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i've listened to Prophecy of PANIC, and well, it just isnt any good at all. imagine combining the worst elements of trip-hop and rave, and there you have it. i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn McClements" <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM?

quoted 24 lines Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM?

> > > > > >Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM? > > > >Is there such a thing? > > > I was hoping there wasn't but despite how bad the idea sounds a quick > search shows that there are actually some Christian artists who compare > themselves to RDJ. Check out the the BibleNet recommendations at: > http://users.aol.com/cmx/musicrec.htm > > Apparently Overcome sound like Fugazi and Prophecy of P.A.N.I.C (who are > 'rave/trip-hop' apparently) sound like the Prodigy & Aphex Twin. > > Glenn > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

quoted 1 line i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music

> i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music

What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to cram as much religion into as few words as possible? "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Heh, there's a Christian hardcore techno group called the Prodigal Sons, don't know if they're still around anymore. However, you just sang one of their songs, pretty much. :) I saw them live once (don't ask why). The sounds of Rotterdam were just not meant for American Christian whiteboys. Kyle

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> -----Original Message----- > From: No one in particular [mailto:idm@cocksalad.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:37 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM? > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > > > i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music > > What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to > cram as much religion into as few words as possible? > > "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" > > I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are > trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be > much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

// i think you will find Jeez n Gosh - My Life With Jesus is pretty close to Christian IDM. Imagine glitched over gospel, sung with atomic tongue in cheek. crikey, christian idm indeed. dink // --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sorry, i should have been more specific i meant that i respect their "lifestyle", their approach, and what their music represents, not necessarily the lyrics of the songs ----- Original Message ----- From: "No one in particular" <idm@cocksalad.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM?

quoted 19 lines On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > > > i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music > > What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to > cram as much religion into as few words as possible? > > "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" > > I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are > trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be > much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

quoted 1 line i meant that i respect [...] what their music represents

> i meant that i respect [...] what their music represents

I guess that's my question, though. If there aren't any words, what makes their music represent Christianty? Sure, there are some IDM artists (Richard "Milk Man" James) who are noticibly non-christian, but if you compare two average IDM artists, one Christian, and one secular, are there differences in what their music "represents"? If a serial killer makes good IDM, does that mean his music represents the serial killing lifestyle? Does he twiddle those knobs with a spiteful, angry rage that only a serial killer could? Would you buy it? Where does the meaning in the music come from? This post is full of stupid questions, but I can't help but send it anyway. Sorry. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line If there aren't any words, what makes their music represent Christianty?

> If there aren't any words, what makes their music represent Christianty?

Just some thoughts... It seems to me that everyone has some sort of platform. Even those who adamantly swear they have none... to them, that IS their platform. So for a Christian making IDM-ish music, their "platform" should hopefully be one which shares the knowledge of a real relationship with a very real and living God.

quoted 1 line Too bad they're just as elitist as everyone else.

> Too bad they're just as elitist as everyone else.

The very message of Christianity is quite inclusive, not exclusive. Representations to anything else are misrepresentations if anything. My point with that is that an "elitist" Christian is not very Christian. JMHO. Also, any electronic musician has plenty of opportunity to convey some sort of message; even if the music has not a single word or phrase anywhere in it. There are often printed materials, (CDs, Posters, etc.), There's the web, videos, or live shows, or even when you meet him or her in person on the street, or after a show. There are a ton of IDM artists who play with all kinds of messages of one kind or another from Meat Beat Manifesto to Richard James. So what's wrong with a person who chooses to communicate yet another aspect of our humanity through music; man's relationship to God? I think we should expect it. -matT nashville.tn np://amon tobin/4 ton mantis - bonobo mix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, vis-you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Too bad they're just as elitist as everyone else.

> > Too bad they're just as elitist as everyone else. > > The very message of Christianity is quite inclusive, not exclusive.

Hey now. You're misquoting. I never said anything about Christians being elitist. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM? Is there such a thing? ... 1935 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 5 lines Do you guys know where I can score some Christian

> > Do you guys know where I can score some Christian > IDM? > > Is there such a thing?

