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2002-02-25 14:00Gabriel J. Weinstock [idm] next big thing
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2002-02-25 14:14Oliver Siebelt RE: [idm] next big thing
2002-02-25 14:15component Re: [idm] next big thing
2002-02-25 14:19Glenn McClements Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 15:55Bill Burroughs Re: [idm] next big thing
2002-02-25 15:01Blake Irvin Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 15:14Adam Piontek Re: [idm] next big thing
2002-02-25 15:35Hackett, Kelley M. RE: [idm] next big thing
2002-02-25 15:51component Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 15:58Chop Chop Master Onion Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 17:36Adam Piontek Re: [idm] next big thing
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2002-02-25 16:01Reading, John RE: [idm] next big thing
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2002-02-25 17:56audio::nimbus Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 18:03EggyToast Re: [idm] next big thing
└─ 2002-02-25 18:18Adam Piontek [idm] proem (was Re: [idm] next big thing)
└─ 2002-02-25 18:34EggyToast Re: [idm] proem (was Re: [idm] next big thing)
└─ 2002-02-25 18:46Adam Piontek Re: [idm] proem (was Re: [idm] next big thing)
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2002-02-25 14:00Gabriel J. WeinstockOK, so I have a question to pose to the list: What or who do people think is going to be t
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OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM genre? My bet is Venetian Snares. g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 14:55Kent williamsOn Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gabriel J. Weinstock wrote: > OK, so I have a question to pose to the
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gabriel J. Weinstock wrote:
quoted 6 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM > genre? > My bet is Venetian Snares. > g. >
Venetian Snares is the tip of the iceberg in a whole genre of what I call 'post-drop-bass-post-gabber-hardcore' that has grown up around the milwaukee/madison scene. Guys like Dan Dormouse, Snares, SubstanceP, Bombadier, are all off on their own making really extreme, but very creative music. Nothing I want to listen to all the time but it's a very creative corner of 'the scene.' But is that the 'next big thing?' don't know. I think people will begin experimenting with more live instrumentation. There's a trend in a lot artists to take a step back from crazy drum programming to try and find new ways of working with simpler beats -- this has a hip-hop side (boards of canada) and a techno side (PS I Love You Kid606) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 15:11Adam PiontekI'm surprised people ever liked that "Oval/Autechre Nicey Nice Shit" anyway... Well, I don
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I'm surprised people ever liked that "Oval/Autechre Nicey Nice Shit" anyway... Well, I don't see the connection between Oval & Autechre, as Autechre are good and Oval is boring, but whatever. I don't think V.Snares is the next big thing. A) I don't like his work (I just don't like gabber or hardcore stuff in general, really). B) he's too difficult for the masses. C) There won't be a "next big thing". There are no more "next big things". IDM and indie culture in general is fractured and in a metaphysical psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck disarray. And why didn't we ever decide to just tell everyone that IDM meant Independent Dance Music instead of always complaining how dumb "Intelligent" was? And if you don't like the "Dance" part, just say the D stands for Dweeb, it'll clear everything up for everyone. Not that I care what the next big thing is anyway. Which is why there are no more next big things. Nobody cares anymore. All the masturbatory mirrorgazing trendfollowers can follow their little trends off into a corner and die. Me, I'll just try a bit of everything and make my own little radio station to listen to my favorite stuff. So, no, V.Snares has already had his moment in the sun and has his little following of acidgabberheads (mostly just fans of Planet Mu), and if Warp picks him up that's their problem. And if avantgardehiphop blows up, well HA! Hip-hop's been around 30-odd fucking years now, who the hell cares? indie will kill everything it loves. If IDM wants to be hiphop now, so be it. I mean, hey, I like the clouddead CD ok. But I listen to Leafcutter John a lot more. And anyway, everybody knows Kid606 is the shit. --- "Gabriel J. Weinstock" <gweinstock@citynet.net> wrote:
quoted 8 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > What or who do people think is going to be the next > big thing in the IDM > genre? > My bet is Venetian Snares. > g. > >
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2002-02-25 14:14Oliver Siebelti agree. with a name like funk, it's gotta be good. just saw v. snares twice here in londo
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i agree. with a name like funk, it's gotta be good. just saw v. snares twice here in london last week and the man rips. a nice change as well from all the autechre meets oval meets glitch ad infinitum type stuff out there as well... :-) rumours abound that warp's just picked him up from planet mu. about time. i'd also recommend a lot of stuff coming out of france these days - especially labels like active suspension, bip_hop, clapping music and optical sound. also - the +cross label from japan is very very very good, but i think all the signs indicate to the more adventerous hip-hop stuff on labels like lex, sound-ink and anticon as probably taking over - what with the success of el-p, cannibal ox, def jux, etc.. (quick, let me get this damn anorak off!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/newroom/toptens/actives.shtml http://www.biphop.com http://www.f5f5dc.net/cross/cross_.htm http://www.lexrecords.com http://www.anticon.com/ :) o. This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 14:15componentI thought he already was current big thing. Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, So
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I thought he already was current big thing. Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriel J. Weinstock <gweinstock@citynet.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [idm] next big thing
quoted 10 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM > genre? > My bet is Venetian Snares. > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-25 14:19Glenn McClements> > >OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: >What or who do people think is going t
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quoted 8 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> > >OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: >What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM >genre? >My bet is Venetian Snares. >g. >
