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1994-03-09 13:26re: DRUGS
2000-09-15 18:09Gause, Brian RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation
└─ 2000-09-15 18:28Ian Pojman RE: [idm] drugs
2001-05-10 19:34Josh Brown [idm] drugs
└─ 2001-05-18 13:16The Chisa Re: [idm] drugs
└─ 2001-05-18 23:41Peter Schrock Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 13:29wells@submute.net RE: Re: [idm] drugs
└─ 2001-05-18 13:40The Chisa RE: Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 15:11Joshua Brown Re: [idm] drugs
├─ 2001-05-18 16:02skism RE: [idm] drugs
├─ 2001-05-18 16:36vis-you Re: [idm] drugs
│ ├─ 2001-05-18 19:18The Chisa Re: [idm] drugs
│ │ ├─ 2001-05-18 20:33vis-you Re: [idm] drugs (warning... no IDM subject matter present)
│ │ ├─ 2001-05-19 13:50Irene McC Re: [idm] drugs
│ │ └─ 2001-05-25 19:34butt chowder Re: [idm] drugs
│ └─ 2001-05-18 23:56Peter Schrock Re: [idm] drugs
├─ 2001-05-18 19:12The Chisa Re: [idm] drugs
└─ 2001-05-18 23:45Peter Schrock Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 19:29Joshua Brown Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 19:34Jesse McCoppin RE: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 19:52Jeff Pitrman Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-18 23:21Ebola 3 Re: [idm] drugs
2001-05-19 00:16Myroslaw Bytz [idm] re: drugs
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1994-03-09 13:26RIMELLBD@ibm3090.computer-centre.birmingham.ac.ukAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STOP IT!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! darko
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AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STOP IT!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! darko
2000-09-15 18:09Gause, BrianAll I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not trying to say that bein
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RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation
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All I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not trying to say that being stoned or drunk makes you a better artist. What I AM trying to say is that the human brain is complex. Sometimes a drug or a drink can open new pathways to thought and some people enjoy this. And, yes, my analogies do work. I'm not trying to claim that being deaf is like being stoned except to say that on the outside (i.e. those NOT personally affected), these states of being are impossible to comprehend completely. My point is that judging artists to have 'wasted' their talent or 'misused' their gifts is a mistake. Firstly, some may have benefitted from their fate (whether chosen or not) in ways you cannot understand and, secondly, pretending to understand such conditions, THEN judging others on this is irresponsible. I'm not talking about artists being satisfied with their production or how artists feel about their interactions with the world, I'm talking about not judging people (artists and everyone else) by or because of their living conditions. Shame on you for not seeing that. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: James R McPherson [mailto:andregurov@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation Need I use the example of none other an artist than John Coltrane, who was kicked out of Miles' classic quintet b/c of a serious heroin addiction. I believe the central point is that people with serious problems create great art in spite of addiction, not because of it. You mention musicians with whom YOU have no first hand experience. Has Brian Eno spoken with YOU about how fantastic his production work with Laraaji was? And how much better it was when he passed out in the engineering chair? Or did Hendrix tell how fantastic the music in his head was while in a 16 hour rush? In a 16 hour crash? I seriously doubt any artist will be gratified with his production, whether straight or stoned. This drive is what continues to make them vital. The sides of this issue can be debated ad nauseum by people of OUR uninformed ilk. But so charismatic and plainly wrong an example as Beethoven's deaf work holds false when measured up to Konitz's quite personal observation. There is a world of difference between being addled and being deaf, and in being epileptic and smoked out. Shame on you for not knowing and noting the difference. Try keeping your analogies on the same level of logic. Yes, some IDM records sound quite fantastic while under the influence (well, when I can manage to get them on the turntable!). I just hope the people who make these (and any others I own) don't think they can drive as well under the influence as they can write music to/with/under it. Back on topic: Lackluster's _Container_ is wonderful. Or, in Hk!'s words, "I dig it, fellas & Cats!" Hmm, we don't know what we got 'til it's gone ; ) Without Kelly, I feel my Nuron addiction going into withdrawal. J
quoted 11 lines *****************>***************** >This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th >Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good? >Does >the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear? >I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and >millions >of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with >ZERO >first-hand experience. >****************
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2000-09-15 18:28Ian Pojmanare you guys accomplishing much by nitpicking back and forth on a list about electronic mu
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are you guys accomplishing much by nitpicking back and forth on a list about electronic music? i guess im the pot calling the kettle black... anyway, about drugs, tripping especially, I learned that after I used them to open my mind that I really didnt need them. I guess that counts as having opened up my mind, but I feel, er, I know that the true artistic ingenuity lies in the soul. Emotions. And I feel this is what lacks in a lot of IDM nowadays, its just, to quote a friend, digital masturbation. you dont need drugs, or a handicap, you need something to struggle with, that is to say an apex to strive towards. thats my POV. Drugs fuck with your emotions, so thats how I see them coming into play. anyway. enough about drugs already?
