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quoted 7 lines Hey guys, this thread has long since lost any connection to the topic

> Hey guys, this thread has long since lost any connection to the topic > of this mailing list. Please knock it off or take it off the list. > Thanks. > > respectfully yours, > > kurt

Oh good, now we can all get back to strutting around like the pretentious fucks we are. And you just KNOW I was so much more enjoying the threads about fucking Confield. I am so tired of deleting 80 messages a day and I am sick of reading everyones inane, banal, and puerile little thoughts. There are a few of you who actually contribute something worthwhile and I thank you for that. But if you automatically think I am talking about YOU, you're probably wrong. And to debase myself to the level of this list, I hated Confield too, I cannot stand Autechre even though I give them chance after chance. Even going to see them live because people hold them in such high regard. I have a girlfriend who loves IDM. Now what other thread can I bring up that refuses to seep away and slowly fucking die? I am unsubscribing now, something I should have done a long time ago. And don't bother to write me to complain about me airing all my complaints on the list. You've read this far, haven't you? Grow up people. Unsubscribe and go outside. Throw a frisbee around. Chat up someone pretty. And to leave you on a positive note, here's something from tigerbeat6.com/cex that I thought maybe you'd all be interested in. enjoy! david. "Here you have 1000 or so people getting messages in their mailbox from the same 50 or 60 people -- the vast, vast majority of whom are easily identifiable as electronic music artists of some caliber or another by the (frequently lengthy and shockingly immodest [oh god, you're one to talk about modesty, rjyan...]) tag-lines at the end of their emails which give their name, email, web site, their label's website and possibly a list of the last sixteen records they put out and where to buy them. And they're all talking about music as if they were just regular people whose own identities weren't completely at stake with every single judgment they make. People are having these arguments and discussions when it's painfully, painfully obvious that no one's really talking about THAT music, they're talking about THEIR music -- even when they don't come out and say they are (which is actually rarer than you'd think.) I used to get upset when heads would bash the IDM-list. Virtually every electronic musician who knows of its existence has horrible things to say about it, especially electronic musicians who have garnered some modicum of success. Now, I have to capitulate: basically, the whole thing is pretty useless unless you plan on being one of the vocal minority who will pretend like their opinions about music don't have everything to do with their own goals and own career. Musicians don't really know anything about music. Fortunately, good musicians don't need to have objective opinions on music, because for us, the regular non-musicianal people, the primary concern is getting these guys to make more good music. Who cares what Artist X thinks about Artist Y's new record. Bad musicians can S[uck] their own D[ick]s and hoot and holler at each other all they want: regular people don't give a damn, and with good reason. It's like -- every music head has an agenda. They relate to other music through their agenda, almost never independently of it. And the majority of people who like music are not music makers. Yet the music makers are dominating most of these conversations. Especially in the electronic music game, but the same thing can be observed to a slightly lesser extent happening with the rock and the hip hop games." (Rjyan Kidwell, 4/30/01)

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wow, what a antagonist! I hope he finds his happiness elsewhere. on 5/5/01 2:08 PM, anachronistic at analogueskin@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 85 lines Hey guys, this thread has long since lost any connection to the topic

> > >> Hey guys, this thread has long since lost any connection to the topic >> of this mailing list. Please knock it off or take it off the list. >> Thanks. >> >> respectfully yours, >> >> kurt > > > Oh good, now we can all get back to strutting around like the pretentious > fucks we are. And you just KNOW I was so much more enjoying the threads > about fucking Confield. I am so tired of deleting 80 messages a day and I > am sick of reading everyones inane, banal, and puerile little thoughts. > There are a few of you who actually contribute something worthwhile and I > thank you for that. But if you automatically think I am talking about YOU, > you're probably wrong. And to debase myself to the level of this list, I > hated Confield too, I cannot stand Autechre even though I give them chance > after chance. Even going to see them live because people hold them in such > high regard. I have a girlfriend who loves IDM. Now what other thread can I > bring up that refuses to seep away and slowly fucking die? I am > unsubscribing now, something I should have done a long time ago. And don't > bother to write me to complain about me airing all my complaints on the > list. You've read this far, haven't you? > > Grow up people. Unsubscribe and go outside. Throw a frisbee around. Chat > up someone pretty. > > And to leave you on a positive note, here's something from > tigerbeat6.com/cex that I thought maybe you'd all be interested in. > > enjoy! > > david. > > "Here you have 1000 or so people getting messages in their mailbox from the > same 50 or 60 people -- the vast, vast majority of whom are easily > identifiable as electronic music artists of some caliber or another by the > (frequently lengthy and shockingly immodest [oh god, you're one to talk > about modesty, rjyan...]) tag-lines at the end of their emails which give > their name, email, web site, their label's website and possibly a list of > the last sixteen records they put > out and where to buy them. And they're all talking about music as if they > were just regular people whose own identities weren't completely at stake > with every single judgment they make. People are having these arguments and > discussions when it's painfully, painfully obvious that no one's really > talking about THAT music, they're talking about THEIR music -- even when > they don't come out and say they are (which is actually rarer than you'd > think.) > > I used to get upset when heads would bash the IDM-list. Virtually every > electronic musician who knows of its existence has horrible things to say > about it, especially electronic musicians who have garnered some modicum of > success. Now, I have to capitulate: basically, the whole thing is pretty > useless unless you plan > on being one of the vocal minority who will pretend like their opinions > about music don't have everything to do with their own goals and own career. > > Musicians don't really know anything about music. Fortunately, good > musicians don't need to have objective opinions on music, because for us, > the regular non-musicianal people, the primary concern is getting these guys > to make more good music. Who cares what Artist X thinks about Artist Y's new > record. > > Bad musicians can S[uck] their own D[ick]s and hoot and holler at each > other all they want: regular people don't give a damn, and with good reason. > It's like -- every music head has an agenda. They relate to other music > through their agenda, almost never independently of it. And the majority of > people who like music are not music makers. Yet the music makers are > dominating most of these conversations. Especially in the electronic music > game, but the same thing can be observed to a slightly lesser extent > happening with the rock and the hip hop games." > > (Rjyan Kidwell, 4/30/01) > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Oooh, am I too late for this merry fracas? May I respectfully add, with even a hint of on-topic-ness (well, I'd argue it goes to music obsession and adulation) - do go and see Almost Famous. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org