I hope you're right. It seems that Aphex, Squarepusher and all of Planet-Mu are reacting against the current Warp and nicey-nicey oh-so-subtle glitchy stuff. I like it all, but sometimes you can have enough of all that nice Arovane stuff and just want some F*CKING GABBER!!!!!! Hopefully we'll get an acid and drill n' bass revival as well. So ahem, yeah, V Snares it could be. Glenn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 15:55Bill BurroughsWell, Warp and Mu records, both better get themselves sorted out soon, as Ant Zen are quic
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Well, Warp and Mu records, both better get themselves sorted out soon, as Ant Zen are quickly replacing them at the cutting edge of electronica/IDM...and it isn't even due to the artists on the labels...its the image too... I went to the two recent V. Snares gigs in London (2 nights in a row, helps to compare, lots) - the first night, was a Warp night, with Mike Paradinas and a bunch of other Warp folk about...the second night was an Ant Zen night, with Stephan (head Ant himself) DJing and some other acts... First night was dull...lots of pretencious folk, in lo-fi dress (well arranged clothing, in a shabby style) - general vibe, was of a private view at a really head-up-your-own-arse art show...V. Snares got little reaction out of the crowd...drug of choice for the evening, by most folk, was charlie...of course... Second night was great...good support before V. Snares, apart from the DJ just before, who is the resident @ the Slimelight (the name of the night, they were playing at) ...he played the usual cyber-goth rubbish, with the odd bit of Converter/Hypnoskull type stuff thrown in, to keep the crowd from falling asleep...but the crowd were generally up for it...and the dancefloor was full of maniacs jumping around, and enjoying themselves, not standing at the side, scratching their chins (with the appropriate hairs attached in the Frank Zappa style that suits)...V. snares was wicked...took the last trancey style track that was being played, screwed it about, and just messed with the crowd until they stopped dancing, then did his thing... As for an acid revival...what about Ceephax Acid Crew (Squarepusher's brother, I believe) - he's doing a fine job there... :) RoNAn --- Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com> wrote: > >
quoted 28 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> > > >OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > >What or who do people think is going to be the next > big thing in the IDM > >genre? > >My bet is Venetian Snares. > >g. > > > I hope you're right. It seems that Aphex, > Squarepusher and all of > Planet-Mu are reacting against the current Warp and > nicey-nicey > oh-so-subtle glitchy stuff. I like it all, but > sometimes you can have > enough of all that nice Arovane stuff and just want > some F*CKING > GABBER!!!!!! Hopefully we'll get an acid and drill > n' bass revival as well. > > So ahem, yeah, V Snares it could be. > > Glenn > > > > > >
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2002-02-25 15:01Blake Irvinor, messing with idm that has a folk/live feel? i've been playing with that concept for a
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or, messing with idm that has a folk/live feel? i've been playing with that concept for a while now, and i think it might turn into something pretty cool. also, maybe a new desire on the part of idm artists to get people dancing? and don't forget social protest. that might be pretty interesting. blake/ Clockworm http://mp3.com/clockworm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent williams" <kent@avalon.net> To: "Gabriel J. Weinstock" <gweinstock@citynet.net> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 19 lines On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gabriel J. Weinstock wrote:> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gabriel J. Weinstock wrote: > > > OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > > What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM > > genre? > > My bet is Venetian Snares. > > g. > > > > Venetian Snares is the tip of the iceberg in a whole genre of what I call > 'post-drop-bass-post-gabber-hardcore' that has grown up around the > milwaukee/madison scene. Guys like Dan Dormouse, Snares, SubstanceP, > Bombadier, are all off on their own making really extreme, but very > creative music. Nothing I want to listen to all the time but it's a very > creative corner of 'the scene.' > > But is that the 'next big thing?' don't know. I think people will begin > experimenting with more live instrumentation. There's a trend > in a lot artists to take a step back from crazy drum programming to try
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2002-02-25 15:14Adam Piontekfolk/idm gabber/idm indie/idm electro/idm hiphop/idm chicago/idm detroit/idm sheffield/idm
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folk/idm gabber/idm indie/idm electro/idm hiphop/idm chicago/idm detroit/idm sheffield/idm ambient/idm glitch/idm noise/idm rock/idm dnb/idm goddamnit, can't we just settle on one trend so I don't have to keep buying so many CDs?! ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 15:35Hackett, Kelley M.All the names out here for this music is pathetic!......(I even have my own, BUT)...... Ba
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All the names out here for this music is pathetic!......(I even have my own, BUT)...... Back in the day, its was all played into one set...... As Mike Banks, Larry Heard and a list of others have claimed, "there was/is no techno/house scene, it was played together"........and one wonders why people are so divided...... ..... Omar Hackett IUPUI University Library 755 W. Michigan Street, Rm: 1112 Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-278-2278 317-278-2300 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:56 AM To: Gabriel J. Weinstock Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gabriel J. Weinstock wrote:
quoted 6 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM > genre? > My bet is Venetian Snares. > g. >
Venetian Snares is the tip of the iceberg in a whole genre of what I call 'post-drop-bass-post-gabber-hardcore' that has grown up around the milwaukee/madison scene. Guys like Dan Dormouse, Snares, SubstanceP, Bombadier, are all off on their own making really extreme, but very creative music. Nothing I want to listen to all the time but it's a very creative corner of 'the scene.' But is that the 'next big thing?' don't know. I think people will begin experimenting with more live instrumentation. There's a trend in a lot artists to take a step back from crazy drum programming to try and find new ways of working with simpler beats -- this has a hip-hop side (boards of canada) and a techno side (PS I Love You Kid606) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 15:51component> I don't think V.Snares is the next big thing. A) I don't like his work (I just don't lik
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quoted 1 line I don't think V.Snares is the next big thing.> I don't think V.Snares is the next big thing.