quoted 115 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause@SECTORBASE.COM] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:09 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation > > > All > > I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not > trying to say > that being stoned or drunk makes you a better artist. What I AM trying to > say is that the human brain is complex. Sometimes a drug or a > drink can open > new pathways to thought and some people enjoy this. > > And, yes, my analogies do work. I'm not trying to claim that being deaf is > like being stoned except to say that on the outside (i.e. those NOT > personally affected), these states of being are impossible to comprehend > completely. > > My point is that judging artists to have 'wasted' their talent or > 'misused' > their gifts is a mistake. Firstly, some may have benefitted from > their fate > (whether chosen or not) in ways you cannot understand and, secondly, > pretending to understand such conditions, THEN judging others on this is > irresponsible. > > I'm not talking about artists being satisfied with their production or how > artists feel about their interactions with the world, I'm talking > about not > judging people (artists and everyone else) by or because of their living > conditions. > > Shame on you for not seeing that. > > ---brian > > ------------------------ > Brian W. Gause > Senior Technical Writer > SECTORBASE.com > 568 Howard Street > First Floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > Direct: (415) 365-8203 > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James R McPherson [mailto:andregurov@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation > > > Need I use the example of none other an artist than John Coltrane, who > was kicked out of Miles' classic quintet b/c of a serious heroin > addiction. I believe the central point is that people with serious > problems create great art in spite of addiction, not because of it. You > mention musicians with whom YOU have no first hand experience. Has Brian > Eno spoken with YOU about how fantastic his production work with Laraaji > was? And how much better it was when he passed out in the engineering > chair? Or did Hendrix tell how fantastic the music in his head was while > in a 16 hour rush? In a 16 hour crash? I seriously doubt any artist > will be gratified with his production, whether straight or stoned. This > drive is what continues to make them vital. The sides of this issue can > be debated ad nauseum by people of OUR uninformed ilk. But so > charismatic and plainly wrong an example as Beethoven's deaf work holds > false when measured up to Konitz's quite personal observation. > There is a world of difference between being addled and being deaf, and > in being epileptic and smoked out. Shame on you for not knowing and > noting the difference. Try keeping your analogies on the same level of > logic. > > Yes, some IDM records sound quite fantastic while under the influence > (well, when I can manage to get them on the turntable!). I just hope the > people who make these (and any others I own) don't think they can drive > as well under the influence as they can write music to/with/under it. > > Back on topic: Lackluster's _Container_ is wonderful. Or, in Hk!'s > words, "I dig it, fellas & Cats!" Hmm, we don't know what we got 'til > it's gone ; ) Without Kelly, I feel my Nuron addiction going into > withdrawal. > > J > > >***************** > >This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th > >Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good? > >Does > >the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear? > >I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and > >millions > >of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with > >ZERO > >first-hand experience. > >**************** > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-05-10 19:34Josh Brownall drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, pcp, and huffing gas
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all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never would have been popularized in the first place... Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and environment to do the less dangerous ones... We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for this??? IDM is cool but the name sucks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-18 13:16The ChisaI agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been trying to curta
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I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on to the next generation. I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far enough. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote:
quoted 33 lines all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid,> all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, > pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... > > people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > would have been popularized in the first place... > > Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not > get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... > > maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, > they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a > part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to > go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about > drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... > > for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through > certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for > this??? > > IDM is cool but the name sucks > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-05-18 23:41Peter SchrockI don't know if I would go so far to include "MURDER" and such. I might be so inclined to
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I don't know if I would go so far to include "MURDER" and such. I might be so inclined to agree with the concept of, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others pursuit of happiness, let it be legal, YES, even drugs! I cannot condone the concept of legalizing murder or stealling and such. The problem with seatbelt laws and such is that they supposedly save citizens from having to spend a lot of tax payer dollars cleaning up the mess of those who don't wear seatbelts or wear helmets, etc. on 5/18/01 6:16 AM, The Chisa at matt@holland.deathhouse.net wrote:
