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1996-12-27 10:16h.erdem motuk (idm) mouse on mars
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1996-12-27 15:15Thaddi Herrmann Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1996-12-27 23:19Brock Suter Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1996-12-28 11:27Thaddi Herrmann Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1997-03-26 00:54sm@4th World (idm) mouse on mars
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1997-06-30 19:17Random Junk (idm) mouse on mars
1997-08-23 08:11mark weddle (idm) Mouse on Mars
1997-10-13 06:21Re: (idm) coldcut on rule 43?
└─ 1997-10-14 23:07drew mcdowall Re: (idm) coldcut on rule 43?
1997-10-13 18:03Random Junk Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1997-10-14 06:34Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1997-10-17 13:13drew mcdowall (idm) Re:music business greed (was coldcut on...)
├─ 1997-10-17 18:34Random Junk (idm) mouse on mars
└─ 1997-10-17 21:43Eric Frans Re: (idm) Re:music business greed (was coldcut on...)
└─ 1997-10-20 20:19Random Junk Re: (idm) Re:music business greed (was coldcut on...)
1997-10-22 04:01SWEET VERNAL (idm) MOUSE ON MARS
1997-11-25 18:55jimg/skoop (idm) mouse on mars
1998-02-12 04:23Brad Tribucher (idm) mouse on mars
1998-02-12 05:42cl Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1998-02-12 18:26Re: (idm) mouse on mars
1998-03-06 21:22cl Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
└─ 1998-03-07 02:51Arjun Mendiratta Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-03-06 21:23Adrian P. Cuenca (idm) Mouse on Mars
└─ 1998-03-07 13:03Irene McC Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-03-07 04:58cl Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-03-07 05:16mult santa Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-12-07 17:51Sean McGonagle (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-12-08 03:03Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1998-12-08 17:29Sean McGonagle (idm) Mouse on Mars
1999-01-13 05:12(idm) mouse on mars
1999-01-25 09:43(idm) Mouse on Mars
1999-01-25 14:41Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
1999-01-25 21:47j.a./s.n. Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
2000-01-19 14:11Brad Shelton (idm) reviews - Mouse on Mars, Solvent, Tied + Tickled Trio, Various Artists
2000-01-19 20:15john healy (idm) Mouse on Mars
2000-01-19 21:24William VanLoo Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
2000-01-19 22:15john healy Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
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1996-12-27 10:16h.erdem motuki saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them? they sound good w
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i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them? they sound good with a real drum sound.
1996-12-27 20:31James FletcherOn Fri, 27 Dec 1996, h.erdem motuk wrote: > i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.doe
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On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, h.erdem motuk wrote:
quoted 3 lines i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them?> i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them? > they sound good with a real drum sound. >
ley me just start off by saying they are great! i am so surprized that they are not talked about more. they have two albums out. both available domestic. the first one came out in '94 and is called vulva. the second came out in '95 and is called iaora tahiti. i strongly recomend that you pick them both up. hope this helps, james
1996-12-27 15:15Thaddi Herrmannh.erdem motuk wrote: > > i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know abou
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h.erdem motuk wrote:
quoted 3 lines i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them?> > i saw a performance of mouse on mars on tv.does anybody know about them? > they sound good with a real drum sound.
Two weirdos from Cologne/Germany: Jan and Andi. Definitely two of the nicest guys in the whole world. Two albums on Too Pure: Vulvaland and Iaora Tahiti. Their live shows are great, saw them a couple of times and I always freaked out. Thaddi
1996-12-27 23:19Brock SuterI too am a big fan of mouse on mars. On a related note, I picked up Microstoria 'Init Ding
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I too am a big fan of mouse on mars. On a related note, I picked up Microstoria 'Init Ding' yesterday. Not 100 percent sure, but I think that it's the same Jan from MoM. The other person involved is Markus Popp. He sounds very famillar, maybe Oval or something like that? Anyways, The LP is a very nice ambient journey. Lot's of wierd sounds, sparse melodies and the like. I've had a lot of fun firing up the old 303 and adding some wacky stuff on top! word, brock np: Ed Rush - West Side Sax
1996-12-28 11:27Thaddi HerrmannBrock Suter wrote: > > I too am a big fan of mouse on mars. > > On a related note, I picke
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Brock Suter wrote:
quoted 8 lines I too am a big fan of mouse on mars.> > I too am a big fan of mouse on mars. > > On a related note, I picked up Microstoria 'Init Ding' yesterday. Not > 100 percent sure, but I think that it's the same Jan from MoM. The > other person involved is Markus Popp. He sounds very famillar, maybe > Oval or something like that? >
Yep, you're right. Jan from MoM and Marcus from Oval. There are two MIcrostoria albums out on Mille Plateaux. Just found a weird 10" yesterday called SCHLAMMPEITZIGER. New Mouse On Mars track is on there... Thaddi
1997-03-26 00:54sm@4th World"Dave Walker" <marmoset@mich.com> wrote >what's Mouse on Mars up to lately, anything? gett
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"Dave Walker" <marmoset@mich.com> wrote
quoted 1 line what's Mouse on Mars up to lately, anything?>what's Mouse on Mars up to lately, anything?
