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2001-07-19 13:43Adam Piontek RE: [idm] loving older music
2001-07-19 15:14[idm] Adam Piontek [was: Re: [idm] loving older music]
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2001-07-19 13:43Adam Piontek> -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Wednes
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quoted 6 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:46 PM > > On 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote: > > There's something wonderful about being a teenager
and getting a
quoted 1 line new album for the first time in months, taking it> > new album for the first time in months, taking it
home and holing
quoted 1 line up in your room with the headphones and falling in> > up in your room with the headphones and falling in
love with new
quoted 3 lines music.> > music. > > YES YES YES!!! Why doesn't that happen any more?
Are we just
quoted 1 line too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for> too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for
bigger, better,
quoted 1 line more?> more?
That's a big part of it for me. I've been trying to teach myself lately to tone down my music addiction. Trying to remodel my listening/buying habits to be like they were when I was "happier" with music. Like, back when I was a teenager, I was really into Tori Amos, but all I could get was what they sold at Best Buy. So, I eventually got a bunch of singles, but mostly I would spend months just absorbing the latest album. When you spend that much time on one thing, you really *know* it. I'm focusing a lot more on just albums, and not worrying so much about all the B-sides, remixes, or compilation tracks I might find out there in MP3. When I was a teenager, I didn't know so much about the existence of B-sides, remixes, compilation tracks, etc., and even if I did, it wasn't so easy to have them (MP3s). The thing is, if you really like an album by artist X, you're not necessarily missing anything if that's all you ever hear. Sure, there are probably some killer individual "extra" tracks hiding out there somewhere, like Four Tet's remix of track 1 from SAWII. But it's not such a big deal if I don't hear that stuff.
quoted 1 line These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but> These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but
somehow
quoted 1 line they never enmesh with every single cell in my body> they never enmesh with every single cell in my body
like my old
quoted 1 line music used to.> music used to.
Same here. Sometimes it's just that the music, while I like it, and it's *nice*, it isn't exactly great for me. For example, Delarosa & Asora's Agony is a well-done album, and I can really appreciate it when I listen to it, but it just doesn't make me want to listen to it over and over again. Some music just does not grow on me, no matter how much I listen to it. Whereas Proem's "Negativ" and Chris Clark's "Clarence Park" have been hitting me quite hard lately - I can't stop listening to these and a few other things. Still, I really think the large part of it is not the music itself, but just how much time you spend with something. When I first got Aphex's RDJ album, I was still very much a "1 album-per-month at most" listener, and I just kept listening to that over and over. After a while, I knew that album inside and out. I still do when I listen to it now, and it makes it that much more special to me. However, in the past couple of years I've become a lot more "throw-away consumerist" about music. I'll get a bunch of new music, and as I'm listening to it I make quick judgements and move on to the next thing because there's always *more* to try, and for some reason I feel I need to. "What if I'm missing something amazing?!" The catch-22 here is that if I find something amazing, I'm less likely to recognize it, and if I do recognize it, I'm still going to feel as if I need to move on either A) because there might be something *else* amazing out there that I'm missing, or B) because I have so much stuff, and I should really try to listen to it all equally. This is all pretty rediculous, and most people I'm sure don't have the same difficulties. You're all probably comfortable with how you listen to music. I'm just realizing, however, that I'm not comfortable anymore with how I've come to listen to music. The simple fact for me being that I really really miss being as intimate with an album as I am with some of my older stuff like the RDJ album or my Tori or TMBG albums. I'm not intimate with my newer stuff; I don't know Proem's music by heart, even though I absolutely love it, simply because I don't allow myself the time to truly absorb it. So that's what I'm working against now.
quoted 2 lines I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25>I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25 > years, that is so deeply engrained that I can
imagine every crackle
quoted 1 line and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I> and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I
hear a CD copy
quoted 1 line of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn> of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn
ambience of my
quoted 1 line beloved original.> beloved original.