Oh God I hope not. I'm not bashing Jesus or anything, but one of the largest attracting factors of idm is its non-missive nature. It is the only genre that seems to successfully be able to avoid those political and religious bandwagons. Punk is the obvious political agenda music, but Christianity has made its way into nearly every musical movement this side of Pakistan. I heard that there is even a Limp Bizket [sp?] Christian counterpart. Almost lost a lung laughing that one off. Christian idm is all idm if you're looking for it. I strongly feel that this style of music is one of the most subjective, and the Christian sentiment that you want can be gained in its strongest form by listening to good music and filling in the often dynamic emotional gaps. If I were to find out that telefon tel aviv were ultra-religious, that'd be fine, but I still wouldn't see religion in their music. I would see my girlfriend and feel us driving out of the city on a rainy Friday night. And that's just the tracks fahrenheit fair enough + ttv. When it loses its subjectivity it loses the "i", and the "dm" can basically go fuck itself. gzvp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 14 lines --- i haven't done that since 1935 <idm@underpop.org>

> --- i haven't done that since 1935 <idm@underpop.org> > wrote: > > > > Do you guys know where I can score some Christian > > IDM? > > > > Is there such a thing? > > > Oh God I hope not. I'm not bashing Jesus or anything, > but one of the largest attracting factors of idm is > its non-missive nature. It is the only genre that > seems to successfully be able to avoid those political > and religious bandwagons.

"Pastor Dave, I have learned of a new form of music out there that the kids are listening to." "Is it evil?" "Some of it. Groups such as 'Board of Canada' and 'Venetian Snares' regularly use samples of children laughing, and name songs things like, 'Befriend a Childkiller'." "Oh, Lord in Heaven! How did this slip by me?" "Well, it's largely an experimental, electronic type of music... I don't think any of our music-droids are trained in the kind of sound-manipulation---" "More like MIND manipulation! Someone re-hire that Circle of Dust guy! Pay him TWICE what 7-11 is paying him!! We must stop this experimental electronic music by copying their experimental techniques and get our youth groups back to singing about Jesus, not these 'Child-killers'!" "Well, one big problem is that there aren't really any lyrics in this type of music, sir. We don't have a way to spread the Good Word without any lyrics..." "Well, you said that Boards of Child-Killers group had samples of children laughing, right?" "Um.. yes sir..." "Well, dad-blame it, get some samples of children's testimonials about how they found Jesus!!" "Yes! Good idea, sir! Excellent! We can one of our musicians use samples of people praising God, and then put them over experimental elements such as 'break beat' and 'vocoder'!" "I don't know what that stuff is, but let's just make sure that the words are easy to hear. We don't want to bury the message in a bunch of electronic mush." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 21 Feb 2002 at 7:09, i haven't done that since 1935 wrote:

quoted 1 line Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM?

> Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM?

Oh yes! There's a (Christian) group called Plaid ... *check the web, it's true* I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM?

> > >Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM? > >Is there such a thing? >

I was hoping there wasn't but despite how bad the idea sounds a quick search shows that there are actually some Christian artists who compare themselves to RDJ. Check out the the BibleNet recommendations at: http://users.aol.com/cmx/musicrec.htm Apparently Overcome sound like Fugazi and Prophecy of P.A.N.I.C (who are 'rave/trip-hop' apparently) sound like the Prodigy & Aphex Twin. Glenn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Anyone got any Buddist gabber? No one in particular wrote:

quoted 20 lines On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > >>i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music >> > >What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to >cram as much religion into as few words as possible? > >"God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" > >I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are >trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be >much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Glenn McClements wrote:

quoted 1 line Anyone got any Buddist gabber?

> Anyone got any Buddist gabber?

