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ah! the age-old storage question. so many cds (and vinyl, etc.), so little room... there's no doubt that this becomes a thorny problem for most, especially when the collection reaches fairly voluminous proportions, and storage space is at a premium. i know that numerous friends of mine who live in the vast environs of new york/brooklyn/san francisco have this problem in extremis, especially when they live in somewhat small apartments. i'm fortunate having been a homeowner for the past 12 years and have always had a room of sorts to house my music. and as i now have on the order of 7000+ cds (5500 of which are in the electronic/experimental realm) and climbing, even at this point my current storagespace is pushing the envelope. personally, i have done the following. trust me when i tell you that conventional storage racks (i.e., the ones of various twists and sizes you can obtain in any record store or home furnishings/storage shops) become useless once your collection starts going beyond the several hundred-range. at that point, you will have to make a hefty investment in said racks, and the ones that can store over 125 discs usually start inching up in price beyond $60, $70 bucks (i'm not exactly accurate here, but they are pricey depending on the aesthetic look of them). so what i eventually went to has no doubt been the most cost-effective way: simply going into your local home depot (or equivalent), picking up very inexpensive pinewood planking (standard size 7" w x 6, 8, 10 or 12' l), having them cut to appropriate lengths, then obtaining 5"h x 5"w x 3 3/4"l woodblock. i use the blocks for shelf supports, as the height is perfectly suited for cd storage, and the shelf is just deep enough. paint and set-up, and voilàóinstant storage shelves. a drawback is that depending on the length of your shelf, the wood eventually does warp (you can of course counter this with a higher quality wood, but then the expense goes up again), but they've worked fine for me because i have carted them around the country for years, and just cut them (or added on) to fit depending on my room size. in any event, even though they're not the most gorgeous things known to man to look at, realistically they do the job and do it well, and they don't actually look half-bad. what i use might not be quite what you're looking for, but...be prepared to spend your shirt on fancy disc racks. sure, some work fine for a lot of people, but, again, those on this list whose collection goes into the thousands usually have to resort to shelves or bookcases of some kind. curious to see how other people have done this. darrenb component wrote:

quoted 18 lines Since people on this list probably on average have 10x more cds than most people,

> Since people on this list probably on average have 10x more cds than most people, > I figured this is the place to ask. > > I need a new cd rack. Something to hold 600 or so cds. > Anyone have any recommendations ? > I have a boltz unit right now(which I like) and a hideous bookshelf > I want to get rid of. I just need alot more room. > > Ok and to keep this post on topic: Astrobotnia is really good! > > Rob > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 7/14/02 9:23 AM, ubikman at ubikman@optonline.net scrawled:

quoted 3 lines personally, i have done the following. trust me when i tell you that

> personally, i have done the following. trust me when i tell you that > conventional storage racks become useless once your collection starts going > beyond the several hundred-range.

why not just ditch the cases and stash everything in containers/booklets? You need about way less space per CD. CD packaging is excessive anyways, if you really need to know the name of a track, or who the sound engineer was for a certain session - look it up online! ~g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ubikman <ubikman@optonline.net> writes:

quoted 1 line curious to see how other people have done this.

> curious to see how other people have done this.

I'm using one of those deep metal file cabinets. Most of them have drawers that are much too high to store CDs in, but I got one with half height drawers, which it just perfect. That's about 1100 cd'd in one 70x130x40cm cabinet. I need a couple of new ones, though. Or perhaps just one 240cm high cabinet... They might look a bit odd in your living room, though, unless you're going for that cozy office ambiance. And they're probably not cheap, unless you know somebody who has some that fell off a truck. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Greg Smith wrote:

quoted 4 lines why not just ditch the cases and stash everything in containers/booklets?

> why not just ditch the cases and stash everything in containers/booklets? > You need about way less space per CD. CD packaging is excessive anyways, if > you really need to know the name of a track, or who the sound engineer was > for a certain session - look it up online!

actually, i had a friend in new york who did precisely that: dumped the jewel boxes and stored the booklet and tray card in a number of 'caselogic' or equivalent zipper-up cloth pouches. worked for him since he had no room. myself, i'm somewhat of a purist i guess (having been at this record collecting thing for nigh on 27 years now), as i prefer to have everything out and visible, library-like, for easy retrieval, not to mention being able to see the whole thing. but i suppose it is all contingent on how you wish to display your collection, and, of course, your square footage situation. darrenb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines , as i prefer to have everything out and visible,

>, as i prefer to have everything out and visible, >library-like, for easy retrieval, not to mention being able to see the whole >thing.

