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When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I listened to IDM, and a lot of it. I figured I'd be able to contriubte to some list discussions. However, message after message I see references to artists I have never heard of. And, well, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed! :) I feel the need for a IDM CD shopping spree, but I can't get *everything* talked about on the list, and wouldn't know where to start. So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you suggest? Thanks! Keith Reinert | ICQ# 4485538 | keith@iamlost.com <http://www.iamlost.com/keith> | pgp dss public key avail.

1998-07-07 18:33Jon Loganooooh, I love questions like this. My top 5 recommendations would be: hab - maPod boards o

From:: Jon Logan <jon@criticalpath.net>
To:: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:33:11 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

ooooh, I love questions like this. My top 5 recommendations would be: hab - maPod boards of canada - music has a right to children autechre - amber and/or tri repetae skampler - skam compilation on silent records black dog - spanners This is a good mixture of new and old school idm, and pretty much all of these discs are easy to find in the USA. Of course, I'm omitting a huge array of other artists and genres. Others I would recommend include Aphex Twin, mu-ziq, Plaid, Luke Vibert, Funki Porcini, Amon Tobin, Funkstorung, Jeswa, Atom Heart, tetsu Inoue, and a million others... At 2:08 PM -0400 7/7/98, Keith Reinert wrote:

quoted 18 lines When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I

>When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I >listened to IDM, and a lot of it. I figured I'd be able to contriubte to >some list discussions. However, message after message I see references to >artists I have never heard of. > >And, well, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed! :) I feel the need for a IDM CD >shopping spree, but I can't get *everything* talked about on the list, and >wouldn't know where to start. > >So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you >suggest? > >Thanks! > > >Keith Reinert | ICQ# 4485538 | keith@iamlost.com ><http://www.iamlost.com/keith> | pgp dss public key avail.

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1998-07-07 18:54greyI'm actually in the process of doing this very thing. Since I don't know what you have, I'

From:: grey <greyrose@nervosa.sf.ca.us>
To:: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, <jim@mips4.com>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

I'm actually in the process of doing this very thing. Since I don't know what you have, I'll tell you what I am reccomending to my friend, who is a *true* newbie (Sorry Jim, but you are. :) ) : Autechre : Amber Aphex Twin : Selected Ambient Works II WARP : Artificial Intelligence I WARP : Artificial Intelligence II Speedy J : Public Energy #1 Plastikman : Consumed Seefeel : Quique These were based on what were mostly my introduction to IDM, and things which I enjoy most thouroughly. I can't guess as to whether these are all things you already have, or not. I consider them all to be excellent albums, and they are all widely available. I would also keep in mind when reading this list that a HUGE amount of the stuff discussed is not easily obtained, and not very common. This doesn't mean it's not excellent music - it just means that a limited number of people will have heard it, and it must be sought out. Good luck. :) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Keith Reinert wrote:

quoted 19 lines When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I

> When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I > listened to IDM, and a lot of it. I figured I'd be able to contriubte to > some list discussions. However, message after message I see references to > artists I have never heard of. > > And, well, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed! :) I feel the need for a IDM CD > shopping spree, but I can't get *everything* talked about on the list, and > wouldn't know where to start. > > So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would > recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you > suggest? > > Thanks! > > > Keith Reinert | ICQ# 4485538 | keith@iamlost.com > <http://www.iamlost.com/keith> | pgp dss public key avail. >

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1998-07-07 18:57Michael Javorum, quick 5, how about: farmer's manual: explorers_we gas: zauberberg visor: visor muslimg

From:: Michael Javor <egoiste@enteract.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:57:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

um, quick 5, how about: farmer's manual: explorers_we gas: zauberberg visor: visor muslimgauze: zouriff moussa fennesz: hotel paral.lel dang, i wish i had my shelves in front of me... mj

1998-07-07 20:31Lance C. McGannonAt 02:08 PM 7/7/98 -0400, you wrote: > >So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 I

From:: Lance C. McGannon <mclance@nacs.net>
To:: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Cc:: Intelligent Dance Music Mailing List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:31:18 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

At 02:08 PM 7/7/98 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would

> >So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you >suggest? >

A difficult task indeed to pick only 5 essential CDs... . Objets D'Art:::92-95 comp 2xcd (New Electronica) . Reload: A Collection of Short Stories cd (Infonet) . As One: Reflections cd (New Electronica) . Derrick May: Innovator 2xcd (Transmat) . B12: Electro-soma cd (Warp) Honorable mentions: . Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves cd (Warp) . Black Dog Productions: Bytes cd (Warp) . Autechre: Inculabula cd (Warp) . Fake Fruit & Horrible Shoes comp cd (Pure Plastic) . Aphex Twin: Selected Ambients Works vol 2 2xcd (Warp) . B12: Time Tourist cd (Warp) . Psyche/BFC: Elements cd (Planet E) . Skampler comp cd (Silent/Skam) . Trelik comp cd (Trelik) . Ifach, Vol 1 comp cd (Ifach) -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

1998-07-08 07:42Adam HuffmanBlack Dog Productions: Bytes Locust: Weathered Well Reload: A Collection of Short Stories

From:: Adam Huffman <adam@larynx.shef.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:42:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

Black Dog Productions: Bytes Locust: Weathered Well Reload: A Collection of Short Stories µ-ziq: Tango n' Vectif Autechre: Amber adam