quoted 66 lines I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been> > I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been > trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the > term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these > days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the > hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and > hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on > to the next generation. > > I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far > enough. > > > m@2zo > www.thechisa.com > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > the shadow of death!'" > > -- Mr. T > > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote: > >> all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, >> pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... >> >> people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... >> when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, >> only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. >> >> Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never >> would have been popularized in the first place... >> >> Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs >> will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and >> environment to do the less dangerous ones... >> >> We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not >> get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... >> >> maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, >> they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a >> part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to >> go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about >> drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... >> >> for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through >> certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for >> this??? >> >> IDM is cool but the name sucks >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-05-18 13:29wells@submute.netyeah, man! fucking go! make murder legal! and rape, too! shit! my day would be so much bri
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yeah, man! fucking go! make murder legal! and rape, too! shit! my day would be so much brighter had i just off'ed that motherfucker in the SUV at the light this morning. shit man, kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out. who is the government to tell me who i can and can't kill? they ain't god, man. shit, dude! Original Message: ----------------- From: The Chisa matt@holland.deathhouse.net Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:16:58 -0400 (EDT) To: josh@undertone.com, idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] drugs I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on to the next generation. I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far enough. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote:
quoted 33 lines all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid,> all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, > pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... > > people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > would have been popularized in the first place... > > Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not > get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... > > maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, > they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a > part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to > go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about > drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... > > for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through > certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for > this??? > > IDM is cool but the name sucks > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-05-18 13:40The ChisaYes! That's what I'm saying. Except for the bit about God. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like Da
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Yes! That's what I'm saying. Except for the bit about God. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Fri, 18 May 2001, wells@submute.net wrote:
quoted 85 lines yeah, man! fucking go! make murder legal! and rape, too! shit! my day would be so much bri> yeah, man! fucking go! make murder legal! and rape, too! shit! my day would be so much brighter had i just off'ed that motherfucker in the SUV at the light this morning. > > shit man, kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out. who is the government to tell me who i can and can't kill? they ain't god, man. > > shit, dude! > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: The Chisa matt@holland.deathhouse.net > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:16:58 -0400 (EDT) > To: josh@undertone.com, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] drugs > > > > I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been > trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the > term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these > days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the > hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and > hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on > to the next generation. > > I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far > enough. > > > m@2zo > www.thechisa.com > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > the shadow of death!'" > > -- Mr. T > > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote: > > > all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, > > pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... > > > > people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > > when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, > > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > > > Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > > would have been popularized in the first place... > > > > Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > > environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > > > We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not > > get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... > > > > maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, > > they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a > > part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to > > go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about > > drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... > > > > for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through > > certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for > > this??? > > > > IDM is cool but the name sucks > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at > http://www.mail2web.com/ . >
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2001-05-18 15:11Joshua Brownyour logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution, but you reach t