Gotta side with Darren here...where I run into problems is when I can't see what I want and simply finding it becomes a Sisyphan task. On top of it, I'm not an alphabetizer (my wife actually LIKE doing it - unfortunately, that means I'm subject to her theories of categorization - which leave things to be desired!). To some extent, I was better off with tons of piles...I knew what was in those piles, believe it or not. Of course, when you have those 7000+ collections it gets a bit unmanageable. I know of a former IDM-er named Jim (a Dr. in the southern US) who put all of his in those little flimsy plastic see through things, but I just can't live without more protection and being able to see what I'm looking for. It's hard enough to find things when you CAN see those spines. Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart, Lassigue Bendthaus, Senor Coconut, Atomu Shinzo, Geez-n-Gosh, Dos Tracks, etc., etc. all go in the same place. :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 05:54 PM 7/14/2002 -0500, Mxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 3 lines Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart,

>Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart, >Lassigue Bendthaus, Senor Coconut, Atomu Shinzo, Geez-n-Gosh, Dos Tracks, >etc., etc. all go in the same place. :-)

Personally, I sort everything autobiographically. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

No FUCKING way!

quoted 24 lines From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>

> From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:33 -0500 > To: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] mass storage > > At 05:54 PM 7/14/2002 -0500, Mxyzptlk wrote: >> Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart, >> Lassigue Bendthaus, Senor Coconut, Atomu Shinzo, Geez-n-Gosh, Dos Tracks, >> etc., etc. all go in the same place. :-) > > Personally, I sort everything autobiographically. > > derek > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > with lather thingy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Mxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 9 lines , as i prefer to have everything out and visible,

> >, as i prefer to have everything out and visible, > >library-like, for easy retrieval, not to mention being able to see the whole > >thing. > > Gotta side with Darren here...where I run into problems is when I can't see > what I want and simply finding it becomes a Sisyphan task. On top of it, > I'm not an alphabetizer (my wife actually LIKE doing it - unfortunately, > that means I'm subject to her theories of categorization - which leave > things to be desired!).

now THAT must be interesting. yeah, if she chooses categories at random (like you mentioned, atom heart is a good example, or whatabout, say, namlook/fax?) searching for that odd title must be about as sisyphean as all get out! ;) actually, my wife seems to have trouble locating certain things...not that she can't alphabetize, but i think the sheer daunting size of what i have sometimes intimidates her. oh well. actually, i pride myself on alphabetizing...quite frankly, i've never known another way to properly organize information, especially within the confines of a music or literary library.

quoted 6 lines To some extent, I was better off with tons of

> To some extent, I was better off with tons of > piles...I knew what was in those piles, believe it or not. Of course, when > you have those 7000+ collections it gets a bit unmanageable. I know of a > former IDM-er named Jim (a Dr. in the southern US) who put all of his in > those little flimsy plastic see through things, but I just can't live > without more protection and being able to see what I'm looking for.

eesh!

quoted 4 lines It's hard enough to find things when you CAN see those spines.

> It's hard enough to find things when you CAN see those spines. > Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart, > Lassigue Bendthaus, Senor Coconut, Atomu Shinzo, Geez-n-Gosh, Dos Tracks, > etc., etc. all go in the same place.

and here is where (if you pardon the talk about such seinfeldian minutiae) i find how people organize their stuff fascinating. many people i know seem to keep like-minded artists and their various aliases all together (such as w/atom heart, or richard kirk, or —fill-in-the-blank—). hey, it's your collection, after all—what works best for ya should be the system you should stick with. the way i look at it, if rh kirk wanted all his shit filed as 'rh kirk', he'd name all his projects by his surname. seems to me that (one of) the reasons he records under different names (as do so many others) is to provide some manner of distinction between the various projects. hence, i file sandoz under 's', the kirk stuff under 'k', etc. well, at least i can find it easier. is this the start of a truly sisyphean thread, or should it be taken to something like rec.collecting? next move. darrenb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