A) I don't like his work (I just don't like gabber or hardcore stuff in general, really). Can't argue on that. Its a matter of opinion. On to B: B) he's too difficult for the masses. Well I don't know about that, People have gone pretty ga-ga about Autechre and Kid 606 and I don't really think that venetian snares is any less accessable than either of them. I also, see him being able to pull in a bit of a metal audience, who is looking for something extreme. C) There won't be a "next
quoted 4 lines big thing". There are no more "next big things". IDM> big thing". There are no more "next big things". IDM > and indie culture in general is fractured and in a > metaphysical psychosocial > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck disarray.
I agree with you that everything is in a "psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck disarray" But @ the same time, I can still see artists popping up and being elevated to a higher plane of status within that context. There will always be a flavor of the week, its just the nature of things. I'm not saying that this is nescessarilly a bad thing, its just the way things are. I'm not really looking for the next big thing myself, I'm just looking for something that will knock me over....something that the latest batch of demos I've gotten in hasn't done. Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 15:58Chop Chop Master Onion> C) There won't be a "next > > big thing". There are no more "next big things". IDM > > a
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quoted 5 lines C) There won't be a "next> C) There won't be a "next > > big thing". There are no more "next big things". IDM > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in a > > metaphysical psychosocial > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck disarray.
there is always something else over the horizon. it is naive to believe that the genre which you inhabit is the final frontier. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 17:36Adam Piontek--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote: > > C) There won't be a "next > > > big
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quoted 13 lines C) There won't be a "next> > C) There won't be a "next > > > big thing". There are no more "next big > things". IDM > > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in > a > > > metaphysical psychosocial > > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck > disarray. > > there is always something else over the horizon. it > is naive to believe > that the genre which you inhabit is the final > frontier.
I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth, lest I upchuck them on you. ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 17:48EggyToastAt 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote: >--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.or
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At 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 17 lines --- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote:>--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote: > > > C) There won't be a "next > > > > big thing". There are no more "next big > > things". IDM > > > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in > > a > > > > metaphysical psychosocial > > > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck > > disarray. > > > > there is always something else over the horizon. it > > is naive to believe > > that the genre which you inhabit is the final > > frontier. > >I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth, lest >I upchuck them on you.
Rather, I believe you said just the opposite -- that the next big thing is not going to be v. snares because the next big thing is NOT going to be in the genre you inhabit. Which I agree. Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of something, since we had such a broad base to begin with. So all the mixing of genres is like "yeah? we had that back in '96" derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 16:01Reading, John> > > metaphysical psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck disarray. In that
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quoted 1 line metaphysical psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck> > > metaphysical psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck
disarray. In that mode, I think on one side it's the bitmeddlers of the world and on the other side it's the Scott Herens. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-03-04 21:38nethedthis is exactly what the fog album sounds like... metaphysical psychosocial architecturals
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2002-02-25 17:56audio::nimbusHm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this subject a bit more having the opportunity to
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Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this subject a bit more having the opportunity to listen to so much new music coming out.. some names would include (but not limited to).. I've also included ~some~ labels these folks have released with. 0 Maps & Diagrams (Pause2, Tundra-Music, Neo Ouija) 0 Ten & Tracer (Acre-C, U_Cover) 0 Proem (Merck, Neo Ouija, N5MD) 0 Kettel (Planet-Mu, Neo Ouija, Kracfive) 0 Rockin' Pony (Lux-Nigra) 0 Aspen (Emanate, Involve) 0 Esem (DeFocus, Merck) 0 Dimension 5 (Delsin, Tundra-Music) 0 Eu (Merck, Cheburec, Art-Tek, Pause2) 0 Xela (Neo Ouija, DUB) 0 Abfahrt Hinwil (Toytronic) 0 Gimmik (Toytronic) 0 Bauri (Saundart, Neo Ouija, Merck, De:Bug) Pietro. || audio::nimbus :: pietro@audionimbus.com .. .. .. || www.audionimbus.com, www.igloomag.com || p.o. box 443, orange - california, 92856 .. .. ..