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your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution, but you reach the right conclusion in regards to drugs so I am not going to worry about it. In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I feel that when used properly they can enhance rather than detract... Note that all human cultures use drugs and that we are one of the only species who do. by the way, there is no god, and murder should be illegal, because there is a victim. At 06:16 AM 5/18/2001, The Chisa wrote:
quoted 59 lines I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been>I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been >trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the >term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these >days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the >hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and >hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on >to the next generation. > >I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far >enough. > > >m@2zo >www.thechisa.com > > >"Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of >the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in >the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of >the shadow of death!'" > >-- Mr. T > > >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote: > > > all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, > > pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... > > > > people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > > when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, > > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > > > Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > > would have been popularized in the first place... > > > > Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > > environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > > > We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not > > get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... > > > > maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, > > they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a > > part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to > > go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about > > drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... > > > > for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through > > certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for > > this??? > > > > IDM is cool but the name sucks > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-05-18 16:02skism> In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I > feel that when
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quoted 4 lines In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I> In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I > feel that when used properly they can enhance rather than detract... Note > that all human cultures use drugs and that we are one of the only species > who do.
Anyone ever read any Iain M Banks books, he's got these cool things called drug glands, they allow the person to "gland" any drug thats programmed into their DNA into their blood stream... that would definatly be the coolest thing ever!! not just for fun, also things that increase perception, slow down time etc... Plenty of his books would make excellent films, and there's been talk of a few, i reckon a good electronic soundtrack would suit.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-18 16:36vis-you> people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > when there is n
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quoted 2 lines people do not need their government to protect them from themselves...> people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > when there is no victim, there is no crime...
What about when YOU are the victim from the drugs you take? (i.e. your job, your brain cells, your health?) What about the family and friends that care about you and have to watch you drug yourself and possibly even become addicted? What about the person killed in a car accident because the person that hit them decided to drive under the influence? I suppose you disagree, but there is almost (notice the almost) always a victim when it comes to drugs.
quoted 2 lines drugs do not cause crime,> drugs do not cause crime, > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime.
Even if legal, drugs would never be free of charge, which leads me to ask about the people who decide to rob, beat, and even kill someone else for a buck to fund their next high? Are drugs not a part of that crime equation? The legality of drugs doesn't seem to be an issue in that case, just the overwhelming desire fill that need; a desire which overrides every sense of right and wrong.
quoted 2 lines Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never> Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > would have been popularized in the first place...
Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs. Always. Legal or not.
quoted 3 lines Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs> Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > environment to do the less dangerous ones...
Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the tamer ones. They often claim they tried harder ones either for experimentation and/or out of bordem with the tamer ones. I just can't believe that with easier access, this reasoning would just disappear.
quoted 1 line Don't frighten kids into not learning the truth about drugs> Don't frighten kids into not learning the truth about drugs
Agreed. Teach them the TRUTH; all of it.
quoted 1 line and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive....> and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive....
Education might help with whether drugs are attractive or not; especially if kids feel like they've been given the real deal about them. Physically spending time with and emotionally staying involved in your kid's life helps too. -matT nashville.tn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-18 19:18The ChisaOn Fri, 18 May 2001, vis-you wrote: > What about when YOU are the victim from the drugs yo
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quoted 2 lines What about when YOU are the victim from the drugs you take? (i.e. your job,> What about when YOU are the victim from the drugs you take? (i.e. your job, > your brain cells, your health?)
My perogative.
quoted 2 lines What about the family and friends that care about you and have to watch you> What about the family and friends that care about you and have to watch you > drug yourself and possibly even become addicted?
Not my problem. They can choose to care, or turn away.
quoted 2 lines What about the person killed in a car accident because the person that hit> What about the person killed in a car accident because the person that hit > them decided to drive under the influence?