"PEACE! LOVE! UNITY!! RESPECT!!!!" If you believe what those ravers preach, they're kinda bhuddist. Too bad they're just as elitist as everyone else. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 9 lines On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Glenn McClements wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Glenn McClements wrote: > > > Anyone got any Buddist gabber? > > "PEACE! LOVE! UNITY!! RESPECT!!!!" > > If you believe what those ravers preach, they're kinda bhuddist. Too > bad > they're just as elitist as everyone else.

Uh... shouldn't that be more like "LIFE! IS! PAIN!... ?" Find me a raver yelling about that. Actually, seems like more of an IDM thing, now that I think of it. Or maybe someone listening to house. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 9 lines On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Glenn McClements wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Glenn McClements wrote: > > > Anyone got any Buddist gabber? > > "PEACE! LOVE! UNITY!! RESPECT!!!!" > > If you believe what those ravers preach, they're kinda bhuddist. Too > bad > they're just as elitist as everyone else.

Uh... shouldn't that be more like "LIFE! IS! PAIN!... ?" Find me a raver yelling about that. Actually, seems like more of an IDM thing, now that I think of it. Or maybe someone listening to house. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i suppose since i'm a christian you could call my sounds christian idm on the other hand, i prefer the terms braindance or freeform-- i'm not as "cool" as, say, boc or amon tobin or venetian snares. i do love panacea, though. er---whatever that means. ' blake/ Glenn McClements wrote:

quoted 33 lines Anyone got any Buddist gabber?

> Anyone got any Buddist gabber? > > No one in particular wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: >> >>> i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music >>> >> >> What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to >> cram as much religion into as few words as possible? >> >> "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" >> >> I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are >> trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be >> much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I think one of the greatest things about IDM(in general) is that doesn't get it self involved too much in such things as religion and politics. Its what it is-Music.....and with all of the conflict and strife and the world thats a good thing. Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" ----- Original Message ----- From: No one in particular <idm@cocksalad.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM?

quoted 18 lines On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > > > i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music > > What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to > cram as much religion into as few words as possible? > > "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" > > I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are > trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be > much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 1 line Anyone got any Buddist gabber?

>Anyone got any Buddist gabber?

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quoted 7 lines On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > >> i meant that i respect [...] what their music represents > >I guess that's my question, though. > >If there aren't any words, what makes their music represent Christianty?

What makes music represent anything? It's all in what the artist wants. If the artist says "this here reprazents my lifestyle" then it does. IF the artist says "this doesn't represent me, I just make it because I like the sounds," then that's true too. Music nearly always represents the artist, which is why there is so much boring music :D So if someone who labels themselves first and foremost as a christian, like, say, the horrible rock band "Creed," then the music and art they create can be labelled "christian." Same with "ghetto" and "eastern" and so on. If someone labels themselves as a "nerd," then they're making nerd music. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines So if someone who labels themselves first and foremost as a christian,

> So if someone who labels themselves first and foremost as a christian, > like, say, the horrible rock band "Creed," then the music and art they > create can be labelled "christian." Same with "ghetto" and "eastern" > and so on. If someone labels themselves as a "nerd," then they're > making nerd music.

Hey, look at me! I just invented "contractor music!" Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Music and opinion are intertwined. I guess just for the sake of conversation - I agree with others that I enjoy a lot of IDM for the novelty and the lack of connection to various ideologies, you can enjoy the aural experience and really get into it in an almost escapist fashion. I dunno, I was thinking about how ideologies apply to IDM, and how you can't really divine one artists' political ideologies from another just by listening to their music. I think a lot of IDM artists who are interviewed stick close to talking about their music and the process, and not their beliefs. I'm not saying this is a bad thing - but in indie, punk, rap, funk, etc etc you hear a lot more expression of one's beliefs instead of just the music. There's more of a message. Just something to think about. I believe it's important for people to make a stand or at least express their opinons, but that's something that comes into play very little with regards to the music this list talks about. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying. Considering the US is being run by a fascist republican cabinet bent on "stablizing" the rest of the world as a distraction while undermining it's own internal systems for the profit of the few, I think expressing alternative opinions is even more necessary than ever (is it ever more or less relevant? I guess not.) My 2 cents. I haven't done that since 1935. On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, wells@submute.net wrote:

quoted 33 lines I'm not trying to start a flame war, but really, why the hell would you want that?

