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2000-09-06 19:37Jamie Osborne [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
├─ 2000-09-06 19:39Matthew Guest RE: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
└─ 2000-09-06 20:14martin burbridge RE: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
2000-09-06 20:05Jason Harvey Re: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
2000-09-07 01:00steve Re: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
2000-09-07 14:03Luis Marta Re: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
2000-09-07 14:16Ben Hatchelt Re: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
2000-09-09 19:34Re: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
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2000-09-06 19:37Jamie Osborne9/6/00 Dear Friends/Fellow Workers, How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommend
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9/6/00 Dear Friends/Fellow Workers, How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommendations for IDM with jazz textures/melodic themes. I love the improvisation and expression of "jazz." I also dig it's constantly transforming nature and it's ability to reflect and examine pop music. Like it or not, some IDM does fall under the definition of pop music (but thas another story, boss). I am particular towards any type of non-traditional or experimental jazz. I host a radio show on KGNU, Boulder 88.5fm (www.kgnu.org) and like to focus on the weird and out stuff. I also offer contrasting images of idm, swing, gospel, soul and hip-hop all in the context of influences in a continuous mix format. It is great fun really. There is no future without the past. I am opening up this forum for any suggestions/comments/etc. Do you have a favorite IDM artist who dabbles in jazz, or a favorite jazz artist who dabbles in IDM? When does it work? When/Why does it fall flat (i.e., Greg Osby's 3-D Lifestyles)? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album? Any favorite transitions between the two? Here is my short list of IDM/jazzers (or jazzer/IDMs): 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) 2. DJ Cam (all) 3. DJ Krush (any recommendations?) 4. Graham Haynes (BPM) 5. Tim Hagans (Imagination/Animation) 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?) 7. Cinematic Orchestra (motion) 8. Innerzone Orchestra (programmed) 9. Up Bustle and Out (any recommendations?) 10. Roni Size (reprazent) 11. Courtney Pine (any recommendations?) Can I get a witness. Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 19:39Matthew GuestAnything by Clifford Gilberto... -matT ---------------------------------------------------
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Anything by Clifford Gilberto... -matT --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 20:14martin burbridgeJamie jazzed about many things: > 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) the new spring heel jack _disap
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Jamie jazzed about many things:
quoted 1 line 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all)> 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all)
the new spring heel jack _disappeared_ reminds me of what later tobin (_permutation_ onwards>>) would sound like if he played instruments instead of sampled. i mention this because a) you may like it and b) i have lost count of the number of times people complain that amon just plays records. its what he does.
quoted 1 line 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?)> 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?)
personally, _hard normal daddy_ is the most comprehansive mangling of both genres. i would easily recommend anything upto and including _big loada_. after that (_rotten music notes ..._ >>>) he seemed to take himself more seriously as a musician and artist. ho hum.
quoted 1 line 10. Roni Size (reprazent)> 10. Roni Size (reprazent)
somewhere in a parallel universe, roni size is rightly pilloried as a purveyor of plastic jazzy jungle lite. and they are all laughing at us. some additions ... vert _the koln konzert_ picked this up because it was cheap and on sonig. had an early vert 12" that was pretty disasterous so wasn't really hoping for much. sounds like one long segment, its broken into four or five tracks. live improvisational piano jazz, that mutates occasionally into full blown mego like noise. electronic chatters and glitches are often in the background. has me wondering if i should get the keith jarret inspiration for this. i'm tending to yes at the moment. fridge _eph_ _of ep_ and the other recent ep, plus four tet _camomile_ _dialogue_ _32 or 36 something_. the four tet stuff is probably more consistently jazzy, there is more rock/pop in some fridge, but then some fridge is more idm than jazz as well. four tet is one of fridge. all very confusing. get them all. -martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 20:05Jason Harveycheck out http://swamay.iuma.com. "fathers day" that is a good jazzy IDM track.... also ch
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Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:05:36 -0700
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check out http://swamay.iuma.com. "fathers day" that is a good jazzy IDM track.... also check out: Wambonix, and Jazzanova stuff... Jason Jamie Osborne wrote:
quoted 43 lines 9/6/00> 9/6/00 > > Dear Friends/Fellow Workers, > > How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommendations for IDM with > jazz textures/melodic themes. I love the improvisation and expression of > "jazz." I also dig it's constantly transforming nature and it's ability to > reflect and examine pop music. Like it or not, some IDM does fall under > the definition of pop music (but thas another story, boss). > > I am particular towards any type of non-traditional or experimental jazz. > I host a radio show on KGNU, Boulder 88.5fm (www.kgnu.org) and like to > focus on the weird and out stuff. I also offer contrasting images of > idm, swing, gospel, soul and hip-hop all in the context of influences in a > continuous mix format. It is great fun really. There is no future > without the past. > > I am opening up this forum for any suggestions/comments/etc. Do you have > a favorite IDM artist who dabbles in jazz, or a favorite jazz artist who > dabbles in IDM? When does it work? When/Why does it fall flat (i.e., Greg > Osby's 3-D Lifestyles)? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album? > Any favorite transitions between the two? > > Here is my short list of IDM/jazzers (or jazzer/IDMs): > 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) > 2. DJ Cam (all) > 3. DJ Krush (any recommendations?) > 4. Graham Haynes (BPM) > 5. Tim Hagans (Imagination/Animation) > 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?) > 7. Cinematic Orchestra (motion) > 8. Innerzone Orchestra (programmed) > 9. Up Bustle and Out (any recommendations?) > 10. Roni Size (reprazent) > 11. Courtney Pine (any recommendations?) > > Can I get a witness. > > Jamie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-09-07 01:00steveI think tom jenkins called the music is one rotted note albumn his "I'm taking one step si
