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I could be wrong here... But my understanding was that Wendy Carlos always was a girl, but she released the records under the alias "Walter Carlos" for fear that she wouldn't be taken seriously. -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Nope. She was most definately a man until the sex change. Rob www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Loptimiste@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:05 AM Subject: [idm] Walter/Wendy Carlos

quoted 1 line I could be wrong here... But my understanding was that Wendy Carlos always was a girl, but

> I could be wrong here... But my understanding was that Wendy Carlos always was a girl, but she released the records under the

alias "Walter Carlos" for fear that she wouldn't be taken seriously.

quoted 7 lines -j

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biologically speaking she was a man but mentally she was a woman. she had been using the name wendy and dressing like a woman for many years but the record label that released Switched On Bach refused to do so unless she used her given birth name and male persona, out of fear that the record buying public would not be able to cope with a trans-gendered electronic musician. so basically both the below posts are correct, it just depends on your perspective. y On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, component wrote:

quoted 28 lines Nope. She was most definately a man until the sex change.

> Nope. She was most definately a man until the sex change. > > Rob > www.componentrecords.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Loptimiste@aol.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:05 AM > Subject: [idm] Walter/Wendy Carlos > > > > I could be wrong here... But my understanding was that Wendy Carlos always was a girl, but she released the records under the > alias "Walter Carlos" for fear that she wouldn't be taken seriously. > > > > -j > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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At 05:26 PM 12/5/2000 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines <not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the

><not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the >English language if you have a penis, like it or not, you're a man. Identity >politics are fluid but biological facts are not.

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Geez. Gender Bending/Changing and OS wars. All we need now is for someone to ask "What does IDM mean?" and we can hit a new all time low for this list. Time to dig out the "unsub" instructions... rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rjyan Kidwell" <cex@tigerbeat6.com> To: "Lee Azzarello" <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>; "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Walter/Wendy Carlos

quoted 9 lines <not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the

> > <not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the > > English language if you have a penis, like it or not, you're a man. > Identity > > politics are fluid but biological facts are not. > > except when they are. > > it is often up to the doctor delivering a child to determine the child's > sex. it is not all that uncommon for a baby to be born with a penis that

is

quoted 2 lines abnormally small, so the doctor will do a little splice and snip job and

> abnormally small, so the doctor will do a little splice and snip job and > presto! you have a baby girl. Same thing can happen when a doctor botches

a

quoted 4 lines circumcision really badly. Some thinkers have used data about occurances

> circumcision really badly. Some thinkers have used data about occurances > like this to try and throw the whole idea of polarized, set-in-stone sex > differences into question. If you're interested in seeing the full > treatment, the only author I can really think of off my head is Pat

Califia,

quoted 15 lines but there are others, too.

> but there are others, too. > > > and obligatory musical content: RIP Big Pun > > > > -rk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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<<<not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the English language if you have a penis, like it or not, you're a man. Identity politics are fluid but biological facts are not.

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as far as "gender" goes... Most transgenders believe that gender is different from sex. Gender is a mindset, and role in society, while sex is physical and biological. -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 Loptimiste@aol.com wrote:

quoted 8 lines <<<not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the

> <<<not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the > English language if you have a penis, like it or not, you're a man. Identity > politics are fluid but biological facts are not. > >> > > as far as "gender" goes... Most transgenders believe that gender is > different from sex. Gender is a mindset, and role in society, while sex > is physical and biological.

this belief/defintion most certainly extends WELL beyond just transgendered folk. when i think of my gender, i think of what social role i identify with. when i think of my physical sex, i think i am a boy. and when i think of sexual attraction, i think of ________. ah, that said, i picked up the latest from tomlab by inkblot (well, i picked it up when it landed on my doorstep care of s://kimo). reminds me of why i love this laid back, almost cute, super nostalgic feeling sound that tomlab keeps cranking out. goes well with strawberry and banana nectar. helpmeithinkiaminlove. chris. music for lunchpails riders of the plastic groove kuci 88.9fm, irvine, ca www.kuci.org "earth is the alabama of the universe" recommended: herbert-letsallmakemistakes, requiem for a dream, phthalocyanine/lexaunculpt at koos thurs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines <not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the

> <not sarcastic>Oooooh, gender and identity politics. True, but in the > English language if you have a penis, like it or not, you're a man.

Identity

quoted 1 line politics are fluid but biological facts are not.

> politics are fluid but biological facts are not.

except when they are. it is often up to the doctor delivering a child to determine the child's sex. it is not all that uncommon for a baby to be born with a penis that is abnormally small, so the doctor will do a little splice and snip job and presto! you have a baby girl. Same thing can happen when a doctor botches a circumcision really badly. Some thinkers have used data about occurances like this to try and throw the whole idea of polarized, set-in-stone sex differences into question. If you're interested in seeing the full treatment, the only author I can really think of off my head is Pat Califia, but there are others, too. and obligatory musical content: RIP Big Pun -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org