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At 21:47 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines i do not know hardly anything about the equipment electronic

>i do not know hardly anything about the equipment electronic >musicians use to make their music.

that's ok, neither do i

quoted 1 line what do we need?

>what do we need?

keep it all internal... all you need is the computer. go along the 'couple of digital/analogue synths and a drum machine' path and you'll end up making crap demos like everyone else... and as for live shows, why bother?

quoted 2 lines what do some artists that this list is centered around use? ie.

>what do some artists that this list is centered around use? ie. >autechre...

autechre and aphex twin are using computers almost exclusively now. try making 'come to daddy' on a conventional setup <laugh>

quoted 1 line i see ads for all kinds of samplers/fx units/synths/sequencers, etc..

>i see ads for all kinds of samplers/fx units/synths/sequencers, etc..

they're over-expensive and out-dated what i think you should be looking at now is getting a VERY fast computer (pentium 2 if possible), a very big fast hard drive, a cd rom writer (to burn demos), about 64 megs of memory and at least 2 sound cards - an AWE64 gold, and one of the new-generation crystal/dream cards like the Terratec EWS64 or Sound Track 97 PCI (the ST97PCI is PCI and about 1/3 the price, so go for that) then you will have a total of 96 voices of sampling power, for less than the price of an akai ram expansion then find yourself a copy of reality softsynth ($500, but look around the newsgroups...) and you will have (if you've got yourself that fast computer) a quite accurate rendition of a 32-voice 4-oscillator 4-filter 4-LFO 4-envelope analogue synth, and a great deal more, inhabiting the inside of your CPU - i can't recommend this program enuff.. i recommend cakewalk pro audio 6 (again, look round the newsgroups...) for your sequencing all this lot, including the computer, would cost you about the same as one fairly top-end akai sampler, except you have a complete studio in a box which is completely expandable later. lo and behold, this is more or less the same setup i'm buying at the moment.. cue the rebuttal from the expensive studio-owners (suckers...) cheerio! np - the sea devils - bbc radiophonic workshop ----- -------- ELTON WELSBY RECORDS, jazz-funk to whiten your spunk http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/migration.ram ----- --------

quoted 3 lines an AWE64

>an AWE64 >gold, and one of the new-generation crystal/dream cards like the Terratec >EWS64 or Sound Track 97 PCI (the ST97PCI is PCI and about 1/3 the price,

What about the Guillemont International maxi Sound Home Studio Pro 64 Sound card? Anyone try this one? Tony

quoted 6 lines an AWE64

>>an AWE64 >>gold, and one of the new-generation crystal/dream cards like the Terratec >>EWS64 or Sound Track 97 PCI (the ST97PCI is PCI and about 1/3 the price, > >What about the Guillemont International maxi Sound Home Studio Pro 64 Sound >card? Anyone try this one?

How about the Super Maxi Blaster Super Duper Digi Sonic Tools Sound Cell Sample Pro Super Computer Pro Blaster Card Gigante? Is moveable-parts no longer operating, or is there no reason this off-topic gearhead crap is on idm? C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "One being, that talking about things, while not exactly causing them to happen, does cause something,-- which is almost the same, tho' not quite. Unless it is possible to smoke a Potatoe."

grouch writes: [a bunch of stuff i don't agree with, then...]

quoted 5 lines then find yourself a copy of reality softsynth ($500, but look around the

> then find yourself a copy of reality softsynth ($500, but look around the > newsgroups...) and you will have (if you've got yourself that fast > computer) a quite accurate rendition of a 32-voice 4-oscillator 4-filter > 4-LFO 4-envelope analogue synth, and a great deal more, inhabiting the > inside of your CPU - i can't recommend this program enuff..

it's pretty awesome. if you can get ahold of the reality audio demo CD, i did the first and last tracks on it (well, first track after the voice intro track). and it's more than 32 voices if your CPU is fast enough (or sampling rate is low enough). it's pretty cool, i think, but it isn't going to replace my K2000 any time soon.

quoted 1 line cue the rebuttal from the expensive studio-owners (suckers...)