My situation: 3 racks of 300 each, some stacked here and there, need to buy another or get something taller and consolidate. DVDs are starting to encroach on the space quite a bit. In college as a DJ I hauled a couple of Case Logic 100-CD cases for a while, to do my radio show etc. This I realized was not the best of solutions as 1. lots of albums only had track info on the back of the case, leaving me hanging in several instances, and 2. dust creeps into the sleeves and scratches your CDs when you're in the habit of taking them in and out repeatedly on a daily basis. As far as sorting stuff goes, due to the ridiculous percentage of CDs I own carrying the 'various artists' moniker, I said fuck a bunch of alphabets and went for color-coding the whole mess by the art on the spine. So my racks looked like a large, uneven spectrum for a while, red to yellow to green to blue and ending on black to grey then white, and it worked quite well. My memory is more apt to quickly recall an album cover than an obscure artist or title off the cuff. Since the initial sorting I've moved twice and purchased lots more junk, so it's not quite as well organized as before, but it still works to an extent. It's kind of pretty, too. Worthwhile to point out that afterwards people universally agreed that I was more insane than they had initially given me credit for. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Since people on this list probably on average have 10x more cds than most people, I figured this is the place to ask. I need a new cd rack. Something to hold 600 or so cds. Anyone have any recommendations ? I have a boltz unit right now(which I like) and a hideous bookshelf I want to get rid of. I just need alot more room. Ok and to keep this post on topic: Astrobotnia is really good! Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 01:22 PM 7/14/2002, component wrote:

quoted 8 lines Since people on this list probably on average have 10x more cds than most

>Since people on this list probably on average have 10x more cds than most >people, >I figured this is the place to ask. > >I need a new cd rack. Something to hold 600 or so cds. >Anyone have any recommendations ? >I have a boltz unit right now(which I like) and a hideous bookshelf >I want to get rid of. I just need alot more room.

I'm not a good person to ask. At last count I had 20 of the ones which hold 250, one which holds 1000, piles of them all over the place and a chest of drawers full of cdrs. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 14 Jul 2002 at 14:22, component wrote:

quoted 3 lines I need a new cd rack. Something to hold 600 or so cds. Anyone have any

> I need a new cd rack. Something to hold 600 or so cds. Anyone have any > recommendations ? I have a boltz unit right now(which I like) and a > hideous bookshelf I want to get rid of. I just need alot more room.

Ha! Familiar plight indeed. Try having a partner and two kids, as well as three cats sharing your space AND finding place to stack your CD's, tapes, vinyl, half-baked CD-R's, music-related magazines - ie obsession-related CLUTTER. Never mind clothes and furniture! I find it an utter nightmare, and apart from the question of actual storage, there's the little matter of locating things. How to organise them. By label? By artist? Alphabetically? (Gets fuzzy, people recording under different pseudonyms for different projects). By date? By country of origin, for goodness sake? H E L P !!! I know one collector for whom cost and spatial constriction are not problems. She has deep purpose-designed hand made drawers that float out effortlessly, each holding 3 rows of about 30 CD's each (and there are lots of them) and even she has trouble finding stuff she's looking for and constantly stresses over re-arranging her music. She, too, has piles lying around that await being relocated. Once the given sector is filles and spills over, a new problem begins. Ideally I envy an acquaintance radio presenter / DJ who has a converted double garage that doubles as his home studio and the walls are lines with shelves holding his records and CD's. He has very very many of both, being in the industry and receiving promo's etc. Even his lot is not sorted out too logically either :-) But I think having a lockable walk-in library type space would be the best solution, in a perfect dream situation. Good luck and I'm eagerly awaiting workable suggestions. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Sysyphan??? Huh? Please explain. Cheers My views on storage. I prefer seeing them neatly arranged with the titles on the side visible. I bought a dirt cheap pine shelf unit and made extra shelves so I could put more CD's onto it. I could theoretically save even more space by chopping it in half depthways so I could get two units. But for a shelf unit only 3' high I can get about 500 ish CD's (ish because of 2CD and CD singles...) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mxyzptlk" <jpklein@telocity.com> To: <ubikman@optonline.net>; "Greg Smith" <purgasmith@earthlink.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [idm] mass storage

quoted 3 lines , as i prefer to have everything out and visible,

> > >, as i prefer to have everything out and visible, > >library-like, for easy retrieval, not to mention being able to see the

whole

quoted 4 lines thing.

