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yea...i know alLLLL of tha sheeeeeet ya'LLrrr feelin rite nowz....iken say that 4 a long while wheneva i got roasted toasted an' burnt2 a crisp all i could flip onmuh deX wuz tobintobintobin/jegaMiesta/phoenecia/ear/freeform/metamatics/tha ziqSta/alpha_K>byzar massiv---+(eyeDeeeEmmmm schtuFF)+---an i jus pushed muh cerebralcortex 2thalimitz of thouwwwt...but4 thalife of me i jus' couldnt pop ani of mUH quote(to uz such a taited2wordphrase)"other music" unquote inta tha rotaShun..which izz really wierd since i started my musical journeyzwit jus staight up noiZe (donfleming/tha youth(bad moon rising---yesireee!!)(and yes, theysuck now[instigation, oh hell yea!!}), deerhoof etc) and progression continued{upward?downward?}to unwound, marytimony, cat power,jamesbrown,nick drake.....SOoooOOoOoOoOOOooOo many otha bandz came in2 mylife...soOoOOo many more takez on this, @ times, lonely sphere....it pulled me thru... postscript>>>my friend bill alwayz gitz on my ass about how i seemto have no setgenre in my mixes and muzak...i h8 uzin AAAAAALLLLtha same soundin' stuff on 1 tape/mx....u stick 2 MUSIC THAT MOVES YOU, sen centripdLL_ ~"one day we will all be one"~ www.square.co.jp>>>{internalsection} www.multipolyomni.com www.ylyptyk.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think that what most people are forgetting (or it could just be me) is that after listeng to G105 "New music first", for about an hour you feel just as detached if not more. What I'm saying is that not all music can move you! it's not a formula. It's not IDM vs. Indie rock /rnb/soul what ever. It's needing to connect with something in the music and that can come from anywhere. it all depends on the person. [but listening to Rachel's or the Dirty three tends to do it for most :) ] I think that if there's one thing in music that does it to more people that not, it's ROMANTICISM. now how would you guys descibe this nebulous term? Side note: does anyone think "moonlight sonata" is boring or make them feel 'detached'? I bet there's someone. MJ Matt Jackson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

To add another twist to this, one of my favorite vocal cds is Antonio Carlos Jobim "Echos of Rio". I like the vocals, but I have entirely no idea what they are saying. The Situationists maintained that ordinary people have all the tools they need for revolution. The only thing missing is a perceptual shift - a tantalizing glimpse of a new way of being - that suddenly brings everything into focus. - Kalle Lasn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites.

At 11:00 PM 4/17/0, Daniel Laburu wrote:

quoted 7 lines i think that the "detached" feeling you guys are talking about has a lot

>i think that the "detached" feeling you guys are talking about has a lot >to do w/ >the fact that its instrumental music....i have a freind who >says, put something >on...w/ words though...it made me think about how >music w/ words can >perhaps allow you to identify w/ the music better, >because humans do, in fact, >communicate w/ words...where as instrumental >music allows one to wonder >freely and think whatever comes to mind..more >personal or less? ....agree, >disagree? lets talk.

i agree AND disagree. while certain vocal music can help the listener to identify with the singer- or to the experience the singer is relating- depending on the nature of the experience itself, LISTENING can be alienating! i suppose that is introducing another variable into the equation (the subject matter of the lyrics), but i think we can all agree on how diverse topics of vocal music can be. ANYWAY, yes, we can identify with vocal music because of a voice, but the voice is an instrument as much as a saxophone is- it's just attaching words to emotion... and, with instrumental music- like you said- one can "wonder freely" and attach his/her own meanings to certain passages depending on their cadence, intensity, key, etc. when you know a human is behind whatever instrument is used to make those statements, you can relate easier (possibly... this is the argument!). my friend says that computers take away the human aspect. yes, there can be someone there turning the knobs and pushing the squares (haha) but in actuality, you can load up a sample and just have the computer fuck it up with plug-ins and whatever else until it's so beyond the point of being in a state that sounds "human." i think with some of the more hyper-processed IDM, this is exactly what happens, and possibly why the detachment occurs. shit, i don't know. there were jazz musicians who initially objected to the use of amplifiers! i think that since then, technology just sped up so quickly that it's not so much musicians behind electronic instruments, but the potential for electronics to be in front of them! zachary zim200@is7.nyu.edu by the way, np: tortoise "TNT" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines i think that the "detached" feeling you guys are talking about has a lot =