1998-07-08 11:07Irene McCDear Agony Auntie: I've been enjoying candyfloss all these years. Now someone's told me ab

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:07:09 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

Dear Agony Auntie: I've been enjoying candyfloss all these years. Now someone's told me about Triple X Mints. Although I haven't actually tried them yet myself, I'm confused by the abundance of brands and varieties available out there. Could you please tell me your Top 5 favourite kinds, so I'll know which ones I'll like most? :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| If ONLY it were that simple : to swallow down and assimilate other people's lists of what's important to *them* and make it our own... but since we're all individual, we have different taste and there is no such thing as an _objective_ 'must have' list of <name the category>. Go out, look, listen, be aware and discover what pleases *you* most. It's the serendipity that makes the most worthwhile fun. I * np : freebie that came with Future Music magazine currently : the Alesis NanoSynth presets :-)

1998-07-08 17:11Jon LoganYou make valid points, however, I remember when I was trying (struggling) to get into idm

From:: Jon Logan <jon@criticalpath.net>
To:: <substar@iafrica.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:11:11 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

You make valid points, however, I remember when I was trying (struggling) to get into idm about 3 years ago, I discovered the IDM top 10 of 1994 list, and proceeded to buy nearly everything on it, and I was disappointed with none of them. I'm glad I did, because that introduced me to Ae, Aphex, Black Dog, and a whole host of others. Everyone's favorites lists are highly personal and subjective, etc, but for those of us who don't know where to start, it's really helpful to get some suggestions from the seasoned listeners out there. :) At 1:07 PM +0200 7/8/98, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 22 lines Dear Agony Auntie:

>Dear Agony Auntie: > >I've been enjoying candyfloss all these years. Now someone's told >me about Triple X Mints. Although I haven't actually tried them yet >myself, I'm confused by the abundance of brands and varieties >available out there. Could you please tell me your Top 5 favourite >kinds, so I'll know which ones I'll like most? > >:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| > >If ONLY it were that simple : to swallow down and assimilate other >people's lists of what's important to *them* and make it our own... >but since we're all individual, we have different taste and there is >no such thing as an _objective_ 'must have' list of <name the >category>. Go out, look, listen, be aware and discover what pleases >*you* most. It's the serendipity that makes the most worthwhile fun. > >I >* > >np : freebie that came with Future Music magazine >currently : the Alesis NanoSynth presets :-)

1998-07-08 17:42laermOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Irene McC wrote: > np : freebie that came with Future Music magazine >

From:: laerm <laerm@voicenet.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:42:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: (idm) sample cd's: music to my ears!
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 2 lines np : freebie that came with Future Music magazine

> np : freebie that came with Future Music magazine > currently : the Alesis NanoSynth presets :-)

hee hee! glad to know i'm not the only person who listens to sample cd's and the like as music. :) * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### we decide what's wrong or right, we'd rather lose than fight/we're going down/without us you don't get no kicks, without us you do not exist/we are going down

1998-07-08 14:50robert.merlak@ri.tel.hrI didn't want to get on this thread but I couldn't resist :-) Fuck it, I have big mouth...

From:: <robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:50:48 +0200
Subject:: RE: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

I didn't want to get on this thread but I couldn't resist :-) Fuck it, I have big mouth... If someone asks me about IDM and haven't got any clue about it I would rather recommend him/her compilations than albums : objets d'art 92::95 2CD on new electronica artificial intelligence I CD on warp artificial intelligence II 2CD on warp elements of and experiments with sound CD on planet e ifach vol.1 CD on ifach skampler CD on slient/skam it's all becoming clear CD on clear the theory for evolution CD on warp/evolution bye rob

1998-07-08 16:36GamePrg.On Tuesday, 07-Jul-98, Keith Reinert wrote [about (idm) idm for newbies]: >So....I was won

From:: GamePrg. <aeq@access.digex.net>
To:: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:36:56 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

On Tuesday, 07-Jul-98, Keith Reinert wrote [about (idm) idm for newbies]:

quoted 3 lines So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would

>So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you >suggest?

- autechre: incunabula CD (Warp/TVT) - va: artificial intelligence 2 CD (Warp/TVT) - aphex twin: selected ambient works 85-92 CD (R&S) - va: skampler CD (Skam) - kraftwerk: tour de france (I'm sorry but after hearing it recently I must say it) CD (??) (is this still available? I would imagine on CD it is.) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

1998-07-17 23:49Mark StevensOn Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:54 -0400, you wrote: >So....I was wondering, if you had to pick,

From:: Mark Stevens <mark@sonance.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:49:54 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:54 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would

>So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you >suggest?

