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02/10/01 while playing Knock Kings 2001 on PSOne I played some IDM tunes as well here's the playlist: -Shuttle 358 (12k) -Kit Clayton (~scape) -Modula Green (FAX) -Sabres of Paradise (Warp) blah blah blah what the heck do you care what I played on my living room stereo last night??? You don't! Nor do I fucking care about what you played on your radio show. If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! if you need to share the info with the listeners of your show, TELL THEM to email you PRIVATELY for the f'ing info. They click on a website to access your show, i'm sure on the website it has contact info, no??? WAIT for them to ask you for the playlist instead of clogging up other peeps email boxes. -g "Anything that separates us is junk. Cause when it rains, both the pope and the prostitute get wet" -Carlos Santana on racism :::...\|/ unity in diversity\|/..::: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 2/11/01 12:13:40 PM, galaxey@sdccu.net writes: << If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! >> Are you conserving bandwidth for a some special reason ? what the hell is wrong with playlists? Personally i like to see what people are playing. calm down ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Speak for yourself. It's interesting to me to see what plays on various people's shows. I'll tune in once in a while to shows that do plays things I'm curious about. Things I wouldn't have access to otherwise. Moreover, it saves some time when you know which shows you want to try versus the millions of radio shows / stations that now broadcast over the Internet. And best of all, a lot of these online radio show hosts do contribute to this list often by sending new releases lists, reviews, etc. I don't see how this is any worse as the yearly top 10 list, or a simple n.p. one-liner at the bottom of an email. How hard is it to press delete when a message doesn't interest you? Do you expect each and every message from the IDM list to be insightful and important? I'm sure many-a-folks just delete both the playlists, and complaints like yours. You must just HATE getting party flyers on your car's windshield... :) sqrrt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: 11 février, 2001 15:05 Subject: [idm] In my living room Playlist 02/10/01

quoted 15 lines 02/10/01 while playing Knock Kings 2001 on PSOne

> 02/10/01 while playing Knock Kings 2001 on PSOne > I played some IDM tunes as well here's the playlist: > -Shuttle 358 (12k) > -Kit Clayton (~scape) > -Modula Green (FAX) > -Sabres of Paradise (Warp) > blah blah blah > what the heck do you care what I played on my living room stereo last > night??? You don't! Nor do I fucking care about what you played on your > radio show. If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't > need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith > > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! > > if you need to share the info with the listeners of your show, TELL THEM

to

quoted 3 lines email you PRIVATELY for the f'ing info. They click on a website to access

> email you PRIVATELY for the f'ing info. They click on a website to access > your show, > i'm sure on the website it has contact info, no??? WAIT for them to ask

you

quoted 5 lines for the playlist instead of clogging up other peeps email boxes.

> for the playlist instead of clogging up other peeps email boxes. > > -g > > "Anything that separates us is junk. Cause when it rains, both the pope

and

quoted 10 lines the prostitute get wet"

> the prostitute get wet" > -Carlos Santana on racism > :::...\|/ unity in diversity\|/..::: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I'd much rather get hostile emails bitching about something than a simple innocent playlist. they're just so... inconspicuous.. bleehh.. cheers, /derek At 03:34 PM 2/11/2001 -0500, Sqrrt wrote:

quoted 71 lines Speak for yourself. It's interesting to me to see what plays on various