> cue the rebuttal from the expensive studio-owners (suckers...)

i'll happily pit my tracks up against yours when you have some to show. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

grouch wrote:

quoted 1 line At 21:47 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote:

> At 21:47 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line and as for live shows, why bother?

> and as for live shows, why bother?

you can't be serious..

quoted 4 lines i see ads for all kinds of samplers/fx units/synths/sequencers, etc..

> >i see ads for all kinds of samplers/fx units/synths/sequencers, etc.. > > they're over-expensive and out-dated > cue the rebuttal from the expensive studio-owners (suckers...)

call me crazy, but i like to have realtime control over my music. i really think there's a lot missing in music when the human element is taken out of it. (i know electronic music is so far removed from anything natural as far as sounds go, but it's about groove) missing beat one, a loose finger on the cutoff, little imperfections in levels. i don't know. i guess i'm a little romantic about 'real gear'. but i just can't see countless knobs and sliders and buttons being effectively replaced by one mouse with three buttons. (i know you can map keyboard keys to do certain things, which is cool, but still awkward). i mean, look at re-birth. you've got to record in two passes if you want to use two hands. oh well, that's just me. i'm just all for the hardware setup. even though it's bigger, more unwieldy, and more expensive..i think it's really worth it for the realtime control (if for nothing else than muting and unmuting tracks at performance-time). but there are two ways to do it now. both make music. it's just what you're comfortable with. -eric -- .- Doubtful Productions Evolving Media -. eric sherman http://www.doubtful.com szale@doubtful.com

hello. i do not know hardly anything about the equipment electronic musicians use to make their music. i make my own, and am starting to send out demotapes.. i make it all on the PC w/ fasttracker2, software synths/effects progs for the samples, and my friend yamaha cs1x. a few friend and i are interested in getting some equipment to do things live, or at least more cooperatively.. what do we need? i see ads for all kinds of samplers/fx units/synths/sequencers, etc.. so far, my friend has a yamaha cs1x... that should take care of our needs for digital synth stuff; perhaps we will get another one sometime else but it is not necessary right now. soon we will get a dj mixer for use with our turntables, which are not currently top notch, but again, we can't afford tecnics 1200's right now. our use for the turntables is scratching & sometimes background beats.. i think what we might need right now is: - analog synth/fm synthesis synth (for making brandnew sounds, w/ resonance & cutoff knobs, able to make strange sounds, metallic percussion, lots of knobs!).. max price: $500 - dj mixer.. $100 - some type of good, portable recording system (DAT, MD).. $500 - good microphone for use w/ DAT recorder (above), to make samples..$?? - sampler w/ resonance+cutoff effects & sequencer.. $500 about samplers & sequencers...i don't know..how are they better than using fastracker2 on the pc with which i am so familiar? so would it be better to use a laptop w/ a good soundcard w/ midi + multiple line outputs? - effects units.. do they make any that have res/cutoff knobs to use on anything you put through the unit? or can you use a wah pedal on anything? :) reverb (this just adds echoing & therefore professional-sounding-ness :)? what else can you do w/ reverb), EQ's, etc.. - studio mixer? what do you people with studios use? could i have detailed descript. of how it all fits together & what does what? what do some artists that this list is centered around use? ie. autechre... thank you for taking a big chunk of time to read all this, !06719580652436120012856018461286120! !................#christopher graves! !#grav.of.krac5..#colongibs.jujubomb! !23092857234905876096242765026054037!

quoted 2 lines Is moveable-parts no longer operating, or is there no reason this off-topic

> Is moveable-parts no longer operating, or is there no reason this off-topic > gearhead crap is on idm?