> >thing. > > > Gotta side with Darren here...where I run into problems is when I can't

see

quoted 21 lines what I want and simply finding it becomes a Sisyphan task. On top of it,

> what I want and simply finding it becomes a Sisyphan task. On top of it, > I'm not an alphabetizer (my wife actually LIKE doing it - unfortunately, > that means I'm subject to her theories of categorization - which leave > things to be desired!). To some extent, I was better off with tons of > piles...I knew what was in those piles, believe it or not. Of course, when > you have those 7000+ collections it gets a bit unmanageable. I know of a > former IDM-er named Jim (a Dr. in the southern US) who put all of his in > those little flimsy plastic see through things, but I just can't live > without more protection and being able to see what I'm looking for. It's > hard enough to find things when you CAN see those spines. > Especially when your wife doesn't understand that Lisa Carbon, Atom Heart, > Lassigue Bendthaus, Senor Coconut, Atomu Shinzo, Geez-n-Gosh, Dos Tracks, > etc., etc. all go in the same place. :-) > jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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At 04:55 PM 7/14/2002, richard wrote:

quoted 3 lines Sysyphan??? Huh?

>Sysyphan??? Huh? > >Please explain.

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quoted 3 lines Gotta side with Darren here...where I run into problems is when I can't

> > Gotta side with Darren here...where I run into problems is when I can't >see > > what I want and simply finding it becomes a Sisyphan task.

Sisyphus. http://www.pantheon.org/ Greek dude, did some rude things in life (including some bondage on the death god) and was sentenced to eternity in the underworld pushing a boulder up a hill, then having it roll back down ad infinitum. Metaphorically it is used to denote seemingly never ending tasks of drudgery. I suppose I was a bit hyperbolic. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Sisyphus. http://www.pantheon.org/

quoted 2 lines Greek dude, did some rude things in life (including some bondage on the

> Greek dude, did some rude things in life (including some bondage on the > death god)

Bondage on the death god -That is soooo goth! Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Recently my dad bought two 400 disc cd players and that really frees up some space. He put all the booklets in cd binders. The disc players are pretty neat, you can enter all kinds of info about the cds and arrange them by genre and what not, so its super easy to find what you're looking for. Pretty cool looking too. On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, component wrote:

quoted 13 lines Sisyphus. http:

> Sisyphus. http://www.pantheon.org/ > > Greek dude, did some rude things in life (including some bondage on the > > death god) > > Bondage on the death god -That is soooo goth! > > Rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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hi, tom: Thomas Millar wrote:

quoted 9 lines As far as sorting stuff goes, due to the ridiculous percentage of CDs I own

> As far as sorting stuff goes, due to the ridiculous percentage of CDs I own > carrying the 'various artists' moniker, I said fuck a bunch of alphabets and > went for color-coding the whole mess by the art on the spine. So my racks > looked like a large, uneven spectrum for a while, red to yellow to green to > blue and ending on black to grey then white, and it worked quite well. My > memory is more apt to quickly recall an album cover than an obscure artist > or title off the cuff. Since the initial sorting I've moved twice and > purchased lots more junk, so it's not quite as well organized as before, but > it still works to an extent. It's kind of pretty, too.

that's pretty funny...in fact, it calls to mind an excellent piece written for tower records' 'pulse' magazine (by, i think, david greenberg (??)—not sure i have that right—who used to publish 'the duplex planet' mag and website) regarding how, uh, site specific record collectors could get when it came to the organization hierarchies of their collections. he went on to mention not only folks who organized by color coding (as you mentioned), but also regardless of genre (in other words, alphabetically combining rock, jazz, electronic, everything from a-z), by artist geographically and (most bizarrely) by the order in which the collector had bought them, in other words, the exact date and time, and kept them filed in that order. saints preserve us! this is where it gets a little spooky...guy _definitely_ needed to get out into the fresh air more often. but the bottom line in all this is that one needs to be comfortable on the best way to retrieve individual recordings. i consider my system fairly basic: each genre (electronic, rock, jazz) is filed alphabetically in each of its own sections, each disc is filed in order of year of release...and that's about it. digging more into the minutiae of it all, i used to file compilations at the end of each genre, but for a while now they've gone alphabetically by title...seems to make it easier, especially when filing pesky items such as remix albums, dj mix cds, compilations where the different artists are simply aliases of one individual, etc. gad, what fun, eh?

quoted 2 lines Worthwhile to point out that afterwards people universally agreed that I was

> Worthwhile to point out that afterwards people universally agreed that I was > more insane than they had initially given me credit for.

ditto ;) hey, what the 'ell...makes life a helluvalot more interesting, no? hmm...time to book that bahamas vaca, maybe... darrenb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, ubikman wrote:

quoted 2 lines but also regardless of genre (in other words, alphabetically combining