2002-02-25 18:03EggyToastAt 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote: >Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel
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At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote:
quoted 9 lines Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this subject a bit>Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this subject a bit >more having the opportunity to listen to so much new >music coming out.. some names would include (but not >limited to).. > >I've also included ~some~ labels these folks have released >with. > >0 Proem (Merck, Neo Ouija, N5MD)
Maybe Mr. Piontek can help here, but what is the attraction to Proem? All the stuff I've listened to, which has been a fair amount, has just been pads, pads pads. And more pads! And then, when you think there couldn't be any more pads, what happens? MORE PADS!! Maybe I just like harmonics and melodies that don't take 5 minutes to get through the first measure :P derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- snappy one-liner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:18Adam Piontek--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wro
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quoted 24 lines At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote:> At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote: > >Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this > subject a bit > >more having the opportunity to listen to so much > new > >music coming out.. some names would include (but > not > >limited to).. > > > >0 Proem (Merck, Neo Ouija, N5MD) > > Maybe Mr. Piontek can help here, but what is the > attraction to Proem? All > the stuff I've listened to, which has been a fair > amount, has just been > pads, pads pads. And more pads! > > And then, when you think there couldn't be any more > pads, what > happens? MORE PADS!! > > Maybe I just like harmonics and melodies that don't > take 5 minutes to get > through the first measure :P
I don't think I can help. I mean, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about re: pads, so that criticism admittedly goes over my head. I know enough to know he's not the most complex music maker out there, but he fits a niche in my head, and I like him. I would think people would complain about all the time-stretching and echoing he uses, but even there, I think he uses it to great effect... I'm a bit confused, though, did pietro mean that these artists were the "next big thing" or that they were boring him and making him also wonder what the "next big thing" would be? My vote goes for Leafcutter John & Christ Clark :P ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:34EggyToastAt 10:18 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: >--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > > > A
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At 10:18 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:
quoted 13 lines --- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote:>--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > > > And then, when you think there couldn't be any more > > pads, what > > happens? MORE PADS!! > > > > Maybe I just like harmonics and melodies that don't > > take 5 minutes to get > > through the first measure :P > >I don't think I can help. I mean, I honestly have no >idea what you're talking about re: pads, so that >criticism admittedly goes over my head.
Well, pads are those long, chorused notes that have a slow attack rate. They're usually in the background, but when they're in the foreground, they can emulate something like a swell of stringed instruments. As far as listening for them, just play a Proem song, or two. Those things you're hearing that aren't beats or sound effects? Those be pads. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:46Adam Piontek--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > At 10:18 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >---
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quoted 18 lines At 10:18 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:> At 10:18 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > > > And then, when you think there couldn't be > > > any more pads, what happens? MORE PADS!! > > > >I don't think I can help. I mean, I honestly > >have no idea what you're talking about re: pads, > >so that criticism admittedly goes over my head. > > Well, pads are those long, chorused notes that > have a slow attack rate. They're usually in > the background, but when they're in the > foreground, they can emulate something like > a swell of stringed instruments. > > As far as listening for them, just play a Proem > song, or two. Those things you're hearing that > aren't beats or sound effects? Those be pads.