Movable parts was really lively for the first 18 months with regular postings (10-20 per day) but then it slowed down, was dead for a while and was eventually resurrected. But now it lies dormant on holon.net, unused and unloved. It has about 150 people subscribed to it, but most of them have heard all the music production questions in those first 18 months and are happy to lurk. Probably the perfect place to point all the production questions from this list. To subscribe, send mail with "subscribe" in the BODY to movable-parts-request@holon.net or "subscribe movable-parts" in the BODY to majordomo@holon.net. I'll get my arse into gear and put up a simple movable-parts web page right now... check www.holon.net/movable-parts -- Q-Force qforce@holon.net http://www.holon.net/qforce/

EVERTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SOUND CARDS, MUSIC GEAR, YADDA YADDA SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT ON AH. Really, it's my favorite topic, but as sir CSpot so eloquently declaimed, it's not strictly this-listy. ANALOG HEAVEN This list is strictly analog synths, and tangentially emulations of analogue synths. It is very active, and you need to filter out all the "D00D WH3R3 R TH3 303Z" posts, but some of the most knowledgeable people in synthesis are there. check http://www.hyperreal.org/music/machines/Analogue-Heaven/ for subscription information. ELECTRONICA This list is basically all things to do with electronic music. It's what I think of as the list where people from AH discuss non-analogue equipment. Lower traffic than AH, primarily because it's not at ground zero of the "analogue synth craze" currently going on. Contact james@noether.ex.ac.uk about subscription; I don't know if there is a automated subscription address. PC-DAW Discusses using PC's for music production -- primarily (but not limited to) hard disk recording, but also excellent posts on digital audio in general. MOVABLE-PARTS Discussion of the production of techno and it's related genres. Info was posted earlier about this list. NEWSGROUPS comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.* newsgroups. read about the various sound cards available for PCs until you puke. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psyche manifests as psychic through something we call 'winding', because it twists, and puts things that were far apart next to each other, complicatedly, taffywise." -- winona on channel 78 Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent

Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there can suggest any gear for me to buy as far as synths, drum machines, etc. So far I just use my laptop almost exclusively, but I'm looking to use actual hardware since Fast Tracker 2 can only take you so far. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

As much as it's a blast to play with hardware synths, samplers, etc, I have to say there is some pretty amazing music being made by people on this list with just tracking software, so you may want to really think about going the hardware route...I don't know anything about Fast Tracker but I have had some IDM list poeple give me rundowns of tracking software and what they do with it and it blew me away, also in terms of value for dollar. peace Nate PS if you do want to go hardware, check out sites where poeple post reviews of all makes and models, like sonicstate.com On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, atomly wrote:

quoted 18 lines Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there can

> Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there can > suggest any gear for me to buy as far as synths, drum machines, etc. So > far I just use my laptop almost exclusively, but I'm looking to use actual > hardware since Fast Tracker 2 can only take you so far. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, n:h wrote:

quoted 7 lines As much as it's a blast to play with hardware synths, samplers, etc, I

> As much as it's a blast to play with hardware synths, samplers, etc, I > have to say there is some pretty amazing music being made by people on > this list with just tracking software, so you may want to really think > about going the hardware route...I don't know anything about Fast Tracker > but I have had some IDM list poeple give me rundowns of tracking software > and what they do with it and it blew me away, also in terms of value for > dollar.

Yea, it's just that after like 5 years of Fast Tracker 2 I'm looking for some more variation... I guess all I really want are synths (hardware or software) because I've exhausted my sample collection. :P Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples.

quoted 2 lines PS if you do want to go hardware, check out sites where poeple post

> PS if you do want to go hardware, check out sites where poeple post > reviews of all makes and models, like sonicstate.com

Thanks for the tip! -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples?

> > Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? > I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples.

as far as pure softsynths, reaktor (aka generator plus transformator) from native instruments (www.native-instruments.com) is a top notch program from what i've seen. as far the best dsp or sound creation tool, i personally find the kyma system from symbolic sound (www.symbolicsound.com) the most open ended and powerful sound design tool built. it is pricy but not really when on considers what it can do. sure to cure one's gas (gear acquisition syndrome.) however, it is not for the weak of heart or anyone who doesn't like building sounds from the ground up. examples of kyma can be heard in the matrix, the wind in a thin red line, and the thx surround sound trailer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have heard from a fairly reliable source that Autechre are heavy into Kyma use, if that means anything (it would seem logical I guess) Nate On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, b. sims wrote:

quoted 23 lines Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples?

> > > > Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? > > I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples. > > as far as pure softsynths, reaktor (aka generator plus transformator) from > native instruments (www.native-instruments.com) is a top notch program > from what i've seen. > > as far the best dsp or sound creation tool, i personally find the kyma > system from symbolic sound (www.symbolicsound.com) the most open ended and > powerful sound design tool built. it is pricy but not really when on > considers what it can do. sure to cure one's gas (gear acquisition > syndrome.) however, it is not for the weak of heart or anyone who doesn't > like building sounds from the ground up. examples of kyma can be heard in > the matrix, the wind in a thin red line, and the thx surround sound > trailer. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 5 lines I have heard from a fairly reliable source that Autechre are heavy into

> >I have heard from a fairly reliable source that Autechre are heavy into >Kyma use, if that means anything (it would seem logical I guess) > >Nate

So is Uwe Schmidt(aka Atom Heart).

quoted 33 lines On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, b. sims wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, b. sims wrote: > >> > >> > Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? >> > I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples. >> >> as far as pure softsynths, reaktor (aka generator plus transformator) from >> native instruments (www.native-instruments.com) is a top notch program >> from what i've seen. >> >> as far the best dsp or sound creation tool, i personally find the kyma >> system from symbolic sound (www.symbolicsound.com) the most open ended and >> powerful sound design tool built. it is pricy but not really when on >> considers what it can do. sure to cure one's gas (gear acquisition >> syndrome.) however, it is not for the weak of heart or anyone who doesn't >> like building sounds from the ground up. examples of kyma can be heard in >> the matrix, the wind in a thin red line, and the thx surround sound >> trailer. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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My friend writes in Impulse Tracker also. His tracks are something absolutely different from what I've ever heard. He's got even in idm elaborations lately, though his style does not match any comparisons anyway. He sold a couple of cassettes on local label and has had a radio show but still his music is in private status. If anyone could be interested I think I'll be able to send the mp3 of his stuff (if he won't object of course). Alien

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> -----Original Message----- > From: sean whalen [mailto:swhalen@nfinity.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 11:01 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) gear > > > bogdan raczynski writes everything in impulse tracker, if that makes any > fellow trackers feel better. > > -s > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "n:h" <nate@toshoklabs.com> > To: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: (idm) gear > > > > > > As much as it's a blast to play with hardware synths, samplers, etc, I > > have to say there is some pretty amazing music being made by people on > > this list with just tracking software, so you may want to really think > > about going the hardware route...I don't know anything about > Fast Tracker > > but I have had some IDM list poeple give me rundowns of > tracking software > > and what they do with it and it blew me away, also in terms of value for > > dollar. > > > > peace > > > > Nate > > > > PS if you do want to go hardware, check out sites where poeple post > > reviews of all makes and models, like sonicstate.com > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, atomly wrote: > > > > > Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there > can > > > suggest any gear for me to buy as far as synths, drum > machines, etc. So > > > far I just use my laptop almost exclusively, but I'm looking to use > actual > > > hardware since Fast Tracker 2 can only take you so far. > > > > > > -- > > > :: atomly :: > > > > > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net > > > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > > [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Sorry about the long post I *Really* like Reaktor by native instruments. It's well worth the $450. I also like Retro AS-1. Mainly because you can modulate just about anything. Ever hear the sound of a lowpass filter being modulated by an Actual Oscillator? That's just a taste of what it can do. Of course, Reaktor can do the same. It can do just about anything. It's really just a synthesizer construction kit with some great sample manipulation added. BTW/ both Retro and Reaktor are available for Mac and Win. On the Mac only side I think the Koblo stuff is OK. They sound good enough... but for a mono synth, it shouldn't need so much processing power. There's also a cool drum sample player thing with a rebirth sort of interface (808/909)... I can't remember the name. Gamma? I know there names but not which one goes to which name. Stella, Gamma and Vibra. That's all I can remember. On the PC side there are all sorts of Rebirth knock off's and juno wanna be's but really, the only one to me that seems at all in the same league is Reaktor and Retro is VAZ+ and VAZ Modular. It's full of potential and it even supports ASIO and VST plug-ins. It also just works. <START RANT> It's kind of funny how, on the PC, there are many more soft synths to choose from then on the mac. But, most are not even worth the effort to install them. There is such a lack of originality. I just cant believe how many bedroom made soft synths there are out there with the exact same interface as the next. <END RANT> Sorry about that (especially if your a PC user...) Anyway, as far as Cool original sounding hardware synths go I recommend checking into: Waldorf Microwave XT or KB. It's an excellent wave table synth with *Verry* analog sounding filters that can do stuff that no other synth can. The interface is clear and easy to get around and the sounds can be made harsh and gritty or clear and full. Also comes as a box that fits in side your computer called the Microwave PC from Teratech (spell?). I also want to mention two other budget synths then I'll shut up: The Yamaha AN1x and the Ensoniq FIZMO. They both pretty much got slammed by the press so you can find them for dirt cheep. like in the $400 range. The AN1x is a virtual analog that reviewers didn't like because it didn't have enough knobs to be called "Analog".... That's a bunch of crap in my mind and I consider it to be one of the better VA's. What can I say about the FIZMO? terrible name, uglier then your sister, but it sounds great. It falls short in the number of patches it can hold but other then that it can really make some unusual sounds. LFO's effects and arpeggiator synch to midi clock. Great effects as well. A friend of mine bought one new for about $400 from musicians friend. I really love it. You can't complain about that considering they went for $1300 when they first came out. Good luck, -=GB=- atomly wrote:

quoted 31 lines On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, n:h wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, n:h wrote: > > As much as it's a blast to play with hardware synths, samplers, etc, I > > have to say there is some pretty amazing music being made by people on > > this list with just tracking software, so you may want to really think > > about going the hardware route...I don't know anything about Fast Tracker > > but I have had some IDM list poeple give me rundowns of tracking software > > and what they do with it and it blew me away, also in terms of value for > > dollar. > > Yea, it's just that after like 5 years of Fast Tracker 2 I'm looking for > some more variation... I guess all I really want are synths (hardware or > software) because I've exhausted my sample collection. :P > > Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? > I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples. > > > PS if you do want to go hardware, check out sites where poeple post > > reviews of all makes and models, like sonicstate.com > > Thanks for the tip! > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Galen Beals wrote:

quoted 3 lines On the PC side there are all sorts of Rebirth knock off's and

> On the PC side there are all sorts of Rebirth knock off's and > juno wanna be's but really, the only one to me that seems at all in the same > league is Reaktor and Retro is VAZ+ and VAZ Modular.

Vaz Modular is shit. Not only does it 'just work' and never crashes for me, the variety of processing and sound source modules is very broad, midi support is excellent, yadda yadda. If any of you have heard my tracks, Vaz modular is all over them. Not only that, there are a couple of killer features that will be in future releases (a new version is immenent, that I've been beta testing). I know that there are warez versions of this floating around, but Vaz is a labor of love by Martin Fay, and you should find it in your heart to compensate him for his work and pay for the program if you can. I just got the full up Cubase VST (dongle and all yo, not warez) and there --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples?

>Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? >I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples. >

I find Reaktor by Native Instruments the Bomb. Amazing textures and an awesome list of virtual analog modules to patch into each other...great for pads, lead sounds, drums...you name it it does it. easily justifies the hype. As for hardware, Im an analog kinda guy and use them almost exclusively in my music...Especially a Roland Jupiter 8 and Roland System 100....these two pieces have become knida expensive recently, but if they turn up, jump on em. peace jk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there can

> Hey, I'm an IDM producer and I was just wondering if anybody out there can > suggest any gear for me to buy as far as synths, drum machines, etc. So > far I just use my laptop almost exclusively, but I'm looking to use actual > hardware since Fast Tracker 2 can only take you so far.

