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I can see that enrolling myself on this list again is more pain than it's worth. The faulty assumptions on a garden variety of topics and far-flung mind reading are really laughable. Oh wait, this is the internet. Take for instance our friend that flew up to NYC for the Autechre show... hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to make sure that there are t-shirts to sell. The group's designs came late from Europe. With that said, there's going to be merch starting in Chicago, so you can fly on up there if you'd like... or there's always Warpmart. I'm also sorry that we weren't down there in force handing out free copies of the new album to appease you, let alone selected back catalog, postcards for shows that don't yet exist and YOU CAN'T HAND OUT STICKERS AT CLUBS IN NYC WITHOUT PISSING OFF THE OWNERS. That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here. We did put some very nice posters up before the show both nights, but unless you were one of the first ten people there each night (and two of you have had to have been women, since I put a couple up in the ladies' room). As far as your inability to recognize the songs because you didn't have "Confield." already, well that's our fault. We decided to make sure the packaging was right for the US, instead of faulty or incomplete. Artists don't care about things like that. Nevermind the fact that they aren't really playing anything from then new album, so you wouldn't have recognized anything you heard anyhow, most likely. Their entire UK tour took place before the album came out over there as well. But, just so some poor soul in the future won't have to suffer the gross injustice you had to endure, next time we'll just cancel those dates leading up to the release date. sounds like a plan :-) KCG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 10 May 2001, kris gillespie wrote:

quoted 7 lines But, just so some poor soul in the future won't have to suffer the gross

> But, just so some poor soul in the future won't have to suffer the gross > injustice you had to endure, next time we'll just cancel those dates > leading up to the release date. > > sounds like a plan :-) > > KCG

Kris, you forgot to promise to send out Warp promos that have good packaging too, with big words that say "limited edition promo of _____ copies". You want to make sure that reviewers can fully exploit the riches of eBay once they are done with them. You don't want to make the same, um, mistake that Ninja Tune did with CD-Rs. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 10.50 -0700 1-05-10, Brian MacDonald wrote:

quoted 3 lines Kris, you forgot to promise to send out Warp promos that have good

>Kris, you forgot to promise to send out Warp promos that have good >packaging too, with big words that say "limited edition promo of _____ >copies".

actually, what surprises me is that warp spends A TON of money on special promo packaging and sampler discs. i don't get it. wouldn't it be better/cheaper to send reviewers the same product that ends up in the store? you'd get more accurate reviews that way. yes, i know i'm whining. but i'm trying to ask serious questions, too. in the end all i want is to be able to do the best job i can. hs -- ____________________________________________________________ LOGIC: 1. I can't so you mustn't. 2. I can but you mustn't. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 10 May 2001 Kris Gillespie explained:

quoted 4 lines hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to make sure that there are t-shirts

> hmm... Well, it's not a label's job to make sure that there are t-shirts > to sell. The group's designs came late from Europe. With that said, > there's going to be merch starting in Chicago, so you can fly on up there > if you'd like... or there's always Warpmart.

Fair enough about it *not* being the label's job. Autechre and their manager failed. So for at least the first seven dates of this tour there will be no merchandise of any kind. Do you really think that Warpmart will care about this? No, we'll still have to pay quite a bit more due to the excahnge rate plus expensive shipping to the U.S.

quoted 4 lines I'm also sorry that we weren't down there in force handing out free copies

> I'm also sorry that we weren't down there in force handing out free copies > of the new album to appease you, let alone selected back catalog, > postcards for shows that don't yet exist and YOU CAN'T HAND OUT STICKERS > AT CLUBS IN NYC WITHOUT PISSING OFF THE OWNERS.

Never said any of that. Please re-read:

quoted 4 lines Also, there was absolutely no Warp Records USA presence of any kind. I

>> Also, there was absolutely no Warp Records USA presence of any kind. I >> thought for sure there would be promo items floating around (ie posters, >> postcards, stickers). In fact, there weren't even any flyers for the show >> itself!

Posters meaning smallish promotional posters that are sent out to radio stations, trade publications, record shops, etc highlighting a new release or the band itself. Postcards being the same. The kind of things you find on your way out of shops usually by the door on a table or in a box. Cheap freebies. Didn't know about that sticker thing... ...regardless, those were just examples. This was the first show I had ever been to where there were absolutely no souvenirs or memorablia of any kind. Not even a small photocopied flyer for the show! I hear so much about Warp shows and Warp parties in the UK having really cool flyers and freebies. Small local bands with no label support at all do better promoting themselves. I'm not saying necessarily that I was *expecting* to get free stuff... it just amazed me that the first dates of probably Warp's biggest signing were not really promoted or hyped by their US office which had also just opened up recently. This was Warp USA's big chance to promote itself along with one of its hottest artists. Definitely a missed opportunity and a bad business decision on someone's part. I give Warp USA about a year. Remember Mute USA? Remember PIAS USA? They heavily promoted themselves and still ended up shutting down. If you want to make a presence for yourself you can't just rely on word-of-mouth and some random magazine ads. Is Warp USA a serious long-term venture or a money-pit?

quoted 1 line That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here.

> That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here.

