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2000-07-15 00:13Gause, Brian RE: [idm] american roll call
2000-07-15 00:18greg davis [idm] american roll call
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2000-07-15 00:13Gause, Brianyeah, okay, sure! Kit Clayton, sure...Matmos, sure...Cex, check. Britney Spears...sure. Bu
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yeah, okay, sure! Kit Clayton, sure...Matmos, sure...Cex, check. Britney Spears...sure. But lexaunculpt? such pretenders! <smirk> -----Original Message----- From: greg davis [mailto:gdavis@gis.net] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:19 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] american roll call cex marumari colongib, octopus inc, pacman (kracfive) hrvatski lexaunculpt kit clayton zammuto britney spears matmos kid606 richard devine, phoenicia, etc. (schematic) jake mandell etc, etc. many more to be discovered some of the most interesting "IDM" seems to be coming out of america these days, but then again thats just my opinion. later, greg davis autumn records http://autumnrecords.cjb.net updates soon!!! ---------------------------------- Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-15 00:18greg daviscex marumari colongib, octopus inc, pacman (kracfive) hrvatski lexaunculpt kit clayton zam
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cex marumari colongib, octopus inc, pacman (kracfive) hrvatski lexaunculpt kit clayton zammuto britney spears matmos kid606 richard devine, phoenicia, etc. (schematic) jake mandell etc, etc. many more to be discovered some of the most interesting "IDM" seems to be coming out of america these days, but then again thats just my opinion. later, greg davis autumn records http://autumnrecords.cjb.net updates soon!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-15 01:10Magicnerd8@aol.comstewart walker too! also unit! oh there's tons more. -------------------------------------
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stewart walker too! also unit! oh there's tons more. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-15 10:49analog lifeformAnd lets not forget Convextion..... >From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net> >Reply-To: gdavis@g
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And lets not forget Convextion.....
quoted 36 lines From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net>>From: greg davis <gdavis@gis.net> >Reply-To: gdavis@gis.net >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] american roll call >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:18:48 -0400 > >cex >marumari >colongib, octopus inc, pacman (kracfive) >hrvatski >lexaunculpt >kit clayton >zammuto >britney spears >matmos >kid606 >richard devine, phoenicia, etc. (schematic) >jake mandell >etc, etc. > >many more to be discovered > >some of the most interesting "IDM" seems to be coming out of america >these days, but then again thats just my opinion. > >later, >greg davis >autumn records >http://autumnrecords.cjb.net >updates soon!!! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-07-15 18:46Mannowarr@aol.comwhat about while? they/he/she is/are american too correct? i saw While grace many a fave a
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what about while? they/he/she is/are american too correct? i saw While grace many a fave album list on here just recently including my very own --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 05:22Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.comwhat do you mean "But lexaunculpt" - I thought he was british because he worked under the
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what do you mean "But lexaunculpt" - I thought he was british because he worked under the Leeds label with kid 606, but he has also worked with Orange Records I know, so I thought he might be american?? He is isn't he??!!! anyways, if he is you better not be calling him a pretender. Kid 606 and even Hrvatski (who I give top props) don't compare to Lexaunculpt. I am sorry, I just don't understand how Kid 606 could get so much publicity and discussion on this list, when his friend Lex...who he works with often (Don't sweat the technics, kid 606 and friends......, etc.) isn't considered the best possible idm artist in America. I guess when you look upon the subject of being popular, Lexaunculpt never will be cause he is too good, and as it is in society, people are too stupid to understand true genius. Positivity, Noraul << yeah, okay, sure! Kit Clayton, sure...Matmos, sure...Cex, check. Britney Spears...sure. But lexaunculpt? such pretenders! <smirk> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 05:29DropstarAt 1.22 AM -0400 16/07/00, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com wrote: >He is isn't he??!!! > ><< yeah
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quoted 4 lines He is isn't he??!!!>He is isn't he??!!! > ><< yeah, okay, sure! Kit Clayton, sure...Matmos, sure...Cex, check. Britney > Spears...sure. But lexaunculpt? such pretenders!
