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2000-09-25 16:17Jimenez, Enrique [idm] All this talk of IDM in pop music ...
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├─ 2000-09-25 23:33Jeff Pitrman Re: [idm] All this talk of IDM in pop music ...
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2000-09-25 16:17Jimenez, Enrique... and no mention has been made of Bjork's new "Selmasongs", which kind of sounds like a
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... and no mention has been made of Bjork's new "Selmasongs", which kind of sounds like a Walt Disney cartoon movie score over IDM'ish beats and sounds, kind of like a mellower Autechre doing the music to a Broadway musical. Great soundtrack to "Dancer in the Dark", even Catherine Deneuve sings!!!!!. And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork) sings as well. Has anyone seen the movie?. thanks, e np: Bjork - "Selmasongs" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-25 18:39Jeff PitrmanAt 12:17 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, Jimenez, Enrique wrote: >... and no mention has been made of
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At 12:17 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, Jimenez, Enrique wrote:
quoted 3 lines ... and no mention has been made of Bjork's new "Selmasongs", which kind of>... and no mention has been made of Bjork's new "Selmasongs", which kind of >sounds like a Walt Disney cartoon movie score over IDM'ish beats and sounds, >kind of like a mellower Autechre doing the music to a Broadway musical.
A few people have mentioned it and seem to like it. Maybe it's just me, but when I gave it a listen a few weeks ago I was pretty underwhelmed. The beats didn't do too much for me, even though I'm always happy to hear Bjork's voice. I'd advise anyone to give it a listen before buying. It's definitely different, but I guess I'm still waiting for the next Bjork album. ---- "I have a bunch of Vangelis records." -Mortiis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-25 18:56NuBreaks> And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork) sings as well not
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quoted 1 line And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork)> And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork)
sings as well not too get too technical - but Im pretty sure Bjork is pronounced like Beeyerk. I have always pronounced it with the 'o' sound as well, but read an interview where she comments on how everyone pronounced her name wrong. I still say it the 'wrong' way....oh well...us ignorant amerikans... ed http://www.nubreaks.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-25 20:35Jeff PitrmanAt 02:56 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, NuBreaks wrote: > > And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, b
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At 02:56 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, NuBreaks wrote:
quoted 5 lines And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork)> > And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork) >sings as well > >not too get too technical - but Im pretty sure Bjork is pronounced like >Beeyerk.
Or as she said once, "rhymes with jerk." ---- "That was my party. Straight bass drum with tuba." [http://pr0n.rootdown.net/] - Wolfgang Voigt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-25 21:11Arnold LayneWhy debate about IDM in pop music. IDM is pop music! :~) Ligeti is not. ;) --AL >From: Jef
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Why debate about IDM in pop music. IDM is pop music! :~) Ligeti is not. ;) --AL
quoted 25 lines From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net>>From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net> >To: "NuBreaks" <freqdafunk@flashmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] All this talk of IDM in pop music ... >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:35:44 -0700 > >At 02:56 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, NuBreaks wrote: > >> > And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork) >>sings as well >> >>not too get too technical - but Im pretty sure Bjork is pronounced like >>Beeyerk. > > Or as she said once, "rhymes with jerk." > > >---- >"That was my party. Straight bass drum with tuba." >[http://pr0n.rootdown.net/] - Wolfgang Voigt > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-09-25 22:47Djslacker227@aol.comI guess i dont understand quite how pop music is defined, but as for where i live and in m
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I guess i dont understand quite how pop music is defined, but as for where i live and in my situation (high school in southern california) idm is non existant. Ive always definrded pop music in my mind as music that sells over, like 20000 copies, or what ever most of my fellow high school students listen to (punk rock, alternative, metal, rap, r&b, dance) I can guarantee you that in my school of 3000 kids, not a single soul has ever heard of richard devine in his/her life, and maybe id be lucky if 2 or three people have heard of aphex twin or autechre. It really is not the greatest thing for me, because this list is the only place where i can discuss this music. I know that 'idm' is bigger in the uk than here, but by how much? I have no way of knowing. I think that one thing that might stop idm from ever being that big in my kind of popcentric area is its name: intelligentdancemusic whoever thought of the name pretty much dragged the chances of experimental techno ever being popular in the US into the street and shot it. not that i ever needed to say this but anything having to do with intelligence is almost always labled elitist (even though i dont possibly see how listeners of a kind of music can be elite, because all you have to do is listen to it to be a listener). Popular music in my area seems to be all about image, not really the music itself. Does idm, or any idm musicians, have an image? (remember im writing this almost completely uninformed about the state of idm overseas) I always thought this was a good thing, because the musician without a heavy image is always about the music, and that seems like the general state of idm. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-25 23:33Jeff PitrmanAt 06:47 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I guess i dont understand quite how pop music is
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At 06:47 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines I guess i dont understand quite how pop music is defined, but as for where i>I guess i dont understand quite how pop music is defined, but as for where i >live and in my situation (high school in southern california) idm is non >existant.
