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2002-12-03 12:30..chris°° [idm] john cage?
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└─ 2002-12-03 17:51Irene McC Re: [idm] john cage?
2002-12-03 17:11Patrick Norris Re: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?)
2002-12-03 17:26mogyn bach RE: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?)
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└─ 2002-12-04 16:05Brandon Tallent RE: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?)
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2002-12-03 12:30..chris°°hmm, not really idm... nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that
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hmm, not really idm... nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that comes close to the piano-tracks on drukqs? i think these tracks are sooo lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that they are so short. any suggestions? thanx! tetje ° ° ° ° ° °° ° °° °° ° ° °
2002-12-03 12:45MuffinBuy the complete works of Eric Satie ... Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD
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Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD set at home and it's lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is music that is supposed to not be listened to. on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name ..chris°° at Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake :
quoted 14 lines hmm, not really idm...> hmm, not really idm... > nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that comes close > to the piano-tracks on drukqs? > i think these tracks are sooo lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that > they are so short. > any suggestions? > thanx! > > > tetje > > ° ° ° ° ° > °° ° °° °° ° > ° °
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2002-12-03 12:49Monkeyboyand also prepared piano by john cage... can't really say if that's the name of the cd, but
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and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really say if that's the name of the cd, but anyway.. look for prepared piano .a
quoted 31 lines Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ...> Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... > > Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD set at home and it's > lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is music that is supposed to not > be listened to. > > on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name ..chris°° at > Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake : > >> hmm, not really idm... >> nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that comes >> close >> to the piano-tracks on drukqs? >> i think these tracks are sooo lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that >> they are so short. >> any suggestions? >> thanx! >> >> >> tetje >> >> ° ° ° ° ° >> °° ° °° °° ° >> ° ° > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-12-03 14:47Brandon TallentSpeaking of prepared piano, I found this article on the warp site awhile back. It's intere
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Speaking of prepared piano, I found this article on the warp site awhile back. It's interesting. http://www.warprecords.com/artists/news.php?offset=0&ti_id=516&filter=afx Brandon --- Monkeyboy <monkeyboy@elstudion.com> wrote:
quoted 40 lines and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really> and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really > say if that's the name > of the cd, but anyway.. look for prepared piano > > .a > > > > Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... > > > > Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD > set at home and it's > > lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is > music that is supposed to not > > be listened to. > > > > on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name > ..chris?? at > > Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake : > > > >> hmm, not really idm... > >> nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe > by john cage) that comes > >> close > >> to the piano-tracks on drukqs? > >> i think these tracks are sooo > lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that > >> they are so short. > >> any suggestions? > >> thanx! > >> > >> > >> tetje > >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? > >> ?? ? ?? ?? ? > >> ? ? > > > > > > >
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2002-12-03 17:51Irene McCOn 3 Dec 2002 at 13:30, ..chris°° wrote: > can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage)
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On 3 Dec 2002 at 13:30, ..chris°° wrote:
quoted 2 lines can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that comes> can someone recommend a cd (maybe by john cage) that comes > close to the piano-tracks on drukqs?