Without reading all the other replies (and thus running the risk of repeating someone else), I'd go for: 1) 808 State "90" (ZTT) 2) Various "Artificial Intelligence 2" (Warp) 3) Black Dog "Spanners" (Warp) 4) Aphex Twin "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" (R&S) 5) Autechre "Amber" (Warp) If you asked me the same question this time last week, I could just as well have said: 1) Boards of Canada "Music Has the Right to Children" (Warp) 2) Plaid "Not For Threes" (Warp) 3) Future Sound of London "Accelerator" (Jumpin' & Pumpin') 4) CJ Bolland "Electric Highway" (R&S) 5) Sun Electric "Present" (R&S) /\/)ark http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/

1998-07-07 18:40Bordeaux, Ethanthis is my first post to idm - keith, you should be proud of being able to draw me out of

From:: Bordeaux, Ethan <Ethan.Bordeaux@analog.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:40:52 -0400
Subject:: RE: (idm) idm for newbies

this is my first post to idm - keith, you should be proud of being able to draw me out of the corner. :) i've been on the list for a few months now and i definately could have used a question such as this to help me along. i'll offer 5 suggestions for idm that have made me very happy: 1 autechre: chiastic slide - the best album i've ever heard, the album i'd be trapped on a desert island with, the most complete and well thought out cd i've ever had the priveledge of hearing. i like it bunches. dark, intelligent, layered rhythms with the most stunning & jaw-dropping melodies. virtually all autechre & gescom is brilliant. 2 third eye foundation: semtex - sounds like the end of the world. starts w/ probably the best d'n'b track i've heard and ends in a ambient-feedback soup. 3 boards of canada: music has the right to children - reminds me of memories that i've never had. crunchy hip-hop beats and melodies second only to autechre in brilliance and mood. 4 porter ricks: biokinetics - the only basic channel/chain reaction cd i own, but i really should buy more. dark gurgly fuzzy noisey w/ housey beats. 5 scorn: ellipsis - the best remix disc i've heard. scorn remixed by scorn, bill laswell, coil, autechre, scanner, meat beat manifesto & others. good introduction to a bunch of talented folks. most compilations annoy me once i've found the songs that are worthwhile but i can listen to this one all the way through. it might also help that all of the musicians are great. each of these are on the darker side of idm, which is the side i gravitate towards. perhaps someone else could suggest something a bit lighter... also, these discs are all relatively old, but they've really stood the test of time for me. hope you enjoy. ethan

quoted 31 lines ----------

> ---------- > From: Keith Reinert[SMTP:keith@iamlost.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 2.08 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: (idm) idm for newbies > > When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I > *thought* I > listened to IDM, and a lot of it. I figured I'd be able to contriubte > to > some list discussions. However, message after message I see > references to > artists I have never heard of. > > And, well, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed! :) I feel the need for a > IDM CD > shopping spree, but I can't get *everything* talked about on the > list, and > wouldn't know where to start. > > So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you > would > recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you > suggest? > > Thanks! > > > Keith Reinert | ICQ# 4485538 | keith@iamlost.com > <http://www.iamlost.com/keith> | pgp dss public key avail. >

1998-07-07 18:42Maximilien LincourtKeith Reinert wrote: > > > So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that

From:: Maximilien Lincourt <max@toonboom.com>
To:: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:42:25 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

Keith Reinert wrote:

quoted 1 line

quoted 6 lines So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you

> > So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you > would recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would > you suggest? > >

I don't really have cutting edge experience but I'll give it a try ... Black Dog Productions : Spanners or Bytes Plaid : Not for threes Plastikman : -- Maximilien Lincourt, B. info., Software developer "2d or not 2d" ToonBoom Technologies Inc. phone 514 278 86 66 7, Laurier East fax 514 278 26 66 Montreal, Canada mailto:max@toonboom.com H2T 1E4 http://www.toonboom.com

1998-07-07 18:54Maximilien LincourtI'll go with these ... Plaid : Not for threes Plastikman : Sheet One Legion Of Green Men :

From:: Maximilien Lincourt <max@toonboom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:54:04 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

I'll go with these ... Plaid : Not for threes Plastikman : Sheet One Legion Of Green Men : Spatial Specific Seefeel : Succour Sandoz : Dark Continent ( not really IDM but ... ) and maybe Pete Namlook + Higher Intelligence Agency : S.H.A.D.O. You can also try some nice compilations : Artificial Intelligence ( find the double cd one )(Warp/Tvt) Object D'art ( not the last one )(New Electronica) -- Maximilien Lincourt, B. info., Software developer "2d or not 2d" ToonBoom Technologies Inc. phone 514 278 86 66 7, Laurier East fax 514 278 26 66 Montreal, Canada mailto:max@toonboom.com H2T 1E4 http://www.toonboom.com

1998-07-07 15:13Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Maximilien Lincourt wrote: > I'll go with these ... > > Plaid : Not fo

From:: Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] <nate@toshoklabs.com>
To:: Maximilien Lincourt <max@toonboom.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:13:16 +0000 ()
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Maximilien Lincourt wrote:

quoted 7 lines I'll go with these ...

