talk to people who feel the same way. Communities like this are far easier to find and join compared to v. large and specific groups, in my opinion. -- eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I see your point but did you read the article? Nevermind the fact that we could care less what happens to the majors. The article approaches the topic in a manner I've never seen written publicly. Basically stating that P2P does so much more for the industry than people care to recognize and echoes a lot of what folks like us have been saying for quite some time - greater exposure to music = more sales not less. Really a great article imo. Personally, I preview a great deal of my music from the newsgroups (alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic). I then take what I enjoy, buy it online and stream on StaticBeats webcast (http://www.staticbeats.com/webcast) along with everything else I've bought from skimo, fe, boomkat juno, etc.. People tune in to the webcast and in turn go find the music and buy it themselves. Anyhow, maybe it's just an old topic.... Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com http://www.moonlight-toys.com Eggystoast wrote: You know, you'd think that a music lover like myself would be more interested in these types of articles. I'm not saying that your post is dumb, mind (far from it), but stating my own position. I fiddle around with music, I buy music from small labels, I see a few good live shows. The "music industry" can't say that I'm not an interested party. However, *I* can say that there's nothing that the "industry" does that interests me, and the more "culturally aware" it tries to be while pulling stunts like the DMCA and RIAA's lawsuits makes me care less and less about what they're doing. When I see things like "We've lost XXX million dollars due to piracy" I don't think "That's awful" or "Serves them right," just "meh, sounds like they need to change their business strategy." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines Personally, I preview a great deal of my music from the newsgroups

> >Personally, I preview a great deal of my music from the newsgroups >(alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic). I then take what I enjoy, buy it >online and stream on StaticBeats webcast >(http://www.staticbeats.com/webcast) along with everything else I've bought >from skimo, fe, boomkat juno, etc.. People tune in to the webcast and in >turn go find the music and buy it themselves.

Just latching on to the last part of what Shimone said - I think the bit about buying the music in some form is crucial. I don't want to open the whole downloading can of worms, but at some point the practical consequences of nobody paying seem rather obvious. And I would add that *I* find it just as important to support people like David Hogson (Playing By Ear = playing.by.ear@mindspring.com) and PJ Dorsey (S://kimo = support@skimo.com ) as they ~are~ the smalltown "mom and pop" corner stores of the electronic music world. You can add your local shops and others doing what they do to the list (for instance, Chris Twomey is now doing New Power from Canada = newpower@interlog.com ) , Smallfish and Boomkat across the pond, etc). Personally I want to keep these lines of distribution open and the only way to do that is to support them by buying the stuff I want from **them**. The biggies make enough on other stuff and these people get (listen and understand) things they won't know about anyway. These days I would even call Forced Exposure somewhat of a "biggie", often undercutting the smaller shops they supply and making it hard for them to survive. I'm lucky enough to live near Detroit and can get a lot of great stuff in many good shops (e.g., Record Time), but I have to say that David, PJ and Chris all have things on their update lists that I won't see on the racks and I'd have to pay a fortune to have shipped - and the dollar vs. the euro sure isn't making imports easier, let alone customs hassles. Since 911 the "small guys" really have taken a sharp drop in sales. Not to get up on a soapbox, but they really do need the support of this community to survive. If you have troubles finding the new sounds you need, do yourself a favor and get on their update lists. You won't regret it. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org