I think, far more than John Cage, the piano bits are very reminiscent of Erik Satie. Not just the obvious Gymnopedies & Gnostiennes, but also his other piano works, ALL of which are worth hunting down! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-12-03 17:11Patrick NorrisThanks The artical was informative..I was wondering how aphex got his "unplayable" piano p
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Thanks The artical was informative..I was wondering how aphex got his "unplayable" piano parts from a real piano without using computers and samples. Pats
quoted 79 lines From: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com>>From: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com> >To: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?) >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) > >Speaking of prepared piano, I found this article on >the warp site awhile back. It's interesting. > >http://www.warprecords.com/artists/news.php?offset=0&ti_id=516&filter=afx > >Brandon > >--- Monkeyboy <monkeyboy@elstudion.com> wrote: > > and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really > > say if that's the name > > of the cd, but anyway.. look for prepared piano > > > > .a > > > > > > > Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... > > > > > > Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD > > set at home and it's > > > lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is > > music that is supposed to not > > > be listened to. > > > > > > on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name > > ..chris?? at > > > Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake : > > > > > >> hmm, not really idm... > > >> nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe > > by john cage) that comes > > >> close > > >> to the piano-tracks on drukqs? > > >> i think these tracks are sooo > > lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that > > >> they are so short. > > >> any suggestions? > > >> thanx! > > >> > > >> > > >> tetje > > >> > > >> ? ? ? ? ? > > >> ?? ? ?? ?? ? > > >> ? ? > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-12-03 17:26mogyn bachcant remember what it's called. He used a Grand piano which is midi controlled dont know i
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cant remember what it's called. He used a Grand piano which is midi controlled dont know if that was in the article or what, i read it a while back. anyway, didn't afx sequence the piano tracks using midi? i thought that by unplayable it meant that one person couldn't play the piece, because there's loads of separate parts going on. correct me if i'm wrong on this, not that it matters.
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quoted 97 lines Thanks>Thanks >The artical was informative..I was wondering how aphex got his "unplayable" >piano parts from a real piano without using computers and samples. > >Pats > > > >>From: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com> >>To: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> >>Subject: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?) >>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) >> >>Speaking of prepared piano, I found this article on >>the warp site awhile back. It's interesting. >> >>http://www.warprecords.com/artists/news.php?offset=0&ti_id=516&filter=afx >> >>Brandon >> >>--- Monkeyboy <monkeyboy@elstudion.com> wrote: >> > and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really >> > say if that's the name >> > of the cd, but anyway.. look for prepared piano >> > >> > .a >> > >> > >> > > Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... >> > > >> > > Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD >> > set at home and it's >> > > lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is >> > music that is supposed to not >> > > be listened to. >> > > >> > > on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name >> > ..chris°° at >> > > Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake : >> > > >> > >> hmm, not really idm... >> > >> nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe >> > by john cage) that comes >> > >> close >> > >> to the piano-tracks on drukqs? >> > >> i think these tracks are sooo >> > lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that >> > >> they are so short. >> > >> any suggestions? >> > >> thanx! >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> tetje >> > >> >> > >> ° ° ° ° ° >> > >> °° ° °° °° ° >> > >> ° ° >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >Idm @ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-12-03 17:33Patrick NorrisFrom what I've read about that tracks (enclosed artical and afx interviews your correct in
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From what I've read about that tracks (enclosed artical and afx interviews your correct in your assumption..the "unplayable" is in quotes because in one of the interviews it's how he reffered to them..and yes they were sequenced on a computer but triggered by a disclavier which is a real piano that's hammers can be triggered using midi signals...so the sound was in effect recorded live and not sequenced post sampling..that's what I was trying to say earlier...hope I helped. It doesn't really change things to know I just like knowing. Pats