>Speak for yourself. It's interesting to me to see what plays on various >people's shows. I'll tune in once in a while to shows that do plays things >I'm curious about. Things I wouldn't have access to otherwise. Moreover, it >saves some time when you know which shows you want to try versus the >millions of radio shows / stations that now broadcast over the Internet. > >And best of all, a lot of these online radio show hosts do contribute to >this list often by sending new releases lists, reviews, etc. > >I don't see how this is any worse as the yearly top 10 list, or a simple >n.p. one-liner at the bottom of an email. > >How hard is it to press delete when a message doesn't interest you? Do you >expect each and every message from the IDM list to be insightful and >important? I'm sure many-a-folks just delete both the playlists, and >complaints like yours. > >You must just HATE getting party flyers on your car's windshield... > >:) > >sqrrt > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: 11 février, 2001 15:05 >Subject: [idm] In my living room Playlist 02/10/01 > > > > 02/10/01 while playing Knock Kings 2001 on PSOne > > I played some IDM tunes as well here's the playlist: > > -Shuttle 358 (12k) > > -Kit Clayton (~scape) > > -Modula Green (FAX) > > -Sabres of Paradise (Warp) > > blah blah blah > > what the heck do you care what I played on my living room stereo last > > night??? You don't! Nor do I fucking care about what you played on your > > radio show. If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't > > need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith > > > > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! > > > > if you need to share the info with the listeners of your show, TELL THEM >to > > email you PRIVATELY for the f'ing info. They click on a website to access > > your show, > > i'm sure on the website it has contact info, no??? WAIT for them to ask >you > > for the playlist instead of clogging up other peeps email boxes. > > > > -g > > > > "Anything that separates us is junk. Cause when it rains, both the pope >and > > the prostitute get wet" > > -Carlos Santana on racism > > :::...\|/ unity in diversity\|/..::: > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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hello. i just want to put in a quick "yes please" to posting radio show playlists to this list. AS A READER OF THE IDM LIST seeing playlists helps me find new artists. if i see list of artists that i love, and then a few that i do not know of, it gives good hints on what to check out. we do not have NEARLY enough reviews here, and reading playlists often puts new and unkown artists (or big ones i have never heard) into some kind of context that gives more of a hint of what they sound like than "autechre are the bomb". this is without listening to the shows.. and the playlists certainly give me an indication if i want to listen to someone's show, which of course leads to the exposure of SO MANY artists that we talk about here. AS A PUBLIC RADIO SHOW HOST (very "me me me") i am assuming most folks posting playlists here simply volunteer their time to do a radio show with very little payback (for what it is worth, promos are nice, but i have never really met a public radio show host that is simply working for the promos). that means they are excited about what they do and want to share it with people (gil, of all people, should be familiar with this need to share :). beyond that, playlists help radio show hosts get listeners and expose people to new music -- which is a FUN FUN thing i think... and, of course, they also help the radio show host *get new music* (or emails about new music) to play for people. oh, and for me, i just like to see that there are other people in this world doing the whole silly radio thing with similar tastes to me. no joke, it is a fucking pain in the ass to find people that like the same kinds of music as i do.. it is even harder to find people that host radio shows that play music like i play, and this list has allowed me to see that im not alone in doing what i do (or did, i guess). PERHAPS AS AN ARTIST it has to be nothing but ENCOURAGING for list members in bands to be reading through email and see their names pop up on playlists. in so many ways, this can only help them, and i think most of the playlists that get posted here PLAY THE MUSIC OF THE PEOPLE N THE LIST. A LITTLE SUGGESTION someone once wrote me and asked me to put "PLAYLIST" as the first word of posts with playlists. they were really nice about it, so i did. by doing this, i allowed folks to run filters against those emails. too, too tired, chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'll take playlists over hostility anyday. Besides that, I think they are kinda neat......not to clog up bandwidth or anything. Rob component _________________________ www.componentrecords.com _________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <MilkAlive@aol.com> To: <galaxey@sdccu.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [idm] In my living room Playlist 02/10/01

quoted 16 lines In a message dated 2/11/01 12:13:40 PM, galaxey@sdccu.net writes:

> > In a message dated 2/11/01 12:13:40 PM, galaxey@sdccu.net writes: > > << If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't > need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith > > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! >> > > Are you conserving bandwidth for a some special reason ? what the hell is > wrong with playlists? Personally i like to see what people are playing. calm > down ! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I disagree - I have found out about several really good broadcasts by reading the playlists that are posted here. How hard is it for you to delete the msgs with "Playlist" in the header? Don't even bother complaining about bandwidth and filesize of a damn 30-line email - that arguement is so tired. If you're subscribed to the IDM list in the first place, then you are already accustomed to finding your inbox slammed with 30+ emails a day - most of which are junkmail anyways. Ed :::::: Future Funk & Fury :::::: ::: http://www.nubreaks.com ::: > what the heck do you care what I played on my living room stereo last > night??? You don't! Nor do I fucking care about what you played on your > radio show. If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't > need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith > > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines I disagree - I have found out about several really good broadcasts by

> I disagree - I have found out about several really good broadcasts by > reading the playlists that are posted here.

true. i think the best webcast i've heard were from lance. very smooth mixing and _very_ good tracks... shaun -- {{{5x}}} :::by the dawn so you don't have to::: :::http://24.108.117.188 ::: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 Gilly complained:

quoted 1 line CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS!

> CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS!