So *that's* what that is... I like them. Another idm-list example of "it's a matter of taste" (I should clarify - I like his use of them...) ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:04THOUGHTBLUDGEONwith all hope the next current trend will revolve around controlled chaos, light meets dar
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with all hope the next current trend will revolve around controlled chaos, light meets dark, dubbed chill speed breaks, and minimalist audible anarchy finitely secure and bound with personal yet outward ambiguity, something that stretches whats expected and retreats to what isnt. old meets new, dirt meets clean, and all that jazz... more exteme, but not definedly so, more so in the extremes of multiple soundscapes breaking into each other, a virtual jackhammer overcoming your verbed out synthetic piano... the roughest smooth you can attain... --- http://www.mp3.com/edgey http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com "...when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail..." THOUGHTBLUDGEON RECORDINGS - SOUND EXTREMES --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> To: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org> Cc: "Inconvenient Dark Matter" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 25 lines At 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote:> At 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote: > >--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote: > > > > C) There won't be a "next > > > > > big thing". There are no more "next big > > > things". IDM > > > > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in > > > a > > > > > metaphysical psychosocial > > > > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck > > > disarray. > > > > > > there is always something else over the horizon. it > > > is naive to believe > > > that the genre which you inhabit is the final > > > frontier. > > > >I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth, lest > >I upchuck them on you. > > Rather, I believe you said just the opposite -- that the next big thing is > not going to be v. snares because the next big thing is NOT going to be in > the genre you inhabit. > > Which I agree. Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of > something, since we had such a broad base to begin with. So all the
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2002-02-25 18:06George Williamson> Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of > something, since we had such a broad
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quoted 2 lines Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of> Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of > something, since we had such a broad base to begin with. So all the
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quoted 1 line of genres is like "yeah? we had that back in '96"> of genres is like "yeah? we had that back in '96"
But there are new genres popping up everywhere just now, generally they do seem to be mishmashes of glitch and anything (although I'm happy with this until we get Country and Western Glitch), but I feel the point is that although the mixing thing was done in '90s we've now got a many new elements to start with. Personally I think that the next big thing will be, irritatingly, fusion of electronic click-hop and crap mainstream dance vocals, like Bjork but much more R&B/soul styled. Herbert comes close to this at times, but his stuff is still to good for a mainstream audience. In the IDM (cringe) whirlpool, my personal favourite for win is Venetian Snares too. His stuff on "doll doll doll" is much better than his earlier stuff (mainly due to better diversity and more interesting developments) and hopefully he'll evolve through the gabber style stuff into something more comfortably listenable and still as insane. I hope that Chris Clarke releases something good soon, that cements him in firmly as a future direction. cheerio georgewilliamson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:43djgyn forever> From: "component" <component@mindstorm.com> > But @ the same time, I can still see artis
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quoted 9 lines But @ the same time, I can still see artists popping> But @ the same time, I can still see artists popping > up > and being elevated to a higher plane of status > within that context. > There will always be a flavor of the week, its just > the nature > of things. I'm not saying that this is nescessarilly > a bad thing, > its just the way things are.
I'm hoping the next big thing is far more interesting that the most recent big things... I haven't been very impressed by IDM lately... well, last year did give me both Aphex Twin's "Drukqs" (fuh-Q I like it) and E*Vax's "Parking Lot Music"... and probably some others I'm forgetting. Personally, I'm still riding the Force Inc. / Forcetracks wave... it's way better than all these cut-ups of popular tunes 'glitchified'... that's just as bad as Puff Daddy, people! I'll take the originals anyday.
quoted 6 lines I'm not really looking for the next big thing> I'm not really looking for the next big thing > myself, I'm just > looking for something that will knock me > over....something > that the latest batch of demos I've gotten in hasn't > done.
Well, one day I'll be the next big thing and I'll let you sign me for 7 figures. -djgyn, forever np: Ghostface Killa- "Ghost Showers" ===== ======= "GASR" -(Accession recording artists)- << http://gasr.net >> (updated November 2001) << http://www.accession-records.de >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 18:52Adam Piontek--- djgyn forever <djgyn@yahoo.com> wrote: > the Force Inc. / Forcetracks wave... it's way
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quoted 4 lines the Force Inc. / Forcetracks wave... it's way better> the Force Inc. / Forcetracks wave... it's way better > than all these cut-ups of popular tunes > 'glitchified'... that's just as bad as Puff Daddy, > people! I'll take the originals anyday.
No, what makes Puff Daddy's re-works bad is that he raps over them. "Uh, uh, fuck yeah" ... um, no thanks. Re-working originals can be cool. For example, the "electronica" wave of the mid-90's brought some cool remakes of a lot of old music, like the big-beat swing in the Gap ads (so shoot me, i liked it), and 10-million remixes of the James Bond theme. And Orbital recently re-made the Doctor Who theme, which totally kicked ass. And Bit_Meddler just rocks, period. But none of these people kill the original music by rapping or singing over it, reducing it to nothing more than background music for their own inane ramblings. ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 19:03Blake Irvinsounds like a Tampax ad. blake/ (founder of "brtdm" (Big Red tampon dance music)....) Cloc
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sounds like a Tampax ad. blake/ (founder of "brtdm" (Big Red tampon dance music)....) Clockworm http://mp3.com/clockworm ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 31 lines At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote:> At 09:56 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, audio::nimbus wrote: > >Hm.. interesting topic.. i tend to feel this subject a bit > >more having the opportunity to listen to so much new > >music coming out.. some names would include (but not > >limited to).. > > > >I've also included ~some~ labels these folks have released > >with. > > > >0 Proem (Merck, Neo Ouija, N5MD) > > Maybe Mr. Piontek can help here, but what is the attraction to Proem? All > the stuff I've listened to, which has been a fair amount, has just been > pads, pads pads. And more pads! > > And then, when you think there couldn't be any more pads, what > happens? MORE PADS!! > > Maybe I just like harmonics and melodies that don't take 5 minutes to get > through the first measure :P > > derek > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > snappy one-liner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-02-25 19:29M Mercer>I'm hoping the next big thing is far more interesting >that the most recent big things...