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2000-07-16 09:18Adam PiontekI would agree that he's possibly the best idm artist in America. However, he hasn't releas
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I would agree that he's possibly the best idm artist in America. However, he hasn't released much. kid606's discography is much larger than lex's, and the kid is a little more proactive in promoting himself with his own label and various other things. this just goes back to what i was saying before; no matter how good you are, if you don't do anything, no one's going to know/pay attention to you. as i understand it, lex has only had 2 vinyl eps out (oh heres some noises on isophlux, double density on orange). other than that, he's about three or four remixes and lots of live stuff. that was all in 1999. the most recent thing i'm aware of is one track on m3rck's "squadron" compilation. and that track isn't completely incredible. it's good, but it sounds almost average. someone correct me if i'm wrong about things lex has released. it's difficult to be aware of a new artist when he doesn't do much. people forget easily. they want more proof, they need more excellent stuff to keep a new artist in their minds. at the start, if you're good and can do it, the best thing you can do to help make yourself popular is make as much music as possible and release tons of it. people will keep noticing you and your name will stick in their heads more and more. plus, if it's really good, people will talk about it. kid 606 is doing this. he's releasing tons of music (relatively) and getting involved in tons of projects, including his own label. accelera deck is another example of someone being very prolific, but people seem less interested in him because i don't hear too much about it. lexaunculpt seems to have released an album's worth of material back in '99, half of which (the isophlux record) was voted to be the best release of the year by this very list. but what has he done since? it's not his fault; people just move on. if you're not doing anything, they look for something else. at least in this culture, where "new and different" seems to be the whole point. the longer you're around, the less prolific you have to be. i mean, people talk about aphex and autechre without them doing much lately. well, they both released in early '99, but aphex at least was pretty slim in that release. he's definitely not as prolific of late as he was back in the early-to-mid '90s. the oxymoron with being prolific, of course, is that, to be prolific, you have to spend less time on your music. if you spend a long time on your music, you can make it better (in my opinion; i don't make music). it's my impression that the very reason for this list is that people are interested in music that some thought went into. music from people who made a little more effort than someone with 4 beats and a note. effort takes time. i mean, aphex had that 'formula' track on windowlicker back around '96; we know it from various places as the 'crappy' track. he's been warping it and fucking with it for years and finally releases it with two other tracks and it's the best thing there. windowlicker itself is quite complex and went through various incarnations (as we can see from the couple of demo versions out there). my point is, if you're good and capable, it takes time to make truly excellent music. so being prolific at the start to help make yourself popular goes dead against trying to make excellent music. and if you take the time and make excellent music, but wait until you have enough to release at once such that it appears you're being prolific, most of the stuff you've spent all this time working on will now be 'old' and people won't think it's as great as it would have seemed had you released it when you first made it. proem is an example of someone who released a truly excellent CD in 1999, but who has had various troubles and hasn't done much more until now. people remember, but it's almost as if he has to 'prove' himself again. sort of. anyway, just my thoughts. and for those of you involved with mp3.com thinking "it doesn't take that long for me to make a track; some only take a day or so!" -- i repeat: "it takes time to make truly excellent music." if proem or aphex or richard devine or lexaunculpt or jake mandell or some other great artist can point out some excellent tracks that really only took them a day or so to make, i'll take back that statement. On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:22:56 EDT, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com wrote:
quoted 25 lines what do you mean "But lexaunculpt" - I thought he was british because he>what do you mean "But lexaunculpt" - I thought he was british because he >worked under the Leeds label with kid 606, but he has also worked with Orange >Records I know, so I thought he might be american?? He is isn't he??!!! >anyways, if he is you better not be calling him a pretender. Kid 606 and even >Hrvatski (who I give top props) don't compare to Lexaunculpt. I am sorry, I >just don't understand how Kid 606 could get so much publicity and discussion >on this list, when his friend Lex...who he works with often (Don't sweat the >technics, kid 606 and friends......, etc.) isn't considered the best possible >idm artist in America. I guess when you look upon the subject of being >popular, Lexaunculpt never will be cause he is too good, and as it is in >society, people are too stupid to understand true genius. > >Positivity, >Noraul > ><< yeah, okay, sure! Kit Clayton, sure...Matmos, sure...Cex, check. Britney > Spears...sure. But lexaunculpt? such pretenders! > > <smirk> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-07-16 05:44EggyToast>I am sorry, I > just don't understand how Kid 606 could get so much publicity and discuss
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quoted 2 lines I am sorry, I>I am sorry, I > just don't understand how Kid 606 could get so much publicity and
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mainly because he does a lot of things that warrant publicity. touring with peers very often, releasing a lot of somewhat limited records, working with well-known people for releases and compilations (i'm sure his relations with hrvatski and lex are quite convenient, knowing how highly praised both of these artists have been in the past), talking to big companies and press-related people, willing to do interviews and other similar things. it really doesn't have much to do with the quality of his music; he's setting out to get his name known by peepz, instead of catering to a niche market and remaining more obscure. when his friend Lex...who he works with often (Don't sweat the
quoted 1 line technics, kid 606 and friends......, etc.) isn't considered the best> technics, kid 606 and friends......, etc.) isn't considered the best
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quoted 3 lines idm artist in America. I guess when you look upon the subject of being> idm artist in America. I guess when you look upon the subject of being > popular, Lexaunculpt never will be cause he is too good, and as it is in > society, people are too stupid to understand true genius.