> but also regardless of genre (in other words, alphabetically combining > rock, jazz, electronic, everything from a-z)

Is that really so strange? That's how I do it. It seems like if you have a lot of cross-genre stuff, just throwing it all in one alphabetical mess makes it easier to find stuff than trying to remember which genre I put a specific CD in. I also alphebetize by first name, so "Otto Von Schirach" goes under O. Which is nice because it saves me from answering the question "Is Otto Von Schirach his REAL name?" Except in the case of "DJ" which gets ignored. So "DJ Shadow" is under S. Compilations under the compilation name. For me, the issue is finding the CD as fast as possible. It's not very often that I think "I'd like to listen to genre X." Usually I have a specific artist in mind, so... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... Why not just encode all your cd's to high quality mp3's (lets not start an argument about being able to hear the difference please!) and store them all on a few massive usb/firewire hd's. A bit of an expensive option maybe but considering the ease of use this affords (finding shit, arranging playlists, not having to cart around tons of cd's) it should be worth it for those of us with massive collections. It's also a great way to hear music you forgot you had when you leave it on random. Obviously not an option for those weirdo's who think the cd case is important, or you could mix it with a cataloging system (ie. find it on the computer - gives u a row,col ref) for the best of both worlds. skism. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I was actually thinking about doing this the other day. Not long ago I was hearing about the next hot audio compression scheme thats going to be smaller than mp3 and have better sound. Anyone know the info on this stuff? -Aaron On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:29 AM, skism wrote:

quoted 27 lines Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

> > Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... > > Why not just encode all your cd's to high quality mp3's (lets not > start an argument about being able to hear the difference please!) > and store them all on a few massive usb/firewire hd's. > > A bit of an expensive option maybe but considering the ease of use > this affords (finding shit, arranging playlists, not having to cart > around tons of cd's) it should be worth it for those of us with > massive collections. > > It's also a great way to hear music you forgot you had when you > leave it on random. > > Obviously not an option for those weirdo's who think the cd case > is important, or you could mix it with a cataloging system (ie. > find it on the computer - gives u a row,col ref) for the best of > both worlds. > > skism. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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mp3pro is a pretty impressive format very small in size http://www.mp3prozone.com/ -s -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Meyers [mailto:adm226@nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:50 AM To: cazeone@ramdis.com Cc: idm-l Subject: Re: [idm] mass storage I was actually thinking about doing this the other day. Not long ago I was hearing about the next hot audio compression scheme thats going to be smaller than mp3 and have better sound. Anyone know the info on this stuff? -Aaron On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 11:29 AM, skism wrote:

quoted 27 lines Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

> > Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... > > Why not just encode all your cd's to high quality mp3's (lets not > start an argument about being able to hear the difference please!) > and store them all on a few massive usb/firewire hd's. > > A bit of an expensive option maybe but considering the ease of use > this affords (finding shit, arranging playlists, not having to cart > around tons of cd's) it should be worth it for those of us with > massive collections. > > It's also a great way to hear music you forgot you had when you > leave it on random. > > Obviously not an option for those weirdo's who think the cd case > is important, or you could mix it with a cataloging system (ie. > find it on the computer - gives u a row,col ref) for the best of > both worlds. > > skism. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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At 10:29 AM 7/15/2002, skism wrote:

quoted 5 lines Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

>Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... > >Why not just encode all your cd's to high quality mp3's (lets not >start an argument about being able to hear the difference please!) >and store them all on a few massive usb/firewire hd's.

What you dismiss as an irrelevant difference is not such a thing to many. Additionally, those few, massive hd's will limit access/playability a great degree. That hard drive doesn't slip into my car or another CD player quite so easily.

quoted 12 lines A bit of an expensive option maybe but considering the ease of use

>A bit of an expensive option maybe but considering the ease of use >this affords (finding shit, arranging playlists, not having to cart >around tons of cd's) it should be worth it for those of us with >massive collections. > >It's also a great way to hear music you forgot you had when you >leave it on random. > >Obviously not an option for those weirdo's who think the cd case >is important, or you could mix it with a cataloging system (ie. >find it on the computer - gives u a row,col ref) for the best of >both worlds.

It's not only expensive, but when you are dealing with 7000 + CD collections you are also talking about a GREAT deal of time to encode all of these and hope the encoding went without glitches (unless you want to play each one back to see) - elsewise you may find your rare hard copy gone and an unlistenable mess in its place. This might be a good option for some, but I'm betting that it won't be for many of us who have objections beyond the need for a jewel case. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines What you dismiss as an irrelevant difference is not such a thing to many.