> I'll go with these ... > > Plaid : Not for threes > Plastikman : Sheet One > Legion Of Green Men : Spatial Specific > Seefeel : Succour > Sandoz : Dark Continent ( not really IDM but ... )

Sandoz? Not IDM? I beg your pardon:) Very much IDM IMHO. Not the best Sandoz release though. Keith to add to your list I would go for Sandoz's 'Intensely Radioactive'. Also Richard H. Kirk's last 2 full length records under his own name: Virtual State and Number of Magic. Enjoy! NATE

1998-07-07 20:29Mark KolmarOn Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Maximilien Lincourt wrote: > Sandoz : Dark Continent ( not really IDM

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To:: Maximilien Lincourt <max@toonboom.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:29:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Maximilien Lincourt wrote:

quoted 1 line Sandoz : Dark Continent ( not really IDM but ... )

> Sandoz : Dark Continent ( not really IDM but ... )

If this isn't IDM then where is the line? It sure isn't straight-ahead dancefloor techo, or dub, or much less industrial dance. Just curious, not confrontational. As long as I'm at it, though...if you're looking for melodies with your intelligent beats and abstractions, check out Cabaret Voltaire's _Plasticity_. I doubt you'd go far wrong with _The Conversation_ either, or Richard H. Kirk's _Virtual State_. The other Sandoz records are pretty impressive as well. Other suggestions, some of which may fall outside a strict definition of IDM: VSVN (Atom Heart) -- hard to find release on his own Rather Interesting label, but worth the search. A couple other choices, two of which will be equally hard to find: BASS, Silver Sound 60, Senor Coconut. Jeff Mills, Purpose Maker and AXIS compilations -- highly experimental Detroit-style techno for the dancefloor. Coil, _Stolen and Contaminated Songs_ -- includes the magically polymetric "Nasa Arab". Many more of course. --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 "The electricity is no better off than on."

1998-07-07 19:11Mike Baughbooo, here we go: Aphex Twin: Richard D. James Album or Come to Daddy (just for the bounci

From:: Mike Baugh <crave@canuck.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:11:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

booo, here we go: Aphex Twin: Richard D. James Album or Come to Daddy (just for the bouncing ball) Autechre: Chiastic Slide or Chichli Suite Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy u-ziq: newest full length, (forgot the name at the moment:) AFX: Analogue Bubblebath 4 (wooooo!) all of this stuff is excellent and easy to get right now...check them out! cya------>mIkE |_ |_ |_ |_ |_ The People Under the Stairs Mike Baugh + Adrienne Pan Calgary Alberta Canada be afraid... www.canuck.com/~crave/people.html

1998-07-07 19:43clcertainly not an easy decision, nor something most will agree on, but here goes- 1. clear-

From:: cl <clietz@enteract.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:43:57 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

certainly not an easy decision, nor something most will agree on, but here goes- 1. clear- its all becoming...(clear) or knights who say dot (dot) for the electro/jazzy side 2. squarepusher- hnd/big loada or burnington tree for the dnb side 3. panasonic- kulma/vakio or plastikman- sheet one/consumed for the minimal beat-oriented thing 4. any schematic/skam/musik aus strom/markant/mask for the darker, more brooding aspect of idm 5. any farmers manual, recent rephlex, or v/vm for the "what the hell is this?" category. not the easiest stuff to get, but worth it. soon you will find yourself buying more and more and ordering from farther and farther away. a painful affliction that many have on this list. cl

1998-07-07 20:04siliconvortexhell, let's all get in on this one.. undoubtedly the finest introduction to today's electr

From:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:04:43 GMT
Subject:: (idm) idm for newbies

hell, let's all get in on this one.. undoubtedly the finest introduction to today's electronic music would have to be the following: 1: black dog productions: bytes 2: global communication: 76:14 3: autechre: chiastic slide 4: bochum welt: module 2 5: the aphex twin: selected ambient works 85-92 thank you <waves>

1998-07-07 16:15Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's electronic music',

From:: Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] <nate@toshoklabs.com>
To:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:15:42 +0000 ()
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's electronic music', since all of the release you list are old (early 90's) in IDM years...ok well not the Ae but nothing within the past year:) BTW, I got the Subconcious Geography release yesterday, and I'm quite enjoying it. A nice eclectic mix, very well done Siliconvortex et al! peace Nate On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, siliconvortex wrote:

quoted 20 lines hell, let's all get in on this one..

> hell, let's all get in on this one.. > > undoubtedly the finest introduction to today's electronic music would > have to be the following: > > 1: black dog productions: bytes > > 2: global communication: 76:14 > > 3: autechre: chiastic slide > > 4: bochum welt: module 2 > > 5: the aphex twin: selected ambient works 85-92 > > thank you > > <waves> > >

1998-07-07 20:29siliconvortexOn Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:15:42 +0000 (), you wrote: >I find it interesting that your would sa

From:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:29:08 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:15:42 +0000 (), you wrote:

quoted 3 lines I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's

i know - isn't it a shame ;-D you would be hard pushed to topple any of my favourite records from their perch after all this time.. and really, what has emerged in the past 12, 24, 36 months that has a fraction of the inspirational quality of, say, bytes? is idm going through a midlife crisis? the answers to these questions, and many more, can be found..

quoted 2 lines BTW, I got the Subconcious Geography release yesterday, and I'm quite

>BTW, I got the Subconcious Geography release yesterday, and I'm quite >enjoying it. A nice eclectic mix, very well done Siliconvortex et al!

thanks nate, and to everybody that supported us on this fun little escapade - big love and hugs to pj@modernmusic and greg clow (copy on the way to you asap senor).. our next project is now under way (quiet at the back) and i'll be bringing you news on that as it happens. one of these days i'm going to buy a keyboard :-) btw.. tomorrow i'll be withdrawing the last copy of the cd from piccadilly, manchester - which is afaik the last copy available for sale anywhere in the WHOLE WORLD!!! (gosh!) so if anyone's still looking for this they'd better beat me to it <big grin> <waves> np - the weight (revisited) - black dog productions

1998-07-07 20:45Mark KolmarOn Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > I find it interesting tha

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To:: Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] <nate@toshoklabs.com>
Cc:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:45:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:

quoted 3 lines I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's

I see you specify "today's"... but don't you think it is wise to let the records resonate and sort of establish their value for the long haul, before you begin to call them classic? 5 years is not that long. The best art is as alive today as it ever was -- maybe even moreso -- even if the age shows. When you listen to a record for a few years, and it keeps getting better every time you hear it, then it might be safe to say you've got a classic. If it has lost its value in just a few years then maybe you've just got an interesting period piece. Any thoughts on this? --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 "The electricity is no better off than on."

