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Why the hell does every time Moby comes up everyone piles on to diss him? HERE'S A BARREL, HERE'S A GUN. SHOOT THE FISH. Moby is irrelevant. Move on. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 4/22/02 9:28 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote:

quoted 2 lines Why the hell does every time Moby comes up everyone piles on to diss him?

> Why the hell does every time Moby comes up everyone piles on to diss him? > HERE'S A BARREL, HERE'S A GUN. SHOOT THE FISH.

Exactly. Dissing Moby is like a game of Spin the Bottle. It's fun, it's easy, anybody can play and EVERYBODY WINS. Who cares if he's irrelevant, when he's so damn ubiquitous? It doesn't matter what band or what record they are talking about on VH1, you can guarantee that Moby has some really vital opinion to offer. I swear to god he has a VH1 camera crew permanently located in his posh Manhattan dwelling. I admit it's a little like poking fun at the slow kid, but the fact that the slow kid thinks he's such a genius that he needs to pop up and offer an opinion about every topic that comes up begs for it. Anyway, he IS irrelevant as far as quality, innovation and interest is concerned, but if you have a car commercial that needs a bangin' big beat track, you know who to call. Asterprox --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 10:53 PM 4/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 11 lines on 4/22/02 9:28 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote:

>on 4/22/02 9:28 PM, Kent williams at kent@avalon.net wrote: > > > Why the hell does every time Moby comes up everyone piles on to diss him? > > HERE'S A BARREL, HERE'S A GUN. SHOOT THE FISH. > >Exactly. Dissing Moby is like a game of Spin the Bottle. It's fun, it's >easy, anybody can play and EVERYBODY WINS. Who cares if he's irrelevant, >when he's so damn ubiquitous? It doesn't matter what band or what record >they are talking about on VH1, you can guarantee that Moby has some really >vital opinion to offer. I swear to god he has a VH1 camera crew permanently >located in his posh Manhattan dwelling.

Who's Moby? derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know? At 12:14 AM 4/23/2002 -0500, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 3 lines Who's Moby?

>Who's Moby? > >derek

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quoted 6 lines He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know?

> He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know? > > At 12:14 AM 4/23/2002 -0500, EggyToast wrote: > >Who's Moby? > > > >derek

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At 01:43 AM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know?

>He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know?

I thought that was The Beach Boys? derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

he may at times be boring, but he does innovate, albiet much more sublty and less aggressively than most idm-ers wish for. additionally, i think the chem. brothers or fatboy would be better examples of "big beat" than moby--i think maybe his new stuff is "blues beat" or something... : 1 blake/

quoted 10 lines Anyway, he IS irrelevant as far as quality,

> Anyway, he IS irrelevant as far as quality, > innovation and interest is > concerned, but if you have a car commercial that > needs a bangin' big beat > track, you know who to call. > > Asterprox > > >

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two things : | He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know? errrr... no. and - what's meme? this is a new one on me... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny" <bluecalx@horsetrading.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [idm] dissing moby on the internet is a virulent meme --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Rich <arkive@btopenworld.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines two things :

> two things : > > | He's that guy who invented electronic music. Didn't you know? > > errrr... no. > > and - > > what's meme? this is a new one on me...

A meme is a pop culture idea that seems to spread of its own volition. Calling it virulent is just redundant unless it's some kind of snow crash reference... Moby, of course, is that guy who invented commercials. Didn't you know? Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 4/23/02 5:23 AM, Lander at gamera_@yahoo.com scrawled:

quoted 6 lines what's meme? this is a new one on me...

>> >> what's meme? this is a new one on me... > > A meme is a pop culture idea that seems to spread of its own volition. > Calling it virulent is just redundant unless it's some kind of snow crash > reference...

not to be a smart ass.. but it's much more than that. You make it sound like fad fuel. Basically it's the idea that ideas are subjected to Darwinism in the same way that various species are and that only the most fit survive. It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you extend it to it's logical conclusion that people are just vehicles for ideologies, 'hosts' if you will and it can even call free will into question. Read Richard Dawkins "The Selfish Gene" - it was the book that got things rolling. More recently, Daniel Dennet wrote a decent treatise called "Darwin's Dangerous Idea". I wasn't going to post this because it seemed to OT, but then I looked at all the messages devoted to IDM listeners with double x chromosomes and how they are a separate species and then it seemed relevent. :P ~g -- Greg Smith http://www.laiad.com "There is no such thing as a perfectly accurate clock. The nearest you can get is one that has stopped. Although you never know when, it is absolutely accurate twice a day." - JG Ballard/Chronopolis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Greg Smith <purgasmith@earthlink.net> wrote:

quoted 21 lines on 4/23/02 5:23 AM, Lander at gamera_@yahoo.com scrawled:

> on 4/23/02 5:23 AM, Lander at gamera_@yahoo.com scrawled: > > > >> > >> what's meme? this is a new one on me... > > > > A meme is a pop culture idea that seems to spread of its own volition. > > Calling it virulent is just redundant unless it's some kind of snow > crash > > reference... > > not to be a smart ass.. but it's much more than that. You make it sound > like fad fuel. Basically it's the idea that ideas are subjected to > Darwinism in the same way that various species are and that only the > most > fit survive. It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you extend it to it's > logical conclusion that people are just vehicles for ideologies, 'hosts' > if > you will and it can even call free will into question. Read Richard > Dawkins > "The Selfish Gene" - it was the book that got things rolling.

I've read a couple of interviews with him, though I can't remember where. Never read the book itself. But to be a smart-ass in return, how does it follow from the thought that we are vehicles for ideas that we are JUST vehicles for ideas? Just because we carry viruses around doesn't mean we exist solely to serve the viruses. I mean, I suppose it might, but it's not the only conclusion that can be drawn, or even the most apparent. I'm not saying that memetics is incompatible with nihilism, just that nihilsm isn't the necessary conclusion reached by an acceptance of memetics. You know, being a smart-ass. One of my favorite hobbies! And by the way, as far as the topic at hand goes... if you're going to let bad pop music turn you to nihilism, there's MUCH worse than moby out there. Try listening to Creed sometime. Nothing like a band of true believers to reassure me that it's all meaningless... Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt mean we aren't interesting, fun people. If the end product is the same, who cares if it's motivated by free will? I don't mind being part of a billion year domino chain, even if it does invalidate my claims to being a free agent. Actually I find the latter idea a bit more liberating. Like the man said, we may be out of the trees, but we sure as hell aren't out of the woods. SOZER.SHT http://www.wearechangeagent.com PS: this is 'on topic' because I am an 'intelligent' electronic musician and this is what I want to talk about. Lord knows it's a bit more interesting than if Moby is a sellout or not.

quoted 32 lines not to be a smart ass.. but ... It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you

>not to be a smart ass.. but ... It's somewhat nihilistic in that if you >extend it to it's >logical conclusion that people are just vehicles for ideologies, 'hosts' if >you will and it can even call free will into question. Read Richard >Dawkins >"The Selfish Gene" - it was the book that got things rolling. More >recently, Daniel Dennet wrote a decent treatise called "Darwin's Dangerous >Idea". > >I wasn't going to post this because it seemed to OT, but then I looked at >all the messages devoted to IDM listeners with double x chromosomes and how >they are a separate species and then it seemed relevent. :P > >~g > > > > >-- >Greg Smith >http://www.laiad.com >"There is no such thing as a perfectly accurate clock. The nearest you can >get is one that has stopped. Although you never know when, it is >absolutely >accurate twice a day." - JG Ballard/Chronopolis > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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on 4/23/02 9:38 AM, SHADETEk Records at shadetek@hotmail.com scrawled:

quoted 8 lines What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt

> What's nihilistic about that? We're all crawling with parasites, doesnt > mean we aren't interesting, fun people. If the end product is the same, who > cares if it's motivated by free will? I don't mind being part of a billion > year domino chain, even if it does invalidate my claims to being a free > agent. Actually I find the latter idea a bit more liberating. Like the man > said, we may be out of the trees, but we sure as hell aren't out of the > woods. >

I like that quote about being out of the woods... rollercoasters aren't that exciting. While you are being hurled about and looped and making hairpin turns, you can only actually move in a very limited way.. you can only squirm within the constraints of the mechanism of the device that holds you in place. Same difference if are actions are constrained by ideologies that 'infect' us. I suppose the optimist would read this as an 'shut up and enjoy the ride' situation while the pessimist would be griping about how tight the restraints were. ~g np. Eno's Airport Muzak <-token mention of music. -- Greg Smith http://www.laiad.com "There is no such thing as a perfectly accurate clock. The nearest you can get is one that has stopped. Although you never know when, it is absolutely accurate twice a day." - JG Ballard/Chronopolis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org