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quoted 10 lines I'm hoping the next big thing is far more interesting>I'm hoping the next big thing is far more interesting >that the most recent big things... I haven't been very >impressed by IDM lately... well, last year did give me >both Aphex Twin's "Drukqs" (fuh-Q I like it) and >E*Vax's "Parking Lot Music"... and probably some >others I'm forgetting. Personally, I'm still riding >the Force Inc. / Forcetracks wave... it's way better >than all these cut-ups of popular tunes >'glitchified'... that's just as bad as Puff Daddy, >people! I'll take the originals anyday.
the difference between someone like bit meddler cutting apart christina aguilera is that he gets the joke. he's making a statement that is more humorous than entrepreneurial. the songs are recycled as equal parts nostalgia and cheekiness. Someone like Puff Daddy seems to be "borrowing" licks and hooks because he doesn't have much of an idea how to make his own. You get into more murky waters when someone like Kid606 releases his "reworkings" of Missy Elliott without crediting her for the track, when in fact the Missy tracks stand up on their own as great production and innovative stuff. So I guess it's a matter of determining where it stops being well-humored "appropriation" or homage and starts becoming blatant rip-offs? Agreed though that the Force Inc. new wave is pretty hot. Akufen will most definitely blow up big-time when his CD drops in May. I'm also looking forward to the Benjamin Wild disc coming out in the next week or 2. I think also the Bpitch Control label (Berlin) will start to get more attention as its records get better and better each time. A couple other artists that will probably be getting more attention are Rechenzentrum who have already released 2 excellent discs on the Kitty-Yo label (as well as some 12" on Shitkatapult). Also, Twine, who have a CD on Bip-Hop due any day now and another on Hefty sometime this year... they've come a long way from their early semi-drum&bass, IDM-tinged days.... "Circulation" on Komplott was just the start of their newer sound, so be on the lookout. Actually Komplott in general has released some other stellar records, by Komp (aka A.Tilliander) and Figurera. Speaking of nostalgia, I can't help but enjoy a lot of the new wave-electro-italo revival stuff that's currently en vogue... Gigolo, Creme, Bunker, Italic... Antonelli Electr's "Me, the disco machine" and the new Felix da Housecat album are both in heavy rotation round these parts. And Miss Kitten and the Hacker nearly blew the roof off Zentra here in Chicago in January ("Motherfuckers are so nice..."). _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-25 21:19cutupsWasn't Venetian snares already the "next big thing". He's already gotten mad hype...when i
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Wasn't Venetian snares already the "next big thing". He's already gotten mad hype...when i first heard his stuff i didn't think it would have any crossover to "IDM" but, then there's been all this talk of him on here, plus, in many ways, his music has evolved to overlap with alot of stuff other artists discussed on here... His stuff is some of the most hyper-edited and complex in its influences no doubt. I just think he's the hot shit. But of course what's next is anybody's guess. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel J. Weinstock" <gweinstock@citynet.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [idm] next big thing
quoted 11 lines OK, so I have a question to pose to the list:> OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > What or who do people think is going to be the next big thing in the IDM > genre? > My bet is Venetian Snares. > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-02-25 22:00cutupsInteresting - i hadn't heard any reviews of the antzen party. That's just the different na
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Interesting - i hadn't heard any reviews of the antzen party. That's just the different nature of the hardcore vs the idm scenes, at least as they stand for the most part. Not to say that people can't go bonkers to idm, or people can't sort of stand around to hardcore. I'd definitely like to see things move to more of a blend and towards people having fun. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Burroughs" <djmatus23@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 94 lines Well, Warp and Mu records, both better get themselves> Well, Warp and Mu records, both better get themselves > sorted out soon, as Ant Zen are quickly replacing them > at the cutting edge of electronica/IDM...and it isn't > even due to the artists on the labels...its the image > too... > > I went to the two recent V. Snares gigs in London (2 > nights in a row, helps to compare, lots) - the first > night, was a Warp night, with Mike Paradinas and a > bunch of other Warp folk about...the second night was > an Ant Zen night, with Stephan (head Ant himself) > DJing and some other acts... > > First night was dull...lots of pretencious folk, in > lo-fi dress (well arranged clothing, in a shabby > style) - general vibe, was of a private view at a > really head-up-your-own-arse art show...V. Snares got > little reaction out of the crowd...drug of choice for > the evening, by most folk, was charlie...of course... > > Second night was great...good support before V. > Snares, apart from the DJ just before, who is the > resident @ the Slimelight (the name of the night, they > were playing at) ...he played the usual cyber-goth > rubbish, with the odd bit of Converter/Hypnoskull