1998-07-07 23:06foo chickenJust because its old, doesn't mean that it can't rival today's electronic music.. I'd remo

From:: foo chicken <brett@techno.chicken.org>
To:: Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] <nate@toshoklabs.com>
Cc:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

Just because its old, doesn't mean that it can't rival today's electronic music.. I'd remove bytes from the list though. On Tue, 7 July 1998, at 16:15:42, Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] wrote:

quoted 10 lines I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's

> I find it interesting that your would say 'fine introduction to today's > electronic music', since all of the release you list are old (early 90's) > in IDM years...ok well not the Ae but nothing within the past year:) > > BTW, I got the Subconcious Geography release yesterday, and I'm quite > enjoying it. A nice eclectic mix, very well done Siliconvortex et al! > > peace > > Nate

1998-07-14 12:30robert.merlak@ri.tel.hrIDM or whatever we call it (in other words: the thing all this stuff exists for): --> Down

From:: <robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:52 +0200
Subject:: RE: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: (idm) idm for newbies

IDM or whatever we call it (in other words: the thing all this stuff exists for): --> Down on Marne Avenue by Mike Dred, the KOSMIK KOMMANDO on CODE Fcd, the first MACHINE CODES compilation 1993-1997. "It'll give you both a taste of history and a pointer to the future but, most of all, it's entertaining, sincere and deftly crafted music that will survive the test of time." (RePHLeX Master Control) qwerty

1998-07-07 22:34Eamonn>So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to so

From:: Eamonn <eamonn@daly.demon.nl>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:34:56 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

quoted 3 lines So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would

>So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you >suggest?

<bait> 1 Bjork: Homogenic 2 Prodigy: Fat of the Land 3 Underworld: Second Toughest... 4 Leftfield: Leftism 5 The Smurfs: No Limits 6 U2: that thing they did 7 Bowie: that thing he did </bait> ;-) Sod the king's new clothes. Heads down! <serious> ultramarine </serious>

1998-07-08 01:10Mark KolmarOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Eamonn wrote: > <bait> > 3 Underworld: Second Toughest... And what was

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
To:: Eamonn <eamonn@daly.demon.nl>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Date:: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:10:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Eamonn wrote:

quoted 2 lines <bait>

> <bait> > 3 Underworld: Second Toughest...

And what was wrong with this record? On its merits alone, none of this carping is deserved. Same with _dubnobass..._ I don't know; maybe it is easier to get sick of Underworld if you live on that side of the ocean.

quoted 1 line 6 U2: that thing they did

> 6 U2: that thing they did

Yeah, it's like they are wearing someone else's ill-fitting clothes. There was a time when U2 had a lot of passion and credibility on their side. Now...

quoted 1 line 7 Bowie: that thing he did

> 7 Bowie: that thing he did

Trying to popularize elements from underground music is most of what Bowie has ever been about. Just congratulate the man for keeping the "Thin" in "Thin White Duke" and for being able to dig himself out of the elder- statesman rut he got himself into for a long while there. --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 "The electricity is no better off than on."

1998-07-08 05:28the artist formerly known as salvador dalibjork... i thought her latest was actually more groundbreaking than a lot of standard idm

From:: the artist formerly known as salvador dali <robert.geary@yale.edu>
To:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
Cc:: Eamonn <eamonn@daly.demon.nl>, <idm@hyperreal.org>, Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:28:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

bjork... i thought her latest was actually more groundbreaking than a lot of standard idm stuff lately. orchestras and electronics colliding, bouncing off each other and fusing with passionate songwriting. a great listen.

quoted 4 lines 6 U2: that thing they did

> > 6 U2: that thing they did > Yeah, it's like they are wearing someone else's ill-fitting clothes. > There was a time when U2 had a lot of passion and credibility on their > side. Now...

no, the electronics don't fit u2 well as a *focal* point. but u2 have always been about adapting a new sound to their 'feel', and i think on 'pop' they were reaching for it and didn't quite get it. actually, they did get it much earlier, on 'zooropa', everyone's least favorite u2 record since they dabbled in beats and loops way before it was the new hip thing.

quoted 5 lines 7 Bowie: that thing he did

> > 7 Bowie: that thing he did > Trying to popularize elements from underground music is most of what Bowie > has ever been about. Just congratulate the man for keeping the "Thin" in > "Thin White Duke" and for being able to dig himself out of the elder- > statesman rut he got himself into for a long while there.

