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[idm] datach'i's we are always well thank you review (606 references)

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2000-10-18 23:41Armchair Charlie [idm] datach'i's we are always well thank you review (606 references)
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2000-10-19 18:35Armchair Charlie Re: [idm] datach'i's we are always well thank you review (606 references)
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2000-10-18 23:41Armchair Charliethis review is biased because i have a general distaste for drum 'n' bass in idm and drum
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this review is biased because i have a general distaste for drum 'n' bass in idm and drum 'n' bass in general. this record falls into a category that i tend to avoid. i'll conduct this review in a comparative manner, using kid 606's _down_with_the_scene_ as a secondary means to explain datach'i's album. i wasn't even sure what/who datach'i was when i picked up _we_are_always_well_. i had only skimmed over a profile of him, and all i picked up is that his music is related to idm or is in fact idm. i was happy to see a release as such available at my local record store, so i lunged for it without much hesitation. however, i wasn't terribly happy to find out that it ran along the same lines as _down_with_the_scene_, an album that i had purchased a month or two earlier and have yet to be impressed with. but after a full listen, i can say that i really like this datach'i record. i think it towers over 606 in that it has set limits. IMO, 606 tends to write songs that are experimental, but aren't thought out (aren't thought out in a bad way, in a bizkitesque way). and he (606) gets praised simply for being difficult. i find that this uncarefully presented youthful spasticity is the reason people like his work; it is the reason i dislike the bulk of his work. and what i mean about datach'i setting limits in his music is that he rocks this punk shit attitude (the whole "fuck you and your eardrums" approach) without getting on your nerves as does an irritable roommate. datach'i makes visible decisions on this record that 606's stuff lacks. largely due to this stability, _we_are_always_well_ is good to the last drop. the unexpectedness comes enthralling rather than as a rabid dog biting your ass and biting it harder if you don't like it. one other point i'd like to make about the album is its dependency on drum 'n' bass to make it fully fleshed. IMO, drum 'n' bass is somewhat of a contagious electronic rash, itching its way through seemingly every genre of dance music (even hip-hop). and every time a genre gets infected with the rash, it becomes more trendy and thus loses value. i've never once noticed an artist become a better musician by experimenting with jungle breaks or spastic d+b cadences. a problem with this is that drum 'n' bass/jungle can no longer stand its ground as a single idea. very few artists coming out now consider themselves "drum 'n' bass," and if they do, they're usually shit. but with datach'i's album, one tends to overlook these biases. true, the release is more or less and experimental drum 'n' bass album. but it is implied in such a way that keeps the record valuable. it's never too silly, never too predictable, never too unoriginal. one thing that discourages me about idm is that so many artists bring d+b to the table, but so few bring honest plain breakbeat type stuff. this is something that datach'i comes close to doing on a few tracks. he threw away most of the d+b elements and kept it down to good ol' 110-bpm experimental breaks (again, on just a few tracks). i'll give him props for that. i'd say this album is the best example of d+b fusion i've heard in quite a while (and that's sayin' a lot, cuz there's simply SO much music coming out these days that hints on d+b). (no conclusion, i'll leave you hangin' on this one) please write harsh responses will simmons Cipolin Structure Radio http://www.geocities.com/cipolinstructure/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-19 14:31Matthew Burrowsone other point i'd like to make about the album is its dependency on drum 'n' bass to mak
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one other point i'd like to make about the album is its dependency on drum 'n' bass to make it fully fleshed. IMO, drum 'n' bass is somewhat of a contagious electronic rash, itching its way through seemingly every genre of dance music (even hip-hop). and every time a genre gets infected with the rash, it becomes more trendy and thus loses value. you don't like d'n'b then i've never once noticed an artist become a better musician by experimenting with jungle breaks or spastic d+b cadences. eerrr, squarepusher, vibert, aphex, mu-ziq etc all experimented with jungle breaks (and i bet they would argue they've improved over time)....... a problem with this is that drum 'n' bass/jungle can no longer stand its ground as a single idea. very few artists coming out now consider themselves "drum 'n' bass," and if they do, they're usually shit. arse: ray keith, dillinger, klute, shy fx are all drum and bass....and are not shit . _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-19 16:05Jeff Shoemaker>a problem with this is that drum 'n' bass/jungle can >no longer stand its ground as a sin
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quoted 8 lines a problem with this is that drum 'n' bass/jungle can>a problem with this is that drum 'n' bass/jungle can >no longer stand its ground as a single idea. very few artists coming out >now consider themselves "drum 'n' bass," and if they do, they're usually >shit. > >arse: ray keith, dillinger, klute, shy fx are all drum and bass....and are >not shit >
to add: polar, hexer, lexis, paradox/alaska, just about anything on Reinforced (although they've been making overtures toward the dancefloor lately), Jonny L. . . calling all drum and bass shit is like calling all idm shit innit? it flaunts ignorance anyhow. . . ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-19 18:35Armchair Charlie>you don't like d'n'b then i said that? oh, i guess i did :) oh well, i do make exceptions
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quoted 1 line you don't like d'n'b then>you don't like d'n'b then
i said that? oh, i guess i did :) oh well, i do make exceptions: squarepusher, jega, pre-house photek, and datach'i of course :) although i do tend to steer clear of d+b, i couldn't possibly deny that there have been some very good releases in the past few years, simply because there's so much d+b in the world now!... just considering its immense size, some of it's bound to be good, even if it's only 10% of the releases. like i said, it's a rash, it's everywhere! :)
quoted 2 lines eerrr, squarepusher, vibert, aphex, mu-ziq etc all experimented with jungle>eerrr, squarepusher, vibert, aphex, mu-ziq etc all experimented with jungle >breaks (and i bet they would argue they've improved over time).......
my comment here was a little misleading. what i meant was, it discourages me when non-d+b artists suddenly decide to experiment with d+b breaks and d+b culture. as far as i know, 75% of the artists you mentioned above actually got their start making some form of d+b (excluding their earlier pre-record deal material). that would make your comment above only 25% relevant, and not a worthy 25% i might add. IMO, _richard_d._james_album_ is a stain in aphex's catalogue. though it might have been a well-received release, i wouldn't say it was any kind of musically enhancing stepping stone in his career. that album didn't make mr. james a better musician.
quoted 2 lines arse: ray keith, dillinger, klute, shy fx are all drum and bass....and are>arse: ray keith, dillinger, klute, shy fx are all drum and bass....and are >not shit
perhaps your perception of time isn't quite sound. notice i wrote, "few artists coming out now" - keyword being _now_. now is not the early/mid nineties, which is when the artists you mentioned above surfaced with d+b material. these guys have been around for a while; they established themselves as drum 'n' bass years ago, not recently. anyhow, i appreciate your reply, flawed as it may be ;) will simmons Cipolin Structure Radio http://www.geocities.com/cipolinstructure/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-23 18:38DynamiCell@aol.comI agree completely.. now go buy his other release(the debut- "rec+play" I believe) and ver
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I agree completely.. now go buy his other release(the debut- "rec+play" I believe) and verify my anger toward the reviewes it got. nick www.manicdetroit.com www.8bitpeoples.com www.mp3.com/manicdetroit/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org