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Gause, Brian
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Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:09:26 -0700
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RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation
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All I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not trying to say that being stoned or drunk makes you a better artist. What I AM trying to say is that the human brain is complex. Sometimes a drug or a drink can open new pathways to thought and some people enjoy this. And, yes, my analogies do work. I'm not trying to claim that being deaf is like being stoned except to say that on the outside (i.e. those NOT personally affected), these states of being are impossible to comprehend completely. My point is that judging artists to have 'wasted' their talent or 'misused' their gifts is a mistake. Firstly, some may have benefitted from their fate (whether chosen or not) in ways you cannot understand and, secondly, pretending to understand such conditions, THEN judging others on this is irresponsible. I'm not talking about artists being satisfied with their production or how artists feel about their interactions with the world, I'm talking about not judging people (artists and everyone else) by or because of their living conditions. Shame on you for not seeing that. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: James R McPherson [mailto:andregurov@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation Need I use the example of none other an artist than John Coltrane, who was kicked out of Miles' classic quintet b/c of a serious heroin addiction. I believe the central point is that people with serious problems create great art in spite of addiction, not because of it. You mention musicians with whom YOU have no first hand experience. Has Brian Eno spoken with YOU about how fantastic his production work with Laraaji was? And how much better it was when he passed out in the engineering chair? Or did Hendrix tell how fantastic the music in his head was while in a 16 hour rush? In a 16 hour crash? I seriously doubt any artist will be gratified with his production, whether straight or stoned. This drive is what continues to make them vital. The sides of this issue can be debated ad nauseum by people of OUR uninformed ilk. But so charismatic and plainly wrong an example as Beethoven's deaf work holds false when measured up to Konitz's quite personal observation. There is a world of difference between being addled and being deaf, and in being epileptic and smoked out. Shame on you for not knowing and noting the difference. Try keeping your analogies on the same level of logic. Yes, some IDM records sound quite fantastic while under the influence (well, when I can manage to get them on the turntable!). I just hope the people who make these (and any others I own) don't think they can drive as well under the influence as they can write music to/with/under it. Back on topic: Lackluster's _Container_ is wonderful. Or, in Hk!'s words, "I dig it, fellas & Cats!" Hmm, we don't know what we got 'til it's gone ; ) Without Kelly, I feel my Nuron addiction going into withdrawal. J
quoted 11 lines *****************>***************** >This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th >Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good? >Does >the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear? >I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and >millions >of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with >ZERO >first-hand experience. >****************
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