well, lex is not as prolific, he doesn't tour with the vivacity of kid606, and i suppose how "good" someone is could be an issue, although i see it more that kid606's music could *possibly* be more mainstream, while lex's music caters much more to a "standard idm" sound. just remember that not all publicity is good publicity, and not all discussion is positive discussion =) cheers, -derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 06:10Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.comyou write, and I quote "It really doesn't have to do with the quality of his music" - okay
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you write, and I quote "It really doesn't have to do with the quality of his music" - okay, sorry, but you are really on the wrong list if you think that. Something with idm that most fans adore, is the complexity, but most importantly the superiority of idm music over most other forms of music. Kid 606 may be pressin his name, but that's just because most of his music needs press to sell it, cause it sucks. I am sorry, yes, I liked the soccergirl EP, his shit with Lexaunculpt...but even that is just good idm, not the real good stuff. Then he does stuff like "GQ on the EQ" which sounds like pins and static ripping my eardrums apart. There is a thin line between chaos and the beauty idm artists often find in chaos (sometimes utter silence too). Kid 606 is way over the line (on the shitty side). again, I am not saying he hasn't produced proper shit, but not what any great idm would do, and not worth the emails we are writing about him. peace, Noraul p.s. and what's this eminem remix shit. I know his NWA remix of "fuck the polic" was very well done for being such a hard idm song, but continuing that style by mixing eminem (and in a very annoying and repetitive fashion) was all wrong. In a message dated 7/16/00 1:40:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, youn0394@umn.edu writes: << mainly because he does a lot of things that warrant publicity. touring with peers very often, releasing a lot of somewhat limited records, working with well-known people for releases and compilations (i'm sure his relations with hrvatski and lex are quite convenient, knowing how highly praised both of these artists have been in the past), talking to big companies and press-related people, willing to do interviews and other similar things. it really doesn't have much to do with the quality of his music; he's setting out to get his name known by peepz, instead of catering to a niche market and remaining more obscure. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 06:53are you there god? it's me margaret> p.s. and what's this eminem remix shit. I know his NWA remix of "fuck the > polic" was v
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quoted 4 lines p.s. and what's this eminem remix shit. I know his NWA remix of "fuck the> p.s. and what's this eminem remix shit. I know his NWA remix of "fuck the > polic" was very well done for being such a hard idm song, but continuing that > style by mixing eminem (and in a very annoying and repetitive fashion) was > all wrong.
yeah. that kid606 is such a fucking asshole. some people! i swear! bunch of fuckers. love, chris. "bodily fluids are a wonderful way to get to know someone." _we are all lost --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 06:22Magicnerd8@aol.comIn a message dated 07/16/2000 7:11:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com write
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In a message dated 07/16/2000 7:11:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com writes: << you write, and I quote "It really doesn't have to do with the quality of his music" - okay, sorry, but you are really on the wrong list if you think that. Something with idm that most fans adore, is the complexity, but most importantly the superiority of idm music over most other forms of music.>> Ah, thanks for the pigeon-holing, I'm glad to know that I'm a pretentious fuck like you. <<Kid 606 may be pressin his name, but that's just because most of his music needs press to sell it, cause it sucks. I am sorry, yes, I liked the soccergirl EP, his shit with Lexaunculpt...but even that is just good idm, not the real good stuff. Then he does stuff like "GQ on the EQ" which sounds like pins and static ripping my eardrums apart.>> Sounds like you didn't like it. You see, there are other genres apart from the IDM scene, hombre. Kid does not exclusively come from IDM, nor should he. His experimentations in sound are not universally shitty to everyone. Personally, I didn't like GQ very much either, but the techniques he used were used better on his new full-length. <<There is a thin line between chaos and the beauty idm artists often find in chaos (sometimes utter silence too).>> IDM! IDM! (Mensa cheerleading squad) <<Kid 606 is way over the line (on the shitty side). again, I am not saying he hasn't produced proper shit, but not what any great idm would do, and not worth the emails we are writing about him.>> Ah the great IDMers! Tremble in their presence! Conform to their musical pathways! Yut yut. Anyways, I'm not a fan of everything Kid has done, but I'd say that his fat cat split, his new LP and his remix work with the Locust are truly solid pieces of music that stand up amid all this hype going on. Kid live is awesome too. I realize there's a lot of hype out there, but I like what he puts out, so ::shrug::. << p.s. and what's this eminem remix shit. I know his NWA remix of "fuck the polic" was very well done for being such a hard idm song, but continuing that style by mixing eminem (and in a very annoying and repetitive fashion) was all wrong. >> From what I've heard, he never even remixed eminem, possibly some napster hoax? He who is without conspiratorial notions, Phillip Triphosphate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 07:11lazloMagicnerd8@aol.com wrote: > IDM! IDM! (Mensa cheerleading squad) If this doesn't make the
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If this doesn't make the cut for the IDM hall'o'fame posts, I don't know what the hell does. Peed my pants... Ernie, where are you when the IDM-L needs you most? Kid is marketable, whereas Alex has more or less fallen off the face of the planet. Nice guy, fantastic music, but little product. Journalists can't talk about a musician who isn't releasing regularly; to do so is to put spotter elitism (instead of the music) in the spotlight--something that already happens WAY too often. Magazines are about news/changes...not lauding a two-year old recording. If you want that, go find an academic journal in some stuffy library. laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 10:39Adam PiontekOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:11:47 -0500, lazlo wrote: >Kid is marketable, whereas Alex has more
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:11:47 -0500, lazlo wrote:
quoted 6 lines Kid is marketable, whereas Alex has more or less fallen off the face of the>Kid is marketable, whereas Alex has more or less fallen off the face of the >planet. Nice guy, fantastic music, but little product. Journalists can't talk >about a musician who isn't releasing regularly; to do so is to put spotter >elitism (instead of the music) in the spotlight--something that already happens >WAY too often. Magazines are about news/changes...not lauding a two-year old >recording. If you want that, go find an academic journal in some stuffy library.