i give bowie enormous props simply for having fans among the kids, keeping himself healthy and seemingly happy, and trying to keep pushing his music unlike other surviving members of his generation. he and eno are class acts, and while 'earthling' wasn't the most innovative record last year, it certainly rates as a good bowie record. sorta-idm thought: what i really like about boards of canada, bits of autechre, and the x-ecutioners: they all use the occasional vocal sample that 's so processed and cut up that you'll never figure out what it's actually saying. i think it's one of the stranger elements of old school hip hop that never gets any attention: the little vocal samples that are so far back in the mix, or so messed up by the producing or cutting, that they cease to be words. heck, sometimes they're the best hook in the song. anyway. rob

1998-07-08 05:07waving AND drowningMark Kolmar wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Eamonn wrote: > > > <bait> > > 3 Underworld: Seco

From:: waving AND drowning <jpklein@flash.net>
To:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
Cc:: Inevitably Damaged Milkmen <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:07:19 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 28 lines On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Eamonn wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Eamonn wrote: > > > <bait> > > 3 Underworld: Second Toughest... > > And what was wrong with this record? On its merits alone, none of this > carping is deserved. Same with _dubnobass..._ I don't know; maybe it is > easier to get sick of Underworld if you live on that side of the ocean. > > > 6 U2: that thing they did > > Yeah, it's like they are wearing someone else's ill-fitting clothes. > There was a time when U2 had a lot of passion and credibility on their > side. Now... > > > 7 Bowie: that thing he did > > Trying to popularize elements from underground music is most of what Bowie > has ever been about. Just congratulate the man for keeping the "Thin" in > "Thin White Duke" and for being able to dig himself out of the elder- > statesman rut he got himself into for a long while there. > > --Mark > > __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 > > "The electricity is no better off than on."

Out of my lurking posture and onto the *unpopular* list. One thing that gets a bit hard to take on the IDM list is the often unfounded slagging "certain" artists take here. It was simply amazing that the mention of Orbital in the last week or so didn't bring out the napalm like it usually does. I have to side with Mark here. While being *my* age doesn't provide any inherent savvy or ability to pick 'em, it means I've seen and heard a bit. Bowie has his weak points, but people like him (and Hutter and Schneider, for that matter) have done some fine stuff - and, imo, still do a passable job. I would go so far as to say that not only is there nothing wrong with Underworld or Orbital, but that they are both (imo,again) relevant and doing things - in a good way - that a lot of the latest buzzers are not. NONE of this to speak ill of the new, the different, the groundbreaking, etc. I buy it all, but see little sense in the frequent trashing of UW, Orbital and the like. It's not that I fail to see any logic in (SOME of) the points made, either. All music isn't meant to do the same things. It would be nice if a little less elitism (note: this is a general criticism, not meant for this thread in particular) were involved in the whole scene, n'est-ce pas? Now pull out your flame throwers and have at it..... jeff -- dancing/about/architechture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008

1998-07-08 09:58Iain Forfar>i know - isn't it a shame ;-D you would be hard pushed to topple any >of my favourite rec

From:: Iain Forfar <iforfar@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 02:58:25 PDT
Subject:: (idm) idm for newbies

quoted 6 lines i know - isn't it a shame ;-D you would be hard pushed to topple any

>i know - isn't it a shame ;-D you would be hard pushed to topple any >of my favourite records from their perch after all this time.. and >really, what has emerged in the past 12, 24, 36 months that has a >fraction of the inspirational quality of, say, bytes? is idm going >through a midlife crisis? the answers to these questions, and many >more, can be found..

Quite a lot really, but then, after a lot of effort I've decided Bytes does nothing for me. Same with Spanners, although that and _Temple of.." have their moments. Somehow I think I just don't get it and believe me, I've tried. I find BDP "pleasant", but not as amazing as everyone else seems too. Ken's posts to this list in the past have always made me smile though. My attempt at five. 1 : Squarepusher - Hard Normal Daddy 2 : SKAMpler 3 : Amon Tobin - Permutation 4 : Ae. - Chiclisuite 5 : Something by Luke Vibert - Don't know what though -i. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

1998-07-08 14:31Geoffrey LanghamAs a result of bringing brought into idm on d and b: Hard Normal Daddy--drill and bass sad

From:: Geoffrey Langham <langham@eta.pha.jhu.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:31:12 -0400
Subject:: (idm) idm for newbies

As a result of bringing brought into idm on d and b: Hard Normal Daddy--drill and bass sad enough to make you cry The Mike and Rich Album--nothing new but fun as hell Mike Paradinas' newer excursions into drill and bass

1998-07-08 19:24Frimann Freyr BjornssonNot really IDM but.... 1. AUTECHRE - AMBER/Tri Repetae 2. FSOL - ISDN 3. NINE INCH NAILS -

From:: Frimann Freyr Bjornsson <Dr.Fungus@simnet.is>
To:: idm mailing list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:24:09 -0000
Subject:: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies

Not really IDM but.... 1. AUTECHRE - AMBER/Tri Repetae 2. FSOL - ISDN 3. NINE INCH NAILS - DOWNWARD SPIRAL 4. BRIAN ENO - APOLLO:ATMOSPHERES AND SOUNDTRACKS 5. Philip Glass - Koyanisquatsi + more DJ SPOOKY - SONGS OF A DEAD DREAMER PETE NAMLOOK + MIXMASTER MORRIS - DREAMFISH TECHNO ANIMAL - RE-ENTRY APHEX TWIN - SELECTED AMBIENT WORKS 2 BIOSPHERE - SUBSTRATA SIX NINE - THE SOUND OF MUSIC DJ KRUSH - STRICTLY TURNTABLIZED JOEY BELTRAM - CALIBER EP MONEY MARK - MARK´S KEYBOARD REPAIR Zorglúbb We are what people say we are. . . They project upon us their convictions --we are nothing but blank screens. --Trevor Goodchild ÆON FLUX -----Original Message----- From: Keith Reinert <keith@iamlost.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: (idm) idm for newbies

quoted 18 lines When I first signed up for this list a couple of weeks ago, I *thought* I