type > stuff thrown in, to keep the crowd from falling > asleep...but the crowd were generally up for it...and > the dancefloor was full of maniacs jumping around, and > enjoying themselves, not standing at the side, > scratching their chins (with the appropriate hairs > attached in the Frank Zappa style that suits)...V. > snares was wicked...took the last trancey style track > that was being played, screwed it about, and just > messed with the crowd until they stopped dancing, then > did his thing... > > As for an acid revival...what about Ceephax Acid Crew > (Squarepusher's brother, I believe) - he's doing a > fine job there... > > :) > RoNAn > --- Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > >OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > > >What or who do people think is going to be the next > > big thing in the IDM > > >genre? > > >My bet is Venetian Snares. > > >g. > > > > > I hope you're right. It seems that Aphex, > > Squarepusher and all of > > Planet-Mu are reacting against the current Warp and > > nicey-nicey > > oh-so-subtle glitchy stuff. I like it all, but > > sometimes you can have > > enough of all that nice Arovane stuff and just want > > some F*CKING > > GABBER!!!!!! Hopefully we'll get an acid and drill > > n' bass revival as well. > > > > So ahem, yeah, V Snares it could be. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ===== > > Nothing is true; Everything is permissible... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-02-26 13:09Bill BurroughsTrue, Hymen records are doing well...who are they a split off fom again??? :) RoNAn <-----
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True, Hymen records are doing well...who are they a split off fom again??? :) RoNAn <-------------> Everything is True, Nothing is Permissible ----- Original Message ----- From: "component" <component@mindstorm.com> To: "Bill Burroughs" <djmatus23@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 1 line I would say more-so hymen than Ant-Zen, but they definatey have it going> I would say more-so hymen than Ant-Zen, but they definatey have it going
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quoted 110 lines Rob> > Rob > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Burroughs <djmatus23@yahoo.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing > > > > Well, Warp and Mu records, both better get themselves > > sorted out soon, as Ant Zen are quickly replacing them > > at the cutting edge of electronica/IDM...and it isn't > > even due to the artists on the labels...its the image > > too... > > > > I went to the two recent V. Snares gigs in London (2 > > nights in a row, helps to compare, lots) - the first > > night, was a Warp night, with Mike Paradinas and a > > bunch of other Warp folk about...the second night was > > an Ant Zen night, with Stephan (head Ant himself) > > DJing and some other acts... > > > > First night was dull...lots of pretencious folk, in > > lo-fi dress (well arranged clothing, in a shabby > > style) - general vibe, was of a private view at a > > really head-up-your-own-arse art show...V. Snares got > > little reaction out of the crowd...drug of choice for > > the evening, by most folk, was charlie...of course... > > > > Second night was great...good support before V. > > Snares, apart from the DJ just before, who is the > > resident @ the Slimelight (the name of the night, they > > were playing at) ...he played the usual cyber-goth > > rubbish, with the odd bit of Converter/Hypnoskull type > > stuff thrown in, to keep the crowd from falling > > asleep...but the crowd were generally up for it...and > > the dancefloor was full of maniacs jumping around, and > > enjoying themselves, not standing at the side, > > scratching their chins (with the appropriate hairs > > attached in the Frank Zappa style that suits)...V. > > snares was wicked...took the last trancey style track > > that was being played, screwed it about, and just > > messed with the crowd until they stopped dancing, then > > did his thing... > > > > As for an acid revival...what about Ceephax Acid Crew > > (Squarepusher's brother, I believe) - he's doing a > > fine job there... > > > > :) > > RoNAn > > --- Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >OK, so I have a question to pose to the list: > > > >What or who do people think is going to be the next > > > big thing in the IDM > > > >genre? > > > >My bet is Venetian Snares. > > > >g. > > > > > > > I hope you're right. It seems that Aphex, > > > Squarepusher and all of > > > Planet-Mu are reacting against the current Warp and > > > nicey-nicey > > > oh-so-subtle glitchy stuff. I like it all, but > > > sometimes you can have > > > enough of all that nice Arovane stuff and just want > > > some F*CKING > > > GABBER!!!!!! Hopefully we'll get an acid and drill > > > n' bass revival as well. > > > > > > So ahem, yeah, V Snares it could be. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Nothing is true; Everything is permissible... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2002-02-26 13:19Oliver Siebelthymen is part of ant-zen, a very very good label based in lappersdorf in germany - http://
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2002-02-28 00:39Epistemicnoise@aol.comI'm not sure how new or unknown they are, but based on Hei, I would say Kim Hiorthoy has a
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2002-03-04 21:47Jason StickelSounds brilliant! Er...I think. >From: nethed <nethed@ninjatune.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.o
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Sounds brilliant! Er...I think.