Do yourself a favor and check out BUZZ at http://www.buzz2.com, as it got a really, really nice price/versatility ratio, being freeware (ok, make that freeware-with-optional-registration-for-that-warm-fuzzy-feeling) and all... :) If you need some samples of what I've done with it, look at my page at mp3.com, which can be found 3 lines below in my sig... =) -- Kurt B Pruenner Haendelstrasse 17 4020 Linz/AUSTRIA http://www.mp3.com/Leak np: Future Sound Of London - Dirty Shadows (ISDN) WARP Records http://www.warprecords.com/ BUZZ 1&2 http://www.buzz2.com/ User Friendly http://www.userfriendly.org/ Segfault http://www.segfault.org/ Anime On DVD http://www.animeondvd.com/ Slashdot http://www.slashdot.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Just to add my cents here. There's really no end all be all setup. Ben's suggestion of the KYMA system is as close as you will get to an all encompassing synth/harddisk recorder/mixer/FX/kitchen sink system, but also like he mentioned they start around 4k (us) and quickly move up from there. If you did a quick poll of all the musicians on this list you'll find that every single one of them uses something different. Modular soft synths are a cheap great way to start developing sound (Vaz modular, and the native instruments stuff being the 2 most used on the PC), but you will hit road blocks, mainly DSP and controller issues. In the end there's really nothing better than getting a pretty comprehensive hardware synth and learning as much as you can about it. Im not talking rompler's here but something a bit more editable, along the lines of the kurzweil samplers (K2k series) or a Nord Modular. For cheaper you may wish to look at things like the Kawai K5000s, which is an additive synth, or some of the later Yamaha FM synths (the SY77 or 99). The beauty of having outboard gear is that its made from the ground up to do its one thing, it has controllers for that thing and you'll never have to deal with crashes or out of memory errors or latency issue cuz you dont have the latest super computer. Basically my suggestion to you is to look around find a cheap synth that has some editing (any old sampler is a great place to start) and make it do what you want. m. -----Original Message----- From: b. sims [mailto:sunshine@halcyon.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:07 PM To: atomly Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (idm) gear

quoted 3 lines Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples?

> > Anybody know what are the best softsynths or where to find good samples? > I've played with Stomper and FX and I have all of maz's samples.

as far as pure softsynths, reaktor (aka generator plus transformator) from native instruments (www.native-instruments.com) is a top notch program from what i've seen. as far the best dsp or sound creation tool, i personally find the kyma system from symbolic sound (www.symbolicsound.com) the most open ended and powerful sound design tool built. it is pricy but not really when on considers what it can do. sure to cure one's gas (gear acquisition syndrome.) however, it is not for the weak of heart or anyone who doesn't like building sounds from the ground up. examples of kyma can be heard in the matrix, the wind in a thin red line, and the thx surround sound trailer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 12/15/99 12:09:49 PM Central Standard Time, nate@toshoklabs.com writes: << I have heard from a fairly reliable source that Autechre are heavy into Kyma use, if that means anything (it would seem logical I guess) >> Richard Devine is also heavy into the Kyma along with software like generator ect.. turk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Speaking of all of this, while at the record shop today I saw an ad for a used Korg ER-1 for $250, how is this price? -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

atomly wrote:

quoted 3 lines examples of kyma can be heard in

> examples of kyma can be heard in > the matrix, the wind in a thin red line, and the thx surround > soundtrailer.

And of course many an Atom Heart album, particularly Naturalist. Them sounds will warp (your head). Someone also recently mentioned Matt Haines (whose label name escapes me) who is thanked in the liners of a couple AH albums. AH was to release a 12" with Harddisk Rock (Don't Stop) & the 8-Bit Boogie on it but it didn't happen for some reason. Thankfully we have things like Real Intelligence III, which has Harddisk Rock on it (although perhaps a different version from what was intended for the aformentioned 12"). no@h "it's not fake, end of century, magic display" . . . . . . ..... . . . . . . Tetsu Inoue Homepage: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin Music Trading Page: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin/trade.htm Radioaktivities2Playlists:http://www.barbrigroup.com/chris/radio.htm# fax/ri reviews: http://www.2350.org & http://www.datacide.org fax Galleria and info: http://www.usatt.org/rseguine/FAX/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org