1998-07-10 13:59Zenon M. FeszczakBeginner's Guide to IDM? Start with some smart comps, and follow the threads that fire you

From:: Zenon M. Feszczak <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:59:11 -0400
Subject:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies

Beginner's Guide to IDM? Start with some smart comps, and follow the threads that fire your synapses: - Artificial Intelligence 1 + 2 - Ambient Dub 1,2,3,4 (U.K. Beyond releases) - A.D. 1,2,3,4 (domestic U.S. Waveform release with much overlap of above) - Artcore 1,2,3,4 - Platinum Breakz 1 - Torque (No U-Turn) - Breakbeat Science 1+2 (yes, must include some jungle, sorry IDM purists) - Dream Injection 1,2,3,4,5 (the K-Tel of IDM, very tasty selection of all the IDM faves) - Objets d'Art 1/2 + 3 (pure dreamy rhythmic fun) - 5 Years of Eye-Q (this will get me booted from the list for sure - trance) - Skampler - The Knights Who Say Dot - A Taste of Pork (I resisted buying this for a long time as a vegetarian, but whited out the title and changed it to "A Taste of Tempeh") - any Ninja/Ntone comps: - Flexistentialism (U.K.) etc. - earthrise.ntone or earthrise.ninja on Shadow (U.S.) That'll break the bank for a while... Best, 3

1998-07-10 17:20Jon Logan> >- A Taste of Pork >(I resisted buying this for a long time as a vegetarian, but whited

From:: Jon Logan <jon@criticalpath.net>
To:: Zenon M. Feszczak <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:03 -0700
Subject:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies

quoted 5 lines - A Taste of Pork

> >- A Taste of Pork >(I resisted buying this for a long time as a vegetarian, but whited out the >title and changed it to "A Taste of Tempeh") >

I must commend you for suggesting this album. Singlehandedly, this disc caused me to buy everything on the pork label, and much of anything else that sounds like them. Incidentally, I just picked up the latest Bullitnuts, and I think it is their best yet. It is deep and mellow like their last two outings, but not as plodding. I recommend it. Oh, and the Akotcha full length as well. take care ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathan Logan Work: 415 543-2800 UI Droog Home: 415 487-0424 CriticalPath, Inc. Mobile: 415 902-8079 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

1998-07-11 19:50SolenoidI really like this list, and I would add: Biorhythms 1 & 2 (Network Records (not the Vanco

From:: Solenoid <solenoid@thetics.europa.com>
To:: Zenon M. Feszczak <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies
Reply to:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies

I really like this list, and I would add: Biorhythms 1 & 2 (Network Records (not the Vancouver, B.C. label)) my comments: On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

quoted 5 lines Beginner's Guide to IDM?

> Beginner's Guide to IDM? > > Start with some smart comps, and follow the threads that fire your synapses: > > - Artificial Intelligence 1 + 2

Absolutely, AI 1 is listed in the original IDM FAQ from a few years ago as the defining recording for IDM and what it means, that is fine with me.

quoted 2 lines - Ambient Dub 1,2,3,4

> - Ambient Dub 1,2,3,4 > (U.K. Beyond releases)

I suggest 1 or 2 over 3 or 4 any day.

quoted 3 lines - A.D. 1,2,3,4

> - A.D. 1,2,3,4 > (domestic U.S. Waveform release with much overlap of above) > - Artcore 1,2,3,4

quoted 2 lines - Platinum Breakz 1

> - Platinum Breakz 1 > - Torque (No U-Turn)

I s'pose so, eh.

quoted 2 lines - Breakbeat Science 1+2

> - Breakbeat Science 1+2 > (yes, must include some jungle, sorry IDM purists)

While I don't care for this stuff much, yeah, this is the ultimate comp of quality stuff from this time, etc.

quoted 2 lines - Dream Injection 1,2,3,4,5

> - Dream Injection 1,2,3,4,5 > (the K-Tel of IDM, very tasty selection of all the IDM faves)

hmm, was this ever on vinyl? I forget to look for cd's, so I never noticed this comp series

quoted 2 lines - Objets d'Art 1/2 + 3

> - Objets d'Art 1/2 + 3 > (pure dreamy rhythmic fun)

Egad, yes; second to AI, imho.

quoted 2 lines - 5 Years of Eye-Q

> - 5 Years of Eye-Q > (this will get me booted from the list for sure - trance)

quoted 2 lines - Skampler

> - Skampler > - The Knights Who Say Dot

Yes

quoted 3 lines - A Taste of Pork

> - A Taste of Pork > (I resisted buying this for a long time as a vegetarian, but whited out the > title and changed it to "A Taste of Tempeh")

hippie!

quoted 3 lines - any Ninja/Ntone comps:

> - any Ninja/Ntone comps: > - Flexistentialism (U.K.) etc. > - earthrise.ntone or earthrise.ninja on Shadow (U.S.)