quoted 26 lines From: nethed <nethed@ninjatune.net>>From: nethed <nethed@ninjatune.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] next big thing >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:38:50 +0000 > >this is exactly what the fog album sounds like... > >metaphysical psychosocial architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck >disarray. > >-- > >SOLID STEEL: Coldcut & Friends >Live RADIO - BBC London >94.9FM, Monday, Midnight to 2AM UK Time >Live WEB - BBC London Website >http://www.bbc.co.uk/london >Web ARCHIVE - Groovetech.com >http://www.groovetech.com/solidsteel >LOCAL TIME: http://www.worldtimezone.com >SOLID STEEL presents DJ Food & DK: Now Listen! 1.10.01 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-03-13 14:00John von SeggernTHOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote: > with all hope the next current trend will revolve around controll
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THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote:
quoted 9 lines with all hope the next current trend will revolve around controlled chaos,> with all hope the next current trend will revolve around controlled chaos, > light meets dark, dubbed chill speed breaks, and minimalist audible anarchy > finitely secure and bound with personal yet outward ambiguity, something > that stretches whats expected and retreats to what isnt. old meets new, > dirt meets clean, and all that jazz... more exteme, but not definedly so, > more so in the extremes of multiple soundscapes breaking into each other, a > virtual jackhammer overcoming your verbed out synthetic piano... the > roughest smooth you can attain... > -
Yeah! John
quoted 53 lines http://www.mp3.> > http://www.mp3.com/edgey > http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com > "...when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail..." > THOUGHTBLUDGEON RECORDINGS - SOUND EXTREMES > --- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> > To: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org> > Cc: "Inconvenient Dark Matter" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing > > > At 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote: > > >--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote: > > > > > C) There won't be a "next > > > > > > big thing". There are no more "next big > > > > things". IDM > > > > > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in > > > > a > > > > > > metaphysical psychosocial > > > > > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck > > > > disarray. > > > > > > > > there is always something else over the horizon. it > > > > is naive to believe > > > > that the genre which you inhabit is the final > > > > frontier. > > > > > >I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth, lest > > >I upchuck them on you. > > > > Rather, I believe you said just the opposite -- that the next big thing is > > not going to be v. snares because the next big thing is NOT going to be in > > the genre you inhabit. > > > > Which I agree. Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of > > something, since we had such a broad base to begin with. So all the > mixing > > of genres is like "yeah? we had that back in '96" > > > > derek > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-03-20 21:32thoughtbludgeon@thoughtbludgeon.comwerd! --- http://www.mp3.com/edgey http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com "intellect in rational m
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werd! --- http://www.mp3.com/edgey http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com "intellect in rational movement tries to kill emotion, in doing so, only kills itself." "when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail." THOUGHTBLUDGEON RECORDINGS - SOUND EXTREMES --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John von Seggern" <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com> To: "THOUGHTBLUDGEON" <thoughtbludgeon@thoughtbludgeon.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing
quoted 3 lines THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote:> THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote: > > > with all hope the next current trend will revolve around controlled
chaos,
quoted 1 line light meets dark, dubbed chill speed breaks, and minimalist audible> > light meets dark, dubbed chill speed breaks, and minimalist audible
anarchy
quoted 3 lines finitely secure and bound with personal yet outward ambiguity, something> > finitely secure and bound with personal yet outward ambiguity, something > > that stretches whats expected and retreats to what isnt. old meets new, > > dirt meets clean, and all that jazz... more exteme, but not definedly
so,
quoted 1 line more so in the extremes of multiple soundscapes breaking into each> > more so in the extremes of multiple soundscapes breaking into each
other, a
quoted 42 lines virtual jackhammer overcoming your verbed out synthetic piano... the> > virtual jackhammer overcoming your verbed out synthetic piano... the > > roughest smooth you can attain... > > - > > Yeah! > > John > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/edgey > > http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com > > "...when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail..." > > THOUGHTBLUDGEON RECORDINGS - SOUND EXTREMES > > --- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> > > To: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org> > > Cc: "Inconvenient Dark Matter" <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] next big thing > > > > > At 09:36 AM 2/25/2002 -0800, Adam Piontek wrote: > > > >--- Chop Chop Master Onion <unit@they.org> wrote: > > > > > > C) There won't be a "next > > > > > > > big thing". There are no more "next big > > > > > things". IDM > > > > > > > and indie culture in general is fractured and in > > > > > a > > > > > > > metaphysical psychosocial > > > > > > > architecturalstructurehumpingclusterfuck > > > > > disarray. > > > > > > > > > > there is always something else over the horizon. it > > > > > is naive to believe > > > > > that the genre which you inhabit is the final > > > > > frontier. > > > > > > > >I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth, lest > > > >I upchuck them on you. > > > > > > Rather, I believe you said just the opposite -- that the next big
thing is
quoted 1 line not going to be v. snares because the next big thing is NOT going to> > > not going to be v. snares because the next big thing is NOT going to
be in
quoted 34 lines the genre you inhabit.> > > the genre you inhabit. > > > > > > Which I agree. Nearly everything coming out now is derivative of > > > something, since we had such a broad base to begin with. So all the > > mixing > > > of genres is like "yeah? we had that back in '96" > > > > > > derek > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > -- > John von Seggern > http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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