I don't drive, but as I've said before: there are no innocents. Nature selected that poor sap out. It happens.
quoted 2 lines I suppose you disagree, but there is almost (notice the almost) always a> I suppose you disagree, but there is almost (notice the almost) always a > victim when it comes to drugs.
If the victim is oneself, who cares? Even in your car accident analogy, I'd do time for that, so I'm the loser again. All repercussions come back to the self.
quoted 3 lines Even if legal, drugs would never be free of charge, which leads me to ask> Even if legal, drugs would never be free of charge, which leads me to ask > about the people who decide to rob, beat, and even kill someone else for a > buck to fund their next high? Are drugs not a part of that crime equation?
Sure. But there are people who will kill you for a Playstation 2, too. Should they be illegal?
quoted 2 lines Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs. Always.> Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs. Always. > Legal or not.
I ceratinly hope so. I'm fucking bored of ketamine already.
quoted 4 lines Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the tamer ones. They> Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the tamer ones. They > often claim they tried harder ones either for experimentation and/or out of > bordem with the tamer ones. I just can't believe that with easier access, > this reasoning would just disappear.
This is that "marijuana leads to other drugs" crap, isn't it? Please. You may as well claim masturbation leads to getting laid.
quoted 1 line Agreed. Teach them the TRUTH; all of it.> Agreed. Teach them the TRUTH; all of it.
Agreed, as well. Make sure they know the risks. And if they choose it anyway, let them. m@2zo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-18 20:33vis-you> My perogative. > Not my problem. They can choose to care, or turn away. > Nature selecte
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quoted 1 line My perogative.> My perogative.
quoted 1 line Not my problem. They can choose to care, or turn away.> Not my problem. They can choose to care, or turn away.
quoted 1 line Nature selected that poor sap out. It happens.> Nature selected that poor sap out. It happens.
quoted 2 lines If the victim is oneself, who cares?...> If the victim is oneself, who cares?... > All repercussions come back to the self.
quoted 2 lines Agreed, as well. Make sure they know the risks. And if they choose it> Agreed, as well. Make sure they know the risks. And if they choose it > anyway, let them.
The big difference here is caring about someone, anyone other than yourself. (or in your case, including yourself). caring about your family caring about your friends caring about the "poor sap" you just killed... caring. No matter how much you think you can, you can't cut yourself off from being part of the human race... and that means socializing with, interacting with, and yes even caring for others. If that's crap... then so be it.. and please pass the crap. -matT (leaving this thread and heading back toward IDM... somewhere on the horizon) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-19 13:50Irene McCOn 18 May 2001, someone wrote: > > Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with
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On 18 May 2001, someone wrote:
quoted 2 lines Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the> > Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the > tamer ones.
Just got to ask this : where (do you think) alcohol and cigarettes stand in this equation? Does their legal availability make them any 'better'?
quoted 1 line Teach them the TRUTH; all of it.> Teach them the TRUTH; all of it.
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2001-05-25 19:34butt chowder> > > Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs. > Always. > > Legal
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quoted 6 lines Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs.> > > Man is an innovative creature. There will always be "new" drugs. > Always. > > Legal or not. > > I ceratinly hope so. I'm fucking bored of ketamine already.