I couldn't tell. Were they? I mean their fans will always welcome them here, but will their label still be around to bring them or other Warp artists back? THIS is the label's responsibility, and so far Warp/Warp USA is failing. If and when no other Warp artist tours the US, it will be because Warp USA failed both itself as a label and us as its fans.

quoted 3 lines We did put some very nice posters up before the show both nights, but unless

> We did put some very nice posters up before the show both nights, but unless > you were one of the first ten people there each night (and two of you have had > to have been women, since I put a couple up in the ladies' room).

Whatever. You just wasted money on getting those printed. You might as well have given them away the night of the show itself. What's the point of printing up very nice posters if they aren't going to be seen well before the show? So, your target audience was ONLY the people who were at that club on Thursday the 3rd? Walking around Manhattan I saw several really cool posters for other clubs and other events. While sitting around downstairs at the Bowery ballroom there were several handbills and nicely printed cardstock flyers on the tables for future events. Hell, there were even gutter-punks outside the Autechre show handing out flyers for other future events. Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if it were important to promote it? .`-). christopher miller o o.' evil@fdt.net == ' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ummmm....Mute is still in business. Christian Vogel's last record is really good. Jeff on 5/10/01 1:08 PM, Christopher Miller at evil@fdt.net wrote:

quoted 1 line Remember Mute USA?

> Remember Mute USA?

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On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote:

quoted 2 lines Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a

> Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a > domestic release.

How was the album? The impression that I got from their live show was of reheated French cabaret music (ou est-il, Jacques Brel?) in a vaguely Portishead style. The Francophile influence seems to be so pervasive as to manifest itself in Ms. Goldfrapp's wardrobe (I mean, what's more French than wearing military gear with no obvious intention of ever using it in a combat situation?). On the other hand, reviews of the album seem consistently positive, so you never know. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"Felt Mountain" has its moments, but I wouldn't say it's a necessary pickup. She seems to focus on the cabaret style a little too much, and the album has a number of slow spots. Some of the stuff sounds derivative (if you've heard "Human" I think you know what I mean). She also reuses this same melody a few times on the album. I guess you could say it's a theme for her album, but it mostly just irritates me. That said, I think she has a lot of potential. I saw her last week in New York (went to see Plaid open for her), and I was rather impressed by her vocal abilities (it's one thing to sing on a recording... another to mirror that live). Her backing band gave her songs a lot more flair, and "Utopia" sounded wonderful. She covered Olivia Newton John's "Physical" that night, too. If she could grow stronger in the songwriting department, Ms. Goldfrapp could be a real talent. -Ryan p.s. - she wore the combat gear and beret in NYC, too :) At 05:34 PM 5/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 19 lines On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote:

>On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ryan Schilling wrote: > > > Yeah, I got the Goldfrapp album last year; that was on Mute and it was a > > domestic release. > >How was the album? The impression that I got from their live show was of >reheated French cabaret music (ou est-il, Jacques Brel?) in a vaguely >Portishead style. The Francophile influence seems to be so pervasive as to >manifest itself in Ms. Goldfrapp's wardrobe (I mean, what's more French >than wearing military gear with no obvious intention of ever using it in a >combat situation?). On the other hand, reviews of the album seem >consistently positive, so you never know. > > -rob > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Thu, 10 May 2001 14:08:04 -0400, Christopher Miller:

quoted 2 lines Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if

> Then again, the show was sold out so maybe Warp USA didn't feel as if > it were important to promote it?

Fortunately they didn´t. There wasn´t a bit of merchandising / flyers etc. here in Germany as well. Ae shouldn´t become too big. My friend + all the people I know still don´t know about Ae (had to go to the latest Ae-gig alone), hope this won´t change! BTW., anyone knows a good source for europ./american Charts (Top 100.000) so that I can see how "Top" Ae is? TIA, Michael. -- Michael Scheer <listen@autechre.de> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Just to interrupt your ass tearing, mighty Christopher Miller... Down the street from me at our record store Johnny Law, there are posters for the upcoming Mogwai and Autechre shows. Here's the interesting bit. They're both in Austin, 4 hours south of Denton. Mogwai is playing Dallas, Autechre is not. Dallas is 1 hour south. Don't ask me, I don't know. Maybe the venue did the fliers or something. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 8 lines That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here.

> > That is unless you'd rather Warp artists not be welcome here. > > I couldn't tell. Were they? I mean their fans will always welcome > them here, but will their label still be around to bring them or other Warp > artists back? THIS is the label's responsibility, and so far Warp/Warp USA > is failing. If and when no other Warp artist tours the US, it will be > because Warp USA failed both itself as a label and us as its fans. >

quoted 1 line actually, it is NOT always a label's responsibility to put they're arists on tou

>>>>>actually, it is NOT always a label's responsibility to put they're arists on tour, that's why there are booking agents and management. a label can only urge the artist to do so. of course, what artist would not tour for their own self-promotion and benefit. if an artist does not tour it is a decision the artist has made for one reason or another. if an artist does not come to a specific city it is usually due to time constraints, routing, sales demographics, etc. it is however, the labels job to promote the artists that are traveling to make sure it is a successful run.

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