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I think tom jenkins called the music is one rotted note albumn his "I'm taking one step sideways so i can take a step forward albumn"..or something like that... and I love selection 16. It just jams all the way around. ----------
quoted 5 lines From: "martin burbridge" <martin@bebub.com>>From: "martin burbridge" <martin@bebub.com> >To: "Jamie Osborne" <osbornej@cess.org>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Jazz vs. IDM >Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2000, 12:14 PM >
quoted 46 lines Jamie jazzed about many things:> Jamie jazzed about many things: > >> 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) > > the new spring heel jack _disappeared_ reminds me of what later tobin > (_permutation_ onwards>>) would sound like if he played instruments instead > of sampled. i mention this because a) you may like it and b) i have lost > count of the number of times people complain that amon just plays records. > its what he does. > >> 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?) > > personally, _hard normal daddy_ is the most comprehansive mangling of both > genres. i would easily recommend anything upto and including _big loada_. > after that (_rotten music notes ..._ >>>) he seemed to take himself more > seriously as a musician and artist. ho hum. > >> 10. Roni Size (reprazent) > > somewhere in a parallel universe, roni size is rightly pilloried as a > purveyor of plastic jazzy jungle lite. and they are all laughing at us. > > some additions ... > > vert _the koln konzert_ picked this up because it was cheap and on sonig. > had an early vert 12" that was pretty disasterous so wasn't really hoping > for much. sounds like one long segment, its broken into four or five tracks. > live improvisational piano jazz, that mutates occasionally into full blown > mego like noise. electronic chatters and glitches are often in the > background. has me wondering if i should get the keith jarret inspiration > for this. i'm tending to yes at the moment. > > fridge _eph_ _of ep_ and the other recent ep, plus four tet _camomile_ > _dialogue_ _32 or 36 something_. the four tet stuff is probably more > consistently jazzy, there is more rock/pop in some fridge, but then some > fridge is more idm than jazz as well. four tet is one of fridge. all very > confusing. get them all. > > -martin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-09-07 14:03Luis Marta----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Osborne" <osbornej@cess.org> > How goes the stru
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Osborne" <osbornej@cess.org>
quoted 2 lines How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommendations for IDM with> How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommendations for IDM with > jazz textures/melodic themes.
I recommend the debut album from Joakim Lone Octet called "Tiger Sushi" - Future Talk 1999. The project is based on one person (the french Joakim Bouaziz) and the music is a bit like Cinematic Orchestra "Motion", only Joakim adds more elements besides the jazz, it's a great album, trust me. I also recommend Photek. Listen to the songs "KJZ" or "Modus Operandi" from the album "Modus Operandi". Also Endemic Void, the album "Equations" and Reflection : "The Errornormous World" - Clear 1997. Luis Marta. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-07 14:16Ben HatcheltSorry, I joined this discussion late, but I take it someone has mentioned Square Pusher?!
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Sorry, I joined this discussion late, but I take it someone has mentioned Square Pusher?! --- Luis Marta <lmarta@fccn.pt> wrote: >
quoted 27 lines ----- Original Message -----> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Osborne" <osbornej@cess.org> > > > How goes the struggle? I am looking for some > recommendations for IDM with > > jazz textures/melodic themes. > > > I recommend the debut album from Joakim Lone Octet > called "Tiger Sushi" - > Future Talk 1999. > The project is based on one person (the french > Joakim Bouaziz) and the music > is a bit like Cinematic Orchestra "Motion", only > Joakim adds more elements > besides the jazz, it's a great album, trust me. > I also recommend Photek. Listen to the songs "KJZ" > or "Modus Operandi" from > the album "Modus Operandi". > Also Endemic Void, the album "Equations" and > Reflection : "The Errornormous > World" - Clear 1997. > > Luis Marta. > > >
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2000-09-09 19:34DavidASim@aol.comSeveral things annoy me in relation to modern jazz 'fusion' efforts. I'm sure that all thi
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Several things annoy me in relation to modern jazz 'fusion' efforts. I'm sure that all this has been said more eloquently elsewhere, but anyhow... The worst is producers (esp. in dnb) who use gratuitous double bass and looped sax to add the depth or artistic credibility that they seem to see lacking in their own music. IMO, one of the things that has characterised jazz since the beginning is a willingness to sound new, alien and dangerous, and to annoy traditionalists. You'd expect Miles or 'trane or Bird (or whatever name you want to drop) to be more interested in nuttah jungle or hard techno than easy-listening-and-bass. Also, this denies that techno (in the broadest sense) can be deep or credible on its own: I see Photek, Klute et al as infinitely more worthwhile than (recent) 4 Hero. The reverse of this, which is equally irritating, is jazz musicians (no names, no packdrill) using superficial 'dance music' stylings to be relevant. Conscisely, I don't like people self consciously combining half digested styles to conceal they lack of belief in what they do best. That said, I'm sure that there has been some excellent jazz + idm stuff... I've a feeling that I've heard some superb sounding stuff on Mixing It or Peel. Meanwhile, for both style and substance, check out fusion to late period Miles... especially Miles runs the voodoo down, Tribute to Jack Johnson and On the corner. (Actually, could anyone who isn't just blagging it recommend more in this vein?) Also note that I DO entirely endorse the use of double bass in electronic music. thanks d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org