> I'm not trying to start a flame war, but really, why the hell would you want that? > > I mean, most IDM doesn't even have vocals, so are you looking for like cut up, glitchy Gregorian chants or something? > > Maybe like Funkstorung, with some MCs rapping about Jaheeeeezus and can you put your hands in the air for G-O-D over some broken beat? > > Why mix IDM, or electronic music in general, with your religion? Do you generally want everything to be Christian? Is there there Christian wallpaper, salad dressing, fiber optic cabling, track lighting, exercise equipment, etc? > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: i haven't done that since 1935 idm@underpop.org > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:09:21 -0800 (PST) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Christian IDM? > > > > Do you guys know where I can score some Christian IDM? > > Is there such a thing? > > .. 1935 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . >

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You want Christian IDM? The closest thing I can thing of is the Uwe Schmit (Atom Heart) project GEEEZ N GOSH. He has done one album under this alias for the Mille Plateaux label called "My Life With Jesus." It's a nice, although quirky and glitchy, approach to house music with vocal snippets stolen from what I assume are gospel and spiritual songs. I remember I dropped it during a set I did at a house party, and people chuckled and almost grooved. Yeah, boy. -djgyn, forever ===== ======= "GASR" -(Accession recording artists)- << http://gasr.net >> (updated November 2001) << http://www.accession-records.de >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line You want Christian IDM?

> You want Christian IDM?

Oh yeah... Check out n*soul records. (www.nsoul.com) Last time I checked, the quality wasn't up to par with the rest of the scene, but there is a lot out there. -matT nashville.tn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines You want Christian IDM?

> > You want Christian IDM? > > Oh yeah... Check out n*soul records. (www.nsoul.com) > > Last time I checked, the quality wasn't up to par with the rest of the > scene, but there is a lot out there.

Don't know about any other artists on there, but Faith Massive is quite good actually. I've got one of their albums "Visions" featuring some enjoyable jazzy drum'n bass and downtempo tracks ... Bart www.freestylegrooves.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

eloquently put. the three greatest leaders recorded in the christian bible were moses, david, and jesus. all of them were explicitly humble. blake/

quoted 27 lines My

>My > point with that is that an "elitist" Christian is not very Christian. JMHO. > > Also, any electronic musician has plenty of opportunity to convey some sort > of message; even if the music has not a single word or phrase anywhere in > it. There are often printed materials, (CDs, Posters, etc.), There's the > web, videos, or live shows, or even when you meet him or her in person on > the street, or after a show. > > There are a ton of IDM artists who play with all kinds of messages of one > kind or another from Meat Beat Manifesto to Richard James. So what's wrong > with a person who chooses to communicate yet another aspect of our humanity > through music; man's relationship to God? > > I think we should expect it. > > -matT > nashville.tn > > np://amon tobin/4 ton mantis - bonobo mix > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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--- Blake Irvin <wordsounds@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines eloquently put. the three greatest leaders recorded in the christian

> eloquently put. the three greatest leaders recorded in the christian > bible were moses, david, and jesus. all of them were explicitly humble. > > > blake/ >

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I wanna hear Xian Japanoise! ebola np: front 242