> What you dismiss as an irrelevant difference is not such a thing to many. > Additionally, those few, massive hd's will limit access/playability a

great

quoted 3 lines degree.

> degree. > That hard drive doesn't slip into my car or another CD player > quite so easily.

That might be true at the moment, but give it a few years and things will improve; interconectivity, bandwidth & storage space are all going to get better so you will be able to slip them into your car no problem (im sure you could figure out a way of doing it now anyway) And if you get usb/firewire it should all be forward compatible for a good while...

quoted 5 lines It's not only expensive, but when you are dealing with 7000 + CD

> It's not only expensive, but when you are dealing with 7000 + CD > collections you are also talking about a GREAT deal of time to encode all > of these and hope the encoding went without glitches (unless you want to > play each one back to see) - elsewise you may find your rare hard > copy gone and an unlistenable mess in its place.

Just as long as you're using the right software (lame for encoding & eac for the ripping) and have a fast enough chip you should never get any encoding glitches. It will take a ridiculously long time tough... but worth it in my oppinon. skism... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 07:12 PM 7/15/2002 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines mp3pro is a pretty impressive format

> > mp3pro is a pretty impressive format > > very small in size > > http://www.mp3prozone.com/ > > -s > >it is small in size, but you can *really* tell the difference in terms of >sound quality, so, mp3pro for something like this is a *big* no no. mp3 or, >logically, ogg vorbis are the most acceptable solutions for this kind of >thing, being ogg the best one in terms of quality/size, even though its not >so widely spread.

One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the new consumer toys coming out are mp3-oriented. It's nice to burn a cd with 6-7 hours of audio and plop it into your car -- a hell of a lot nicer than popping the trunk every few miles to swap out your 10 cds :) It wouldn't surprise me if they start producing portable audio units with multiple codecs rather soon, though -- I think there's the possibility for a market there, especially when you get those cd-player marketting weirdos on the job, touting the different codes and the amount you can squeeze onto different cd's. We'll see, I guess. For now, I'm keeping my stuff in mp3 though. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines It wouldn't surprise me if they start producing portable audio units with

> It wouldn't surprise me if they start producing portable audio units with > multiple codecs rather soon, though -- I think there's the possibility for > a market there, especially when you get those cd-player marketting weirdos > on the job, touting the different codes and the amount you can squeeze

onto

quoted 1 line different cd's.

> different cd's.

They allready do, the creative nomad supports ogg, wav & mp3 and is upgradable also... skism --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 15 Jul 2002 at 13:48, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 2 lines One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the

> One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the > new consumer toys coming out are mp3-oriented.

And we believe that MP3's are here to stay, or will they also soon Betamax out of existence, making all our libraries obsolete and unplayable?? In fact, will the CD format not soon be overtaken by DVD's, rendering what we've collected fairly archaic? I don't know... I just get depressed at the amount of money invested in this format, only to see it wiped out in a few years time. What say you? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ogg vorbis, welcome to the audio of the future, its an open format, so you can read the source code and decoders/encoders have the source freely available. CD, DVD, Mp3, these are all commercial formats with patents owned by commercial entities and subject to the whims of the market. Ogg vorbis will be with us for millenia to come because its non-commercial, so and non-patented. On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 26 lines On 15 Jul 2002 at 13:48, EggyToast wrote:

> On 15 Jul 2002 at 13:48, EggyToast wrote: > > > One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the > > new consumer toys coming out are mp3-oriented. > > And we believe that MP3's are here to stay, or will they also soon > Betamax out of existence, making all our libraries obsolete and > unplayable?? > > In fact, will the CD format not soon be overtaken by DVD's, rendering > what we've collected fairly archaic? > > I don't know... I just get depressed at the amount of money invested > in this format, only to see it wiped out in a few years time. > > What say you? > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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So just how slow do you drive, to be able to change 10 cd's every few miles??? ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [idm] mass storage

quoted 2 lines One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the

> One of the big problems with compressed digital audio is that all of the > new consumer toys coming out are mp3-oriented. It's nice to burn a cd

with

quoted 2 lines 6-7 hours of audio and plop it into your car -- a hell of a lot nicer than

> 6-7 hours of audio and plop it into your car -- a hell of a lot nicer than > popping the trunk every few miles to swap out your 10 cds :)

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