quoted 117 lines From: mogyn bach <C.J.Scarratt@newcastle.ac.uk>>From: mogyn bach <C.J.Scarratt@newcastle.ac.uk> >To: "Patrick Norris" <untitledartist@hotmail.com>, idm <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?) >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:26:36 +0000 > >cant remember what it's called. He used a Grand piano which is midi >controlled >dont know if that was in the article or what, i read it a while back. >anyway, >didn't afx sequence the piano tracks using midi? i thought that by >unplayable >it meant that one person couldn't play the piece, because there's loads of >separate parts going on. correct me if i'm wrong on this, not that it >matters. > > > > >===== Original Message From "Patrick Norris" <untitledartist@hotmail.com> >===== > >Thanks > >The artical was informative..I was wondering how aphex got his >"unplayable" > >piano parts from a real piano without using computers and samples. > > > >Pats > > > > > > > >>From: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com> > >>To: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> > >>Subject: [idm] prepared piano (was john cage?) > >>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) > >> > >>Speaking of prepared piano, I found this article on > >>the warp site awhile back. It's interesting. > >> > >>http://www.warprecords.com/artists/news.php?offset=0&ti_id=516&filter=afx > >> > >>Brandon > >> > >>--- Monkeyboy <monkeyboy@elstudion.com> wrote: > >> > and also prepared piano by john cage... can't really > >> > say if that's the name > >> > of the cd, but anyway.. look for prepared piano > >> > > >> > .a > >> > > >> > > >> > > Buy the complete works of Eric Satie ... > >> > > > >> > > Sorry I can't be more precise, but I've got a 5CD > >> > set at home and it's > >> > > lovely. Satie composed muzak as well, that is > >> > music that is supposed to not > >> > > be listened to. > >> > > > >> > > on 3/12/02 12:30 pm the person going by the name > >> > ..chris?? at > >> > > Chris-Griffin@Web.de spake : > >> > > > >> > >> hmm, not really idm... > >> > >> nevertheless, can someone recommend a cd (maybe > >> > by john cage) that comes > >> > >> close > >> > >> to the piano-tracks on drukqs? > >> > >> i think these tracks are sooo > >> > lovely/melancholic/whatever. it`s a shame that > >> > >> they are so short. > >> > >> any suggestions? > >> > >> thanx! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> tetje > >> > >> > >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? > >> > >> ?? ? ?? ?? ? > >> > >> ? ? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >Idm @ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-12-04 15:25George WilliamsonHas anyone heard any of the works of Conlon Nancarrow? His works for player piano (you kno
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Has anyone heard any of the works of Conlon Nancarrow? His works for player piano (you know the pianos with drums of music on metal tape, sometimes called pianolas) are fantastic, often reminiscent of Autechre's rhythms on Confield, some really great stuff. For interested people you can hear a sample here: http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/495.html or http://news.mpr.org/features/199710/29_bakera_nancarrow/ Very, very interesting and not in a Stockhausen unlistenable way either. Genuinely pleasant too. But as aforementioned Satie is the closest to the Drukqs piano tracks. cheerio george --- It bleeps. It skronks. It krrraaaanks. georgewilliamson@btinternet.com http://www16.brinkster.com/elephants --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-12-04 16:05Brandon TallentThanks for the link! It's posts like this that make wading through all of the advertisemen
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Thanks for the link! It's posts like this that make wading through all of the advertisements and discussions of 'most idm xxx' worth it. I'd never heard of this composer, but I listened to the tracks and they sound very cool. I did some searching and found Nancarrow's five volume prepared piano set here: http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/wergo.germany.html Looks like they also had the works for prepared piano cds that were being discussed earlier on the same page. Brandon --- George Williamson <georgewilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines Has anyone heard any of the works of Conlon> Has anyone heard any of the works of Conlon > Nancarrow? His works for player > piano (you know the pianos with drums of music on > metal tape, sometimes > called pianolas) are fantastic, often reminiscent of > Autechre's rhythms on > Confield, some really great stuff. > > For interested people you can hear a sample here: > > http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/495.html > > or > >
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quoted 20 lines Very, very interesting and not in a Stockhausen> > Very, very interesting and not in a Stockhausen > unlistenable way either. > Genuinely pleasant too. > > But as aforementioned Satie is the closest to the > Drukqs piano tracks. > > cheerio > > george > > --- > It bleeps. It skronks. It krrraaaanks. > georgewilliamson@btinternet.com > http://www16.brinkster.com/elephants > > > >
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2002-12-04 16:22EggyToast>Thanks for the link! It's posts like this that make >wading through all of the advertisem
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quoted 3 lines Thanks for the link! It's posts like this that make>Thanks for the link! It's posts like this that make >wading through all of the advertisements and >discussions of 'most idm xxx' worth it.
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2002-12-04 16:37Brandon TallentWell, I'm going to contradict myself but I can't help participating in this one :) Traci L
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Well, I'm going to contradict myself but I can't help participating in this one :) Traci Lords (70s/80s porn star) had a short stint as a techno artist, Juno Reactor worked with her on a few tracks. Not exactly IDM but perhaps as close as you'd find in porn. Brandon --- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote:
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