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2001-05-18 23:56Peter SchrockWhere does this concept of Legalize Drugs=No Crime. Did anybody watch that movie "GOOD FEL
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Where does this concept of Legalize Drugs=No Crime. Did anybody watch that movie "GOOD FELLAS", supposedly based on a true story? Even if it wasn't, the concept is real. I am not talking about Ray Liotta's drug dealings toward the end of the movie either. The first part, where they stole the cigarette trucks to resale them. CRIME!!! It happens whether it's legal or not. People sell cigarettes to minors, that is a crime, kids drinking under the legal age, that is a crime. Anyway, I feel that no matter how you look at it, there will always be crime, legal or not. on 5/18/01 9:36 AM, vis-you at mguest@isdn.net wrote:
quoted 19 lines drugs do not cause crime,>> drugs do not cause crime, >> only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > Even if legal, drugs would never be free of charge, which leads me to ask > about the people who decide to rob, beat, and even kill someone else for a > buck to fund their next high? Are drugs not a part of that crime equation? > The legality of drugs doesn't seem to be an issue in that case, just the > overwhelming desire fill that need; a desire which overrides every sense of > right and wrong. > >> Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs >> will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and >> environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > Most people who move on to heavier drugs start out with the tamer ones. They > often claim they tried harder ones either for experimentation and/or out of > bordem with the tamer ones. I just can't believe that with easier access, > this reasoning would just disappear. >
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2001-05-18 19:12The ChisaYou really just don't get it, do you. LSD has nothing more to do with evolution than beer,
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You really just don't get it, do you. LSD has nothing more to do with evolution than beer, cheese perogies or anything else you injest. When you take ANY substance you are simply re-mixing bits of your brain and body to enhance certain aspects and debilitate others. And you're right, there is no God. But there are no innocents, either. Now then, since we've gotten off on such a bloody stupid tangent, can we all get back to talking about IDM for a change? m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Fri, 18 May 2001, Joshua Brown wrote:
quoted 79 lines your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution,> your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution, > but you reach the right conclusion in regards to drugs so I am not going to > worry about it. > > In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I > feel that when used properly they can enhance rather than detract... Note > that all human cultures use drugs and that we are one of the only species > who do. > > by the way, there is no god, and murder should be illegal, because there is > a victim. > > At 06:16 AM 5/18/2001, The Chisa wrote: > > >I agree with this line of argument for different reasons: humans have been > >trying to curtail the effects of natural selection ever since defining the > >term, and frankly, i believe that's why things suck so much these > >days. The morons who should have died horrible deaths long ago at the > >hands of Fate have been saved by drug laws, seat belts, safety goggles and > >hardhats, leaving them free to procreate and pass their inferior genes on > >to the next generation. > > > >I say: MAKE EVERYTHING LEGAL, EVEN MURDER. Man's hubris has gone far > >enough. > > > > > >m@2zo > >www.thechisa.com > > > > > >"Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > >the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > >the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > >the shadow of death!'" > > > >-- Mr. T > > > > > >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Josh Brown wrote: > > > > > all drugs should be legal... yes, even crack, heroin, ice, meth acid, > > > pcp, and huffing gasoline and not wearing a seatbelt... > > > > > > people do not need their government to protect them from themselves... > > > when there is no victim, there is no crime... drugs do not cause crime, > > > only the illegality and expense of drugs causes crime. > > > > > > Had opium, cocaine etc... been legal, these hardcore derivitives never > > > would have been popularized in the first place... > > > > > > Once drugs are decriminalized, the demand for dangerous addictive drugs > > > will go down, and people will become educated and have safe places and > > > environment to do the less dangerous ones... > > > > > > We can start working on harm reduction technologies to help people not > > > get addicted in the first place or to help them get off the stuff.... > > > > > > maybe in the future, many people will have issues with addiction, well, > > > they need help... guess what, everyone needs therapy.. so make therapy a > > > part of life... whatever your problems are, there should be somewhere to > > > go work on them... DOn't frighten kids into not learning the truth about > > > drugs and don't make them forbidden and hence more attractive.... > > > > > > for me it is a freedom of religion issue... I believe that through > > > certain drugs I can communicate with my "god". Why am I persecuted for > > > this??? > > > > > > IDM is cool but the name sucks > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-05-18 23:45Peter Schrocksome of us believe in a god. well, at least I do, but that is for another list, isn't it.