>i think that the "detached" feeling you guys are talking about has a lot = >to do w/ the fact that its instrumental music

naw, I think it's the quality of the type of instrumental music we're talking about. I mean, this IDM stuff pretty much goes out of its way to be abstract and eschew sentimentality. The whole aesthetic of conspicuously synthesized and distorted sounds confronts us with a bracing strangeness, gives us the impression that we are leaving the familiar world as we know it, and in the process we are leaving our old earthbound selves behind, getting high as it were. That's not so touchy-feely in my book. In classical music there's tons of instrumental pieces that evoke strong emotions. Once I played a slow movement of the Stravinsky Violin Concerto to a friend who dropped by and she was in tears by the end of the four minute movement. That never happens with Autechre. Of course, it would be interesting if electronic music were to engage the emotions in a more direct way. Clearly we don't want a retread of sentimental pop music, we want something that we've never heard before. but it might be possible. One period of music that I think is very interesting and one could probably learn a lot from occurred in the very early 20th century, when composers who had come up on late-Romantic music (arguably the most intensely emotional music) began transforming themselves into radical modernists. In most cases, the composers didn't shift over night, and there are a lot of strange and interesting pieces that lie somewhere in between. (Oh, stuff like Schoenberg's first Chamber Symphony). Anyway. I think of it as I believe the assumptions behind some of the IDM stuff seems so related to the old ideas of Modernism...perhaps IDM should drive itself backwards into Romanticism...not the sappy pop one, but the wildly lyrical, chromatic forward-looking one of the late 19th century....now that would be something... kurt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines What I'm saying is that not all music can move you!

> What I'm saying is that not all music can move you! > it's not a formula. It's not IDM vs. Indie rock /rnb/soul what ever. It's > needing to connect with something in the music and that can come from > anywhere. it all depends on the person.

Absolutely...as I said in my post, it was Liszt's Hungarian Dances that brought me back to reality. It's nothing to do with the style / genre as such. I'm sure there are many people who hate Liszt as much as I like him.

quoted 2 lines I think that if there's one thing in

> I think that if there's one thing in > music that does it to more people that not, it's ROMANTICISM. now how

would

quoted 1 line you guys descibe this nebulous term?

> you guys descibe this nebulous term?

Romanticism...well...I described it as soul. I think we're talking about the same thing, tho.

quoted 2 lines Side note: does anyone think "moonlight

> Side note: does anyone think "moonlight > sonata" is boring or make them feel 'detached'? I bet there's someone.

Well, the first movement is for me the worst (probably cos I was forced to learn how to play it at an early age), but the second is better, and the third totally captivates me. As an example of classical music that makes me feel detached, I'd say the worst offender is Prokofieff. In the first half of the last century, he was one of the most ground-breaking composers...part of a trend away from the romantic period of music (Tchaikovsky, et al) thru 'impressionism' which could be amazingly beautiful (Ravel, Debussy) towards more 'interesting' music (Satie, Cage, Glass). It was at this point in time that composers started exploring the use of weird scales, atonality and rhythm instead of conventional melody and harmony in their music. The roots of IDM? Anyway, the moral is: variety in your listening habits is a VERY good thing. Don't blind yourself to the huge range of music available. Stevie. www.ignition.org.uk www.rewind1000.co.uk np:: Kumquat - 'Gradually Expanding Rutabaga' PS - Does anyone know anything about coding web pages for WAP phones? Please reply in private or everyone will get pissed off for the off-topic-ness. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines One period of music that I think is very interesting and one could

>One period of music that I think is very interesting and one could >probably learn >a lot from occurred in the very early 20th century, when >composers who had >come up on late-Romantic music (arguably the most >intensely emotional >music) began transforming themselves into radical >modernists. In most cases, >the composers didn't shift over night, and >there are a lot of strange and >interesting pieces that lie somewhere in >between. (Oh, stuff like Schoenberg's >first Chamber Symphony).

word. i think we can parallel this discussion to the early 20th century, and see ourselves on a similar plane of development presently with IDM. i think that while schoenberg suspended a tonal center and while the futurists/varese/cage began seeing ANY sound as musical, eventually, these ideas evolved to include atonal/noisy sections of pieces... we eventually used a similar (if not the same) aesthetic to construct more "accessible" music... from musique concrete, people started fucking around in the studio (look at the beach boys for christ's sake!), and they were making really pretty music! (not to say that reich isn't cool, but i'd rather hear "pet sounds" than "come out"!) anyway, i think that IDM (for the most part, anyway) might be in that schoenberg/futurist stage. sure, there are a lot of people using consonant melodies, etc., but i feel like the sheer amount of posts about this thread might mean some feel IDM can be more organic? maybe? for those of us who feel detached, maybe we feel the music will progress to encompass a human element? good ideas, kurt. zachary zim200@is7.nyu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org