Here I agree with the "earthrise.ntone", and would suggest the Ninja "DJ Food" jazz breaks and remix LPs, as they really represent Ninja in a good light. DJ Tools, too. These aren't comps, true, but they have enough ninja hands in them that they practically are comps by who is on them. solenoid@europa.com <------+

1998-07-09 00:09siliconvortexOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:29:35 +0100, you wrote: >>4: bochum welt: module 2 >Can I amend numb

From:: siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:09:49 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:29:35 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 1 line 4: bochum welt: module 2

>>4: bochum welt: module 2

quoted 1 line Can I amend number 4 to - Tanzmuzik: Sinsekai ?

>Can I amend number 4 to - Tanzmuzik: Sinsekai ?

certainly not.. not when they left the best track, 'tan tangue', off the album..

quoted 2 lines There`s no conclusion of course, but it`s good therapy for the list all

>There`s no conclusion of course, but it`s good therapy for the list all >the same :o)

anything to drown out the breakbeat bile. who wants to read about frankenwinstons' bastard monster creation again?

quoted 2 lines PS: Any Londoners going to Sprawl on Thursday, I`ll be there in me

>PS: Any Londoners going to Sprawl on Thursday, I`ll be there in me >Sub-Con-Geo t-shirt

our first bootlegger.. the lawyers are on the way down. watch your back. btw, are you ready for the cape? salford sounds in the area, in the vicinity.

quoted 2 lines waving a bottle of beer and a packet of fags to

>waving a bottle of beer and a packet of fags to >the whirr of the minidiscs.

meanwhile, i'll be in leeds checking out some prime japanese noise. my system needs cleaning out after the mask400 episode. by the way, the new gescom ep is just great. if you were afraid of Ae getting a little too 'look mom, no hands', this should put your worries to rest. it's warm, very wam. <waves>

1998-07-09 06:30waving AND drowningGamePrg. wrote: > On Tuesday, 07-Jul-98, Keith Reinert wrote [about (idm) idm for newbies]

From:: waving AND drowning <jpklein@flash.net>
To:: <aeq@access.digex.net>, Inevitably Damaged Milkmen <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:30:17 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) idm for newbies

GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 19 lines On Tuesday, 07-Jul-98, Keith Reinert wrote [about (idm) idm for newbies]:

> On Tuesday, 07-Jul-98, Keith Reinert wrote [about (idm) idm for newbies]: > >So....I was wondering, if you had to pick, say 5 IDM CD's that you would > >recommend to someone who...ummmm just got into IDM....what would you > >suggest? > > - autechre: incunabula CD (Warp/TVT) > - va: artificial intelligence 2 CD (Warp/TVT) > - aphex twin: selected ambient works 85-92 CD (R&S) > - va: skampler CD (Skam) > - kraftwerk: tour de france (I'm sorry but after hearing it recently I must > say it) CD (??) (is this still available? I would imagine on CD it is.) > > __ > __\ \ > / /_\ \ > 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 > > "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new > ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

To my knowledge, "Tour de France" was only realesed on a German comp. called "DJ's Best" and it is long oop. jeff -- dancing/about/architechture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008

1998-07-11 07:17CheZenon has a very good suggestion here - start with excellent compilations and use them to

From:: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
To:: Intelligent Dumb Music <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:17:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Fw: (idm) idm for newbies

Zenon has a very good suggestion here - start with excellent compilations and use them to figure out who & what you like. Before I found IDM (the maillist), I had to rely on comps to point me to new artists. Back in '92 there were some really shitty comps, too (in all fairness, there still are; I've just gotten better at avoiding them). Nowadays I've pretty much can read about something & tell whether I'll like it or not, but that takes practice. I'd recommend buying more Ninja comps (or the earlier domestic Shadow comps of Ninja tracks), but that's just me. :) Che At 09:59 AM 7/10/98 -0400, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

quoted 50 lines Beginner's Guide to IDM?

>Beginner's Guide to IDM? > >Start with some smart comps, and follow the threads that fire your synapses: > >- Artificial Intelligence 1 + 2 > >- Ambient Dub 1,2,3,4 >(U.K. Beyond releases) > >- A.D. 1,2,3,4 >(domestic U.S. Waveform release with much overlap of above) > >- Artcore 1,2,3,4 >- Platinum Breakz 1 >- Torque (No U-Turn) >- Breakbeat Science 1+2 >(yes, must include some jungle, sorry IDM purists) > >- Dream Injection 1,2,3,4,5 >(the K-Tel of IDM, very tasty selection of all the IDM faves) > >- Objets d'Art 1/2 + 3 >(pure dreamy rhythmic fun) > >- 5 Years of Eye-Q >(this will get me booted from the list for sure - trance) > >- Skampler > >- The Knights Who Say Dot > >- A Taste of Pork >(I resisted buying this for a long time as a vegetarian, but whited out the >title and changed it to "A Taste of Tempeh") > >- any Ninja/Ntone comps: >- Flexistentialism (U.K.) etc. >- earthrise.ntone or earthrise.ninja on Shadow (U.S.) > > >That'll break the bank for a while... > >Best, > >3 > > > > >