I've got to say that I agree with this. I haven't ever really cared about any of the playlists ever posted to this mailing-list. Useless information really. What's the point? A vanity post for self promotion? I think that brief description and a url would be sufficient. There are just so many of them every day... can you guys please come up with a less in-your-face solution to whatever you are trying to do? .`-). christopher miller o o.' evil@fdt.net == ' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line I think that brief description and a url would be sufficient

> I think that brief description and a url would be sufficient

how is this different from sending the playlist? either way you push delete if you don't want to read it. do you need your fuckin mom to sort your email? figure it out, and if it annoys you that much just block the sender. this is a music topic list and these playlists are definitely ON TOPIC. end of story. -jonah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I think that brief description and a url would be sufficient

>> I think that brief description and a url would be sufficient

quoted 10 lines how is this different from sending the playlist? either way you push

>how is this different from sending the playlist? either way you push > >delete >if you don't want to read it. do you need your fuckin mom to sort your >email? figure it out, and if it annoys you that much just block the > >sender. > >this is a music topic list and these playlists are definitely ON TOPIC. > >end >of story. >-jonah

not to be a pain in the ass, as I don't mind playlists at all, but for those of us on _digest_ there is a big difference between a 2 line post and a 75 line one, as I must scroll through every line of text, whether i find the topic useful or not. i think for sale/trade lists would benefit more than playlists by being referrenced by url instead of being fully posted to the list, as those take up much more of my time to scroll through and are generally less diverse, and thus to me useless. however i've been on this list long enough to know that good suggestions will be disregarded very quickly. :P cheers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I find playlists less annoying than "For Sale Lists". If I want to buy something I'll look for it on my own. The whole point of advertising it on this list is to try and drive more and higher bids. If a practice was dropped that would be my preference. Sadly, playlists often express more content than most posts. The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes. The philosophy of this list has been to talk about electronic music we like, so it doesn't seem out of place to chart music of this nature. As someone pointed out, it's not likely most of these people are making money from their shows. They do it for the love of the music, if they want to share that cool. Their playlists could be a good source to find out about other artists. I know you are pretty much happy just buying Atom Heart, so i can see why you wouldn't care as much for non-Atom Heart charts. If Atom Heart posted a weekly chart on IDM, I doubt you would complain.

quoted 13 lines From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net>

>From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> >what the heck do you care what I played on my living room stereo last >night??? You don't! Nor do I fucking care about what you played on your >radio show. If I DID I would have listened and if I listened, I wouldn't >need you to clog up the list with this lousy waste of bandwith > >CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! > >if you need to share the info with the listeners of your show, TELL THEM to >email you PRIVATELY for the f'ing info. They click on a website to access >your show, >i'm sure on the website it has contact info, no??? WAIT for them to ask you >for the playlist instead of clogging up other peeps email boxes.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> To: <galaxey@sdccu.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [idm] In my living room Playlist 02/10/01 : I find playlists less annoying than "For Sale Lists". If I want to buy : something I'll look for it on my own. The whole point of advertising it on : this list is to try and drive more and higher bids this is a sad fact. But now that whitezone is gone I do like FS lists (tho they should say "email me private" for the list) Likewise with the Playlists IMO. : Sadly, playlists often express more content than most posts. this is true, I agree. : : The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes. The : philosophy of this list has been to talk about electronic music we like, so : it doesn't seem out of place to chart music of this nature. OK, but everyday in the digest there is like 5 playlists, enuff man. As someone : pointed out, it's not likely most of these people are making money from : their shows. what does money have to do with how it irritates me... I'm not talking about money. : Their playlists could be a good source to find out about other artists. Likewise are For Sale lists. Over the years I've come across releases I wished I'd bought back in the day only hope of getting it is the chance of a FS list, cuz those things are outta print. Example: Afx mix of Falling Free. : : I know you are pretty much happy just buying Atom Heart, so i can see why : you wouldn't care as much for non-Atom Heart charts. If Atom Heart posted a : weekly chart on IDM, I doubt you would complain my love his music has nothing to do with my position on Playlists. I see your point. Playlists show to others on the list that radio person's taste and info on the music. Wouldn't be better to just listen to the friggin show??? No. OK, fine every week, I'm gonna post every stupid tune I listened to the nite before cuz I know you all really give a shit... on the way to work, my playlist in the car was: Link - Antacid (warp) bye, g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines : Sadly, playlists often express more content than most posts.

>: Sadly, playlists often express more content than most posts. > >this is true, I agree.

I highly doubt that 40% of the content on this list interests every single list member. You just take what you want from the list. What one person finds interesting and useful will be boring to another. I don't care about posts about IDM music appearing in TV ads, but for some people they are interested.

quoted 8 lines : The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes.