I think part of the thing about pop music is that some people consider it to be any music that is popular, and some people think of it as music with populist aims. I generally think of it as being the second, because a lot of stuff becomes popular pretty randomly. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with making music that's easy to get into, but the problem is that "pop music," for us Americans at least, tends to mean more stupid verse chorus music by guys with guitars who are doing some variant of the beatles/beach boys/sabbath/etc. I'd argue that musicians like Boards of Canada or Lexaunculpt make very approachable music that's pretty much the definition of pop. There's a level of it that is catchy, melodic, and very easy for the non-trainspotter-obsessive-idm-fanboy-like-us listener to get into.
quoted 2 lines Popular music in my area seems to be all about image, not really the> Popular music in my area seems to be all about image, not really the >music itself. Does idm, or any idm musicians, have an image?
There's certainly public stances that a lot of IDM artists take. Typically this is something like "people who make rave dance music are morons but we're taking their ideas and making them so much niftier via irony." I think that qualifies as an image. But compared to someone like Britney Spears, no, there's not much image in IDM. You don't need shiny hair or a nice chest to be revered as an IDM superstar. ---- "That was my party. Straight bass drum with tuba." [http://pr0n.rootdown.net/] - Wolfgang Voigt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-26 01:04EggyToast>aphex twin or autechre. It really is not the greatest thing for me, because >this list is
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quoted 3 lines aphex twin or autechre. It really is not the greatest thing for me, because>aphex twin or autechre. It really is not the greatest thing for me, because >this list is the only place where i can discuss this music. I know that 'idm' >is bigger in the uk than here, but by how much? I have no way of knowing.
erm.. well from what i've been told, it sure seems that way doesn't it :) it's really not though. most schools are full of kids who have no clue who autechre is either.
quoted 7 lines I think that one thing that might stop idm from ever being that big in my>I think that one thing that might stop idm from ever being that big in my >kind of popcentric area is its name: intelligentdancemusic whoever thought of >the name pretty much dragged the chances of experimental techno ever being >popular in the US into the street and shot it. not that i ever needed to say >this but anything having to do with intelligence is almost always labled >elitist (even though i dont possibly see how listeners of a kind of music can >be elite, because all you have to do is listen to it to be a listener).
i think that by having such a label it keeps the music harder to define exactly, which is good because it's fittingly hard to categorize. and most people don't like that. they like punk or rap or boy bands. they don't like punk and rap and boy bands, and if they do, they probably own an autechre cd :)
quoted 2 lines Popular music in my area seems to be all about image, not really the> Popular music in my area seems to be all about image, not really the >music itself. Does idm, or any idm musicians, have an image?
its image is its non image. which is why it avoids most media. and why the media liked rdj. cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-26 00:25Djslacker227@aol.comForget pop we're famous: Darren Keast writes in an article about kid 606 pissing off "the
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Forget pop we're famous: Darren Keast writes in an article about kid 606 pissing off "the snobby electronic music intelligentsia" in the latest issue of URB "people on the idm e-mail list ridicule him... deviant listeners like those in the bitchy intelligent dance music scene...haters on the idm list whine that he gets too much attention outside their exclusive ranks" URB is definitely a pop culture magazine, and I think that it confirms my conjecture that the idm list and experimental techno have an elitist image, especially thanks to that whole kid 606/lexaunculpt string that pretty much killed any rep or integrity that the list had at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-26 02:04rebecca263I sooo agree!Autechre is pop music!!!!And so is Aphex Twin! like it or not, it's so. And..
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I sooo agree!Autechre is pop music!!!!And so is Aphex Twin! like it or not, it's so. And....SO IS JAKE MANDELL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Layne" <l__________@hotmail.com> To: <jeff@spof.net>; <freqdafunk@flashmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [idm] All this talk of IDM in pop music ...
quoted 45 lines Why debate about IDM in pop music. IDM is pop music! :~)> > Why debate about IDM in pop music. IDM is pop music! :~) > > Ligeti is not. ;) > > --AL > > >From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net> > >To: "NuBreaks" <freqdafunk@flashmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] All this talk of IDM in pop music ... > >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:35:44 -0700 > > > >At 02:56 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, NuBreaks wrote: > > > >> > And also Radiohead's Thom Yorke (which, by the way, rimes with Bjork) > >>sings as well > >> > >>not too get too technical - but Im pretty sure Bjork is pronounced like > >>Beeyerk. > > > > Or as she said once, "rhymes with jerk." > > > > > >---- > >"That was my party. Straight bass drum with tuba." > >[http://pr0n.rootdown.net/] - Wolfgang Voigt > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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