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some of us believe in a god. well, at least I do, but that is for another list, isn't it. on 5/18/01 8:11 AM, Joshua Brown at josh@undertone.com wrote:
quoted 11 lines your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution,> your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution, > but you reach the right conclusion in regards to drugs so I am not going to > worry about it. > > In my view... drugs actually represent the future of human evolution. I > feel that when used properly they can enhance rather than detract... Note > that all human cultures use drugs and that we are one of the only species > who do. > > by the way, there is no god, and murder should be illegal, because there is > a victim.
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2001-05-18 19:29Joshua Brownwell according to my ethnobotany instructor back in college, drugs from plant sources have
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well according to my ethnobotany instructor back in college, drugs from plant sources have A LOT to do with human evolution. Did you know, in fact that there are only 3 classes of species on this planet that contain molecules of the seratonin variety in their brains? Those 3 being Apes (including humans), whales/dolphins, and psychedelic mushrooms. That's right, psilocybin is actually very similar to seratonin. In fact, some have theorized that pre-hominid era, there were some proto-simian ape-like creatures who happened to live in an area that contained psychedelic mushrooms, ate them as part of their diet, and received consciousness as a side effect... Eventually that consciousness became so important to their survival that they evolved to manufacture the chemical themselves inside their own brains. Over time they evolved into humans and the rest is history... Of course, this is just a theory, but I tend to like it... In any case, we are the most "spiritual" animal, and in every culture on earth drugs, and especially psychedelics have been used for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years to communicate with god/gods even if god is something only real within the mind, it has been an important ally in our survival and evolution, and drugs have always been a part of it.... I am not talking about recreational use of crack or heroin here... Just pointing out that drugs are part of our humanity in the same way that music, art, philosophy and science are... So are war, rape, torture and environmental destruction... draw your own conclusions. music would be impossible without drugs, hence the conneciton with IDM. Every chemical in your brain is a powerful psychedelic drug, especially the ones you hear and compose music with. Reality itself is just a drug induced hallucination. "Objective" reality is just the parts of that hallucination we all agree exist... by the way, if there are no innocents, then there are no guilty either, and I fail to see the relevance of moralization in a descriptive theory of music, drugs and consciousness. At 12:12 PM 5/18/2001, The Chisa wrote:
quoted 8 lines You really just don't get it, do you.>You really just don't get it, do you. > >LSD has nothing more to do with evolution than beer, cheese perogies or >anything else you injest. When you take ANY substance you are simply >re-mixing bits of your brain and body to enhance certain aspects and >debilitate others. > >And you're right, there is no God. But there are no innocents, either.
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2001-05-18 19:34Jesse McCoppinPerogies are yukky > ---------- > From: The Chisa > cheese perogies or anything else you i
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Perogies are yukky
quoted 3 lines ----------> ---------- > From: The Chisa > cheese perogies or anything else you injest
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2001-05-18 19:52Jeff PitrmanAt 03:18 PM 5/18/2001 -0400, The Chisa wrote: >This is that "marijuana leads to other drug
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quoted 2 lines This is that "marijuana leads to other drugs" crap, isn't>This is that "marijuana leads to other drugs" crap, isn't >it? Please. You may as well claim masturbation leads to getting laid.
It doesn't?! What the fuck have any of us been posting to this list for? I assumed the mass verbal jerking was going to have some payoff. What a rip. ---- Jeff Pitrman http://component.robotcore.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-05-18 23:21Ebola 3Physiological evolution has for the most point stagnated. Cultural evolution (or at least
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Physiological evolution has for the most point stagnated. Cultural evolution (or at least change) continues. This is where drugs have the most possibilities. Ebola np: Xingu Hill
quoted 13 lines From: Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com>>From: Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com> >To: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] drugs >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:11:41 -0700 > >your logic is flawed, and you have very little understanding of evolution, >but you reach the right conclusion in regards to drugs so I am not going to >worry about it. > >> >At 06:16 AM 5/18/2001, The Chisa wrote: >
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2001-05-19 00:16Myroslaw Bytzhave any of you ever heard the story of the bug in the rug? it would do many of you some g
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