>: The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes. >The >: philosophy of this list has been to talk about electronic music we like, >so >: it doesn't seem out of place to chart music of this nature. > > >OK, but everyday in the digest there is like 5 playlists, enuff man.

Your complaining about 5 posts a day??? Damn, what's 5 extra clicks on the delete button.

quoted 7 lines As someone

> As someone >: pointed out, it's not likely most of these people are making money from >: their shows. > > >what does money have to do with how it irritates me... >I'm not talking about money.

I guess my point is that I would rather people post about their interest in the music, versus their interest to cash in by trying to get ridiculous bids.

quoted 7 lines : Their playlists could be a good source to find out about other artists.

>: Their playlists could be a good source to find out about other artists. > >Likewise are For Sale lists. Over the years I've come across releases I >wished I'd bought back in the day only hope of getting it is the chance of >a >FS list, cuz those things are outta print. Example: Afx mix of Falling >Free.

See a perfect example of what interest one and not another.

quoted 3 lines I see your point. Playlists show to others on the list that radio person's

>I see your point. Playlists show to others on the list that radio person's >taste and info on the music. Wouldn't be better to just listen to the >friggin show???

So are you ok with people promoting their shows, just not showing what they play? Many of the people that have shows have contributed quite a bit of good discussion to the list.

quoted 2 lines No. OK, fine every week, I'm gonna post every stupid tune I listened > to

>No. OK, fine every week, I'm gonna post every stupid tune I listened > to >the nite before cuz I know you all really give a shit...

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At 11:11 PM 2/12/2001 -0500, Christopher Miller wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Ron Jeremy concluded:

>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Ron Jeremy concluded: > > > I find playlists less annoying than "For Sale Lists". > > Ok, but there are far more playlists posted than FS lists by far. And >there are already list-rules in place that limit the size/length of these FS >lists. I suggest that there be the same type of guidelines set for >playlists... like maybe each person/organization can only post them twice a >month. Just an example, not necessarily a solution. > > With the FS lists, they are generally short and not a regular >serialized thing you see every week from the same people. I do admit though >that there are two or three people who post the same FS list every week... >and those are usually far too long. I wish those'd stop too.

well, almost all the playlists currently listed are in long vertical lists. maybe people should create more horizontal lists :) or like, a nice pretty table. maybe all the radioshow people should get together and just send out some HUGE mail at the end of every week compiling every single song played, in a multi-subject email, with a spreadsheet attached and a nice graph showing the frequency of autechre during any given internet hour :) it'd definitely make playlists a lot more interesting. i personally wonder how many of the "radioshows" are actually radio shows, and how many are people on fast connections who feel like setting up shoutcast servers and playing some mp3's. i also switched from digest to normal simply from the huge volume of emails i didn't like. i was on a 33.6 modem over the summer, and i never had a problem with the email from this list, even when i was gone for 2 weeks and had about 500 emails to download and delete (hehe). i just looked at the subject and hit delete. it's the same bandwidth either way (well, ok, there's a tiny bit more with the header information), and you have a lot more selection. and this isn't just in relation to the playlist factor - i would recommend the non-digest version hands down, for numerous reasons. like, actually being able to respond :) besides, at least playlists are on-topic, unlike this post. buy the new tadd mullinix cd. richard devine-esque programming with real melody! wow! cheers, /derek - - - - - Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began: "Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

*******This is a forward message***** At 11:11 PM 2/12/2001 -0500, Christopher Miller wrote:

quoted 4 lines On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Ron Jeremy concluded:

>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Ron Jeremy concluded: > > > I find playlists less annoying than "For Sale Lists". >

Notice that the ONLY posts by Thad Biggerstaff are these incessant for-sale lists.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I wish there were more reviews. I'm not the greatest

> I wish there were more reviews. I'm not the greatest

at writing them

quoted 1 line myself, but maybe I'll give it a more frequent try. Anyone

>myself, but maybe I'll give it a more frequent try. Anyone

else want to

quoted 1 line give reviews a try? This would certainly beef-up the

>give reviews a try? This would certainly beef-up the

quality of this list. reviewz are much more welcome indeed instead of thoze _stupid/silly_ war- mailzz posted by some of our idm-members... sometimes i feel losin the contact with the music, cause of theze postzz... Thizz list izz about music, dear reader... cheerzz, Moozzuzz :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::: http://www.freespeech.org/promoozz/index.html ::: ::: http://www.promoozz.org/ ::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org