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2001-10-31 21:25wownflutter [idm] IDM Critical Methods To Avoid Stagnation
├─ 2001-10-31 21:36Maximilien Lincourt RE: [idm] IDM Critical Methods To Avoid Stagnation
└─ 2001-10-31 21:42Shane Beers Re: [idm] IDM Critical Methods To Avoid Stagnation
└─ 2001-10-31 22:16ugly and mean Re: [idm] IDM Critical Methods To Avoid Stagnation
2001-10-31 21:48Hackett, Kelley M. RE: [idm] IDM Critical Methods To Avoid Stagnation
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2001-10-31 21:25wownflutterThis list has very clever and intelligent members... so I thought it would be interesting
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This list has very clever and intelligent members... so I thought it would be interesting if, instead of saying "this artist sux" and then flaming - - lets answer this question... Preface: We all know that different IDM related artists create with vastly different methods, thoughts and approaches. And, many of your are indeed music creators. Question: What methods can an artist use to "keep it fresh, interesting, and emotive?" cheers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 21:36Maximilien Lincourt> This list has very clever and intelligent members... > Hey Thanks ... > Question: > > Wh
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quoted 2 lines This list has very clever and intelligent members...> This list has very clever and intelligent members... >
Hey Thanks ...
quoted 5 lines Question:> Question: > > What methods can an artist use to "keep it fresh, > interesting, and emotive?" >
Artists need to be able to evolve without the need to keep "backward compatibility". I mean that if Artist "X" decide to change style, and his usual followers don't like it ? to bad for them, Artist "X" should'nt be concerned ... he will eventually find others that like the new style. for example, I like Autechre up to tri-repetae, now I don't really care for their new stuff, hey, it's their decision to change, not mine, and I accept that; and I hope that they accept that I'm not buying their CDs ... Or something like that ... Max. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 21:42Shane Beers>Preface: > >We all know that different IDM related artists create >with vastly different
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quoted 11 lines Preface:>Preface: > >We all know that different IDM related artists create >with vastly different methods, thoughts and >approaches. >And, many of your are indeed music creators. > >Question: > >What methods can an artist use to "keep it fresh, >interesting, and emotive?"
Sometimes, they don't even *have* to. (btw, the use of "emotive" is questionable there.) I like when artists get in grooves and release consistently fantastic records. I think the typical characteristic of these "grooves" is that they don't step too far from their earlier work, but still add *something*. I think an excellent example of this is Autechre, from Amber to Chichli Suite (sp, probably. But i dont want to look it up right now). In these albums, you can definitely listen and hear how their style changes through each release. But what is important is that they did not lose what made their music good. What that is was, to me, the overwhelming atmosphere Ae was able to create. When LP5 came out, everything changed. The focus went from atmosphere to mere sound interaction. This was less than desirable. What I loved about Ae was gone. I think the methodology of keeping it fresh and interesting is to be yourself. I think anyone who continues to do anything, be it painting, sewing, playing basketball, whatever, will continue to advance, and go about doing things in more advanced ways. If they do not try to clearly imitate or follow outside influences, they will develop their own style and tweak it, creating new things with the essential parts that they used previously. Using the Ae example brought up before, I strongly believe that Booth and Brown were really *trying* to get away from their old ideas. They had made 4 stong LP's, a bunch of EP's, many remixes, etc. using their old techniques. So they make LP5. It may be what they are interested in doing now, but it wasn't what I wanted to hear. So I am done with the new Autechre. If they had continued to do their "old" style stuff, I think they could have continued to push and tweak it. I think it takes conscious effort to change the way they did. I think that this happens often. Which is why artists continually are losing fans due to changing their fundamental ways of creating music. I am not really faulting artists for wanting to keep things fresh for themselves, as long as they are making music they enjoy. They just can't make me buy it. I think for an artist to keep fans interested, it requires consistency. The fan needs to understand what kind of stuff he/she is going to be buying. I'm not saying make 40 tracks in a month, and slowly release them over a few years, thus making everything sound the same. I think that if the artist goes on developing his talents, the fan will grow with the music. Sometimes the fan cannot do so, as with myself and Ae, and thus they lose my cash. Whether or not I am the one missing out, or the artist, is up for debate. Shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 22:16ugly and mean> They had made 4 > stong LP's, a bunch of EP's, many remixes, etc. using their old > tech
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quoted 7 lines They had made 4> They had made 4 > stong LP's, a bunch of EP's, many remixes, etc. using their old > techniques. So they make LP5. It may be what they are interested in > doing now, but it wasn't what I wanted to hear. So I am done with the > new Autechre. If they had continued to do their "old" style stuff, I > think they could have continued to push and tweak it. I think it > takes conscious effort to change the way they did.
I agree with your thoughts on this. I also think a huge factor with Autechre and others, is new audio software. I don't know a whole lot about Autechre's history, or mac audio software, but I'd be curious to find out what their favorite program is (that one that they write patches for?), and what year it came out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 21:48Hackett, Kelley M.nibble, nibble.... Try putting yourself into it....think of something that you really feel
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nibble, nibble.... Try putting yourself into it....think of something that you really feel strongly about and wont change on, name a couple of the tracks(before you even begin to make the tracks)--sorta as an offshoot or byproduct of this idea, thing or person you feel strongly about. Once you have the large concept you can go from there.....but we really cant judge if its you, we'd only appreciate that you put yourself into it. Example, ole fuckin Esa Ruoho and his Lackluster disguise....I was listening to an older release by Esa and you could really tell that he put himself into it---perhaps without know it.....The songs still are high on my book and will be for some time.....that's all I can ask from anyone. Or say CiM, those sound files are sweet, and most of CiM's music is too. WHY, maybe he's just doing what he does(being himself), whether at 5 min or 30 seconds his overall theme doesnt change, but the sound alters....feel me, hope so! - -- What methods can an artist use to "keep it fresh, interesting, and emotive?" cheers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org