quoted 42 lines From: "b.r.i.a.n" <slowriot@zoominternet.net>

>From: "b.r.i.a.n" <slowriot@zoominternet.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM? >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:42:06 -0500 > >sorry, i should have been more specific > >i meant that i respect their "lifestyle", their approach, and what their >music represents, not necessarily the lyrics of the songs > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "No one in particular" <idm@cocksalad.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:36 AM >Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM? > > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, b.r.i.a.n wrote: > > > > > i respect what they're saying, but definitely not their music > > > > What are they saying? If there aren't many words, do they just try to > > cram as much religion into as few words as possible? > > > > "God! God! God! God! Jesus! Rocks! Jesus! Rocks!" > > > > I guess the point of listening to it is just to support people who are > > trying to live a "good" lifestyle? It just seems like there wouldn't be > > much room for promoting that lifestyle in music without (m)any words. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Being one of those crispy-types myself, I found this highly amusing..... mainly because it's soooo true... Very sharp on the humour there. Respect! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ugly and mean" <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> To: "Dr. Gozra Von Peebles" <gozravp@yahoo.com>; "i haven't done that since 1935" <idm@underpop.org>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Christian IDM? | | --- "Dr. Gozra Von Peebles" <gozravp@yahoo.com> wrote: | > --- i haven't done that since 1935 <idm@underpop.org> | > wrote: | > > | > > Do you guys know where I can score some Christian | > > IDM? | > > | > > Is there such a thing? | > | > | > Oh God I hope not. I'm not bashing Jesus or anything, | > but one of the largest attracting factors of idm is | > its non-missive nature. It is the only genre that | > seems to successfully be able to avoid those political | > and religious bandwagons. | | "Pastor Dave, I have learned of a new form of music out there that the | kids are listening to." | | "Is it evil?" | | "Some of it. Groups such as 'Board of Canada' and 'Venetian Snares' | regularly use samples of children laughing, and name songs things like, | 'Befriend a Childkiller'." | | "Oh, Lord in Heaven! How did this slip by me?" | | "Well, it's largely an experimental, electronic type of music... I don't | think any of our music-droids are trained in the kind of | sound-manipulation---" | | "More like MIND manipulation! Someone re-hire that Circle of Dust guy! | Pay him TWICE what 7-11 is paying him!! We must stop this experimental | electronic music by copying their experimental techniques and get our | youth groups back to singing about Jesus, not these 'Child-killers'!" | | "Well, one big problem is that there aren't really any lyrics in this type | of music, sir. We don't have a way to spread the Good Word without any | lyrics..." | | "Well, you said that Boards of Child-Killers group had samples of children | laughing, right?" | | "Um.. yes sir..." | | "Well, dad-blame it, get some samples of children's testimonials about how | they found Jesus!!" | | "Yes! Good idea, sir! Excellent! We can one of our musicians use | samples of people praising God, and then put them over experimental | elements such as 'break beat' and 'vocoder'!" | | "I don't know what that stuff is, but let's just make sure that the words | are easy to hear. We don't want to bury the message in a bunch of | electronic mush." | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games | http://sports.yahoo.com | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org | For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Certainly there is some form of "Christian" IDM. That is, there are Christian people making electronic music. Check out apt.core at www.aptcoremusic.com. Their label is Rocketown Records. (www.rocketownrecords.com) I guess some people like it. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bim Ricketson & Genevieve Dugard" <refinedesign@ozemail.com.au> To: "Idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Christian IDM?

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> // > > i think you will find Jeez n Gosh - My Life With Jesus is pretty close to > Christian IDM. Imagine glitched over gospel, sung with atomic tongue in > cheek. > > crikey, christian idm indeed. > > dink > > // > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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Sharon Clarke wrote:

quoted 2 lines Certainly there is some form of "Christian" IDM. That is, there are

> Certainly there is some form of "Christian" IDM. That is, there are > Christian people making electronic music.

Christian Kleine, Christian Fennesz, Christian Devine^w^w^h^h... I agree... quite a lot of Christians... :) -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Telefon Tel Aviv - Introductory Nomenclature (Fahrenheit Fair Enough) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I haven't been reading this thread word for word but I'm pretty sure this hasn't been mentioned... There is the release on Sprawl called Hmm. Although not specifically Christian, there are a few traditional Christian Hymns that have been given the IDM treatment. Track listing & info: http://www.discogs.com/release/297 -Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

what about the VVM stuff, like on whine and missingtoe or whatever it's called? i wouldn't say the tracks are specifically christian, which would be weird for me, but i would affirm that the idea is to get the sound of childhood, holidays, shopping malls... heheh... good stuff... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org