Yeah, that can happen, though I've always been a CD person, so that doesn't quite apply to me. Although I can say that my sister used to have this "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" album that was a stage recording from England or something, and I listened to it a lot. Later on when I wanted to get a copy for myself (I went threw an Andrew Lloyd Webber phase, so shoot me :P), the Osmond production had opened in America and that's all you could find anywhere. Sometimes, with musicals or classical music, stuff that can be done by many different artists so there's all sorts of different "versions" or "interpretations," the only one you really like is the first one you heard, or at least one specific version. Like, I can only listen to a version of Carmina Burana that was recorded by one particular orchestra. All other versions sound "wrong" to me. This, I have no doubt, comes from being so used to recorded music. Before recordings, I'm sure this didn't happen. People were more into the music itself than a particular manifestation of it. Kind of like, it was the melody of a hymn or jazz tune itself that people liked; not a specific version, because the versions they heard were *always* live and *always* different. The concept of "live music" wasn't even an issue. Whoah, big rantings in this email. Sorry everyone :P
quoted 1 line I think partly this might be due to my obsession> I think partly this might be due to my obsession
with music having
quoted 1 line become something akin to an addiction, and I'm> become something akin to an addiction, and I'm
always looking to
quoted 1 line the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the> the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the
present. Oh, wait, now I've ranted on and on and gone off on tangent after tangent, and you just said it in, like, two sentences! Oh well.
quoted 1 line It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling> It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling
music as a mass-
quoted 1 line market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of> market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of
indulgence. Yeah, that's also part of it. Kind of like the tangent I got off on about "music before it was possible to record it" - recording made the music "industry" possible, and forever altered what was before the "natural" way to hear music. Now it takes willpower and a plan to avoid music addiction! Maybe there should be a 12 step program?
quoted 1 line Cynical? You bet!> Cynical? You bet!
But healthy, too! -Adam, being particularly pedantic today... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 15:14andrei@world.std.comMan, don't you have anything better to do with your time ? You've been posting incessantly
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Man, don't you have anything better to do with your time ? You've been posting incessantly sharing your personal opinions on any/every damn thing several times a day. Get some friends or hobbies or something. Sorry, Andrei Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 175 lines -----Original Message-----> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:46 PM > > > > On 18 Jul 2001, at 7:12, Adam Piontek wrote: > > > There's something wonderful about being a teenager > and getting a > > > new album for the first time in months, taking it > home and holing > > > up in your room with the headphones and falling in > love with new > > > music. > > > > YES YES YES!!! Why doesn't that happen any more? > Are we just > > too damn jaded and locked into the eternal quest for > bigger, better, > > more? > > That's a big part of it for me. I've been trying to > teach myself lately to tone down my music addiction. > Trying to remodel my listening/buying habits to be > like they were when I was "happier" with music. Like, > back when I was a teenager, I was really into Tori > Amos, but all I could get was what they sold at Best > Buy. So, I eventually got a bunch of singles, but > mostly I would spend months just absorbing the latest > album. When you spend that much time on one thing, > you really *know* it. > > I'm focusing a lot more on just albums, and not > worrying so much about all the B-sides, remixes, or > compilation tracks I might find out there in MP3. > When I was a teenager, I didn't know so much about the > existence of B-sides, remixes, compilation tracks, > etc., and even if I did, it wasn't so easy to have > them (MP3s). The thing is, if you really like an > album by artist X, you're not necessarily missing > anything if that's all you ever hear. Sure, there are > probably some killer individual "extra" tracks hiding > out there somewhere, like Four Tet's remix of track 1 > from SAWII. But it's not such a big deal if I don't > hear that stuff. > > > These days, I get new albums, and they're *nice* but > somehow > > they never enmesh with every single cell in my body > like my old > > music used to. > > Same here. Sometimes it's just that the music, while > I like it, and it's *nice*, it isn't exactly great for > me. For example, Delarosa & Asora's Agony is a > well-done album, and I can really appreciate it when I > listen to it, but it just doesn't make me want to > listen to it over and over again. Some music just > does not grow on me, no matter how much I listen to > it. Whereas Proem's "Negativ" and Chris Clark's > "Clarence Park" have been hitting me quite hard lately > - I can't stop listening to these and a few other > things. > > Still, I really think the large part of it is not the > music itself, but just how much time you spend with > something. When I first got Aphex's RDJ album, I was > still very much a "1 album-per-month at most" > listener, and I just kept listening to that over and > over. After a while, I knew that album inside and > out. I still do when I listen to it now, and it makes > it that much more special to me. > > However, in the past couple of years I've become a lot > more "throw-away consumerist" about music. I'll get a > bunch of new music, and as I'm listening to it I make > quick judgements and move on to the next thing because > there's always *more* to try, and for some reason I > feel I need to. "What if I'm missing something > amazing?!" The catch-22 here is that if I find > something amazing, I'm less likely to recognize it, > and if I do recognize it, I'm still going to feel as > if I need to move on either A) because there might be > something *else* amazing out there that I'm missing, > or B) because I have so much stuff, and I should > really try to listen to it all equally. > > This is all pretty rediculous, and most people I'm > sure don't have the same difficulties. You're all > probably comfortable with how you listen to music. > I'm just realizing, however, that I'm not comfortable > anymore with how I've come to listen to music. The > simple fact for me being that I really really miss > being as intimate with an album as I am with some of > my older stuff like the RDJ album or my Tori or TMBG > albums. I'm not intimate with my newer stuff; I don't > know Proem's music by heart, even though I absolutely > love it, simply because I don't allow myself the time > to truly absorb it. So that's what I'm working > against now. > > >I have some old vinyl dating back, ooh - 20, 25 > > years, that is so deeply engrained that I can > imagine every crackle > > and surface scratch before it comes along, and if I > hear a CD copy > > of the same album, it somehow lacks the well-worn > ambience of my > > beloved original. > > Yeah, that can happen, though I've always been a CD > person, so that doesn't quite apply to me. Although I > can say that my sister used to have this "Joseph and > the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" album that was a > stage recording from England or something, and I > listened to it a lot. Later on when I wanted to get a > copy for myself (I went threw an Andrew Lloyd Webber > phase, so shoot me :P), the Osmond production had > opened in America and that's all you could find > anywhere. Sometimes, with musicals or classical > music, stuff that can be done by many different > artists so there's all sorts of different "versions" > or "interpretations," the only one you really like is > the first one you heard, or at least one specific > version. Like, I can only listen to a version of > Carmina Burana that was recorded by one particular > orchestra. All other versions sound "wrong" to me. > This, I have no doubt, comes from being so used to > recorded music. Before recordings, I'm sure this > didn't happen. People were more into the music itself > than a particular manifestation of it. Kind of like, > it was the melody of a hymn or jazz tune itself that > people liked; not a specific version, because the > versions they heard were *always* live and *always* > different. The concept of "live music" wasn't even an > issue. > > Whoah, big rantings in this email. Sorry everyone :P > > > I think partly this might be due to my obsession > with music having > > become something akin to an addiction, and I'm > always looking to > > the next fix, rather than fully enjoying the > present. > > Oh, wait, now I've ranted on and on and gone off on > tangent after tangent, and you just said it in, like, > two sentences! Oh well. > > > It's also partially a fault of the media, peddling > music as a mass- > > market consumable. Gone is the arcane pleasure of > indulgence. > > Yeah, that's also part of it. Kind of like the > tangent I got off on about "music before it was > possible to record it" - recording made the music > "industry" possible, and forever altered what was > before the "natural" way to hear music. Now it takes > willpower and a plan to avoid music addiction! Maybe > there should be a 12 step program? > > > Cynical? You bet! > > But healthy, too! > > -Adam, being particularly pedantic today... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-07-19 15:00Joel JusticeOn Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 09:14 AM, andrei@world.std.com wrote: > Man, don't you have
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On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 09:14 AM, andrei@world.std.com wrote:
quoted 9 lines Man, don't you have anything better to do with your time ? You've been> Man, don't you have anything better to do with your time ? You've been > posting > incessantly sharing your personal opinions on any/every damn thing > several times a > day. Get some friends or hobbies or something. > > Sorry, > Andrei >
I hate reading posts like this. Andrei, don't be a jerk. Figure out how to use the delete key on your keyboard. I have enjoyed Adam's posts, and can relate. For many years I fed my music addiction and acquired lots and lots of CD's and vinyl, often buying stacks of stuff at a time. Lately, as I am making less money, buying a house, and pouring money into other things, I have had to slow my buying habits, and this has made me revisit alot of music that I just blew by the first time. I have especially enjoyed grabbing 10 CD's by feel, popping them quickly in the changer, hitting shuffle play and just listening -- enjoying the surprises and the fact that sometimes I can't identify what it is I am hearing. There is SO much subtlety in much of the music discussed here, and much creativity. It's nice to slow down the forward pitch of consumerism and appreciate what you have '-) joel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-19 15:25Navigator DI happen to enjoy alot of adam's posts....and he's most likely at work...i'm sure he has f
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I happen to enjoy alot of adam's posts....and he's most likely at work...i'm sure he has friends and he obviously has a hobby...geez...lighten up erik
quoted 14 lines From: andrei@world.std.com>From: andrei@world.std.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Adam Piontek [was: Re: [idm] loving older music] >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:14:23 -0400 > >Man, don't you have anything better to do with your time ? You've been >posting >incessantly sharing your personal opinions on any/every damn thing several >times a >day. Get some friends or hobbies or something. > >Sorry, >Andrei >
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