what about this list... can this list talk about 'old' music? well, we already know the answer to that, considering the discussion of michael jackson and the fact that we are talking about lexaunculpt here. i just wanted to say that this list does tend towards an aversion of the old in favor of tomorrow's release, always tomorrow's release... sort of like video games. hmm... -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 19:35Rjyan Kidwell:: "The IDM Raskolnikov" (Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com) said this: > > I guess when you look u
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:: "The IDM Raskolnikov" (Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com) said this:
quoted 4 lines I guess when you look upon the subject of being> > I guess when you look upon the subject of being > popular, Lexaunculpt never will be cause he is too good, and as it is in > society, people are too stupid to understand true genius.
i think the funniest part of this whole debate is that if Lexaunculpt met you he would most likely hate your guts. last time I was graced by Alex's awesome presence, he made it pretty clear that he finds tunnel-vision, pigeonholing, "IDM"-obsessed kids very distasteful. maybe he's changed since then, i dont know... but i'm just saying: it's quite ironic, y'know? sorry for being so candid, but i figure you can handle it, being as your one of the rare few intellectuals who truly understand what "good" "music" is, trying to have an opinionated and truthful discussion, etc. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-17 01:14Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.comIn a message dated 7/16/00 3:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cex@tigerbeat6.com writes: <<
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In a message dated 7/16/00 3:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cex@tigerbeat6.com writes: << i think the funniest part of this whole debate is that if Lexaunculpt met you he would most likely hate your guts. last time I was graced by Alex's awesome presence, he made it pretty clear that he finds tunnel-vision, pigeonholing, "IDM"-obsessed kids very distasteful. maybe he's changed since then, i dont know... but i'm just saying: it's quite ironic, y'know? >> "tunnel vision", it is not bias or narrow to say that Kid 606 sucks. I am open to every type of music: hip-hop, tuntable shit, idm, dnb, dub, minimalist, reggae, jazz, and classical. all of those have good and bad music within them. I can give my opinion that someone's music sucks without being called an "IDM-obsessed kid" who pigeonholes. Damn, try and have a critical discussion about upon the subject of this list, and get PIGEONHOLED (ironic) from you peace, Noraul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-17 20:51anything@synthesizer.org><< i think the funniest part of this whole debate is that if Lexaunculpt met > you he wou
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[idm] Pigeonholing
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Re: [idm] american roll call
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quoted 14 lines << i think the funniest part of this whole debate is that if Lexaunculpt met><< i think the funniest part of this whole debate is that if Lexaunculpt met > you he would most likely hate your guts. last time I was graced by Alex's > awesome presence, he made it pretty clear that he finds tunnel-vision, > pigeonholing, "IDM"-obsessed kids very distasteful. maybe he's changed since > then, i dont know... but i'm just saying: it's quite ironic, y'know? >> > > >"tunnel vision", it is not bias or narrow to say that Kid 606 sucks. I am >open to every type of music: hip-hop, tuntable shit, idm, dnb, dub, >minimalist, reggae, jazz, and classical. all of those have good and bad music >within them. I can give my opinion that someone's music sucks without being >called an "IDM-obsessed kid" who pigeonholes. Damn, try and have a critical >discussion about upon the subject of this list, and get PIGEONHOLED (ironic) >from you
Not only that, but for any artist to whine about fans' predilection for what I assume is differentiation and criticism (pigeonholing) seems to be sour grapes. Obsessed kids of any kind are easy to mock (see "High Fidelity" for close examples), but the only thing that an artist can do about it is to make pieces which defy the obsession and exist outside of any previously-magnified niche. I wonder if some people are consciously doing something like "a clever take on the crunch-and-twinkle" genre and then getting mad that they're being lumped with the rest. The end result is that a bunch of stuff comes out that sounds similar enough to be the same. -- http://www.synthesizer.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org