getting chased by cats sm@4thworld http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more
1997-03-26 10:14Thaddi Herrmann> "Dave Walker" <marmoset@mich.com> wrote > > >what's Mouse on Mars up to lately, anything
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quoted 6 lines "Dave Walker" <marmoset@mich.com> wrote> "Dave Walker" <marmoset@mich.com> wrote > > >what's Mouse on Mars up to lately, anything? > > getting chased by cats >
Friend of mine played me a pre-release tape from an album by Jan and some guy from Kraftwerk. Anybody? Heiko? -------------------------------------------------- Thaddi, un flaneur electronique http://www.haywire.co.uk/dhr/sonicsubjunkies.html Reason #173 to fear technology... o o o o o <o <o> o> o .|. \|. \|/ // X \ | <| <|> /\ >\ /< >\ /< >\ /< >\ /< Dr. Ascii explores Digital Hardcore
1997-06-30 19:17Random Junkmouse on mars - cache coeur naif thrill jockey (thrill 043) four tracks of weird wonderful
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mouse on mars - cache coeur naif thrill jockey (thrill 043) four tracks of weird wonderful music from my favorite rodents. this time they've teamed up with stereolab chanteuse laetitia sadier, and the results are the usual high quality MoM wackiness with a little bit of accessibility provided in the vocal department. the title track is a cute little ditty with maybe just a little too much singing for my tastes. but it's catchy and bouncy nonetheless. "schnick-schnack" is a more percolating kinda percussive thing, almost housey in a weird mutated german expressionist way, with a happy go lucky vocal part. "lazergum" has a cardboard electro beat and some grunchy synths with filtered french vox. "glim" closes out the EP with some typical MoM psychedelic action. the bottom line is, mouse on mars definitely cut their own swath through the muddle of electronic music. they are resolutely their own thing, no matter what else happens. for a taste of this EP, check out my new RealAudio archive hiding out at http://sticky.bud.com/ i've put up the track "lazergum". -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-08-23 08:11mark weddlehi, Just saw "Future Dub" by MoM on AMP and I rather dig it. Is all their stuff layed back
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hi, Just saw "Future Dub" by MoM on AMP and I rather dig it. Is all their stuff layed back like this? What's some good discs to seek out? Thanks, markw@southwind.net
1997-10-13 06:21discreet@generation.net>> >>it's called Matt using sarcasm to prove a point. Coldcut have always >>stood by the f
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quoted 16 lines it's called Matt using sarcasm to prove a point. Coldcut have always>> >>it's called Matt using sarcasm to prove a point. Coldcut have always >>stood by the fact that sampling shouldn't even be an issue if you are >>using your samples in an original way. There are loads of people that >>have sampled our Ninja records and we never went after them because we >> >i considered that it might be a joke and thought carefully before posting >the original message but i reread the article and it really doesn't come >across as sarcasm especially if you read the whole thing in context.but if >you know for a fact that it was sarcasm and your not just jumping to your >boss's defence regardless then i suppose we will have to put that down to >bad interview technique or sloppy journalism.i mean this is too important >to dismiss.for musicians that use sampling,it goes to the heart of what we >do. >ninja tune/coldcut can afford to buy their way out of trouble, others >aren't so fortunate.
If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how serious he is being. This opens him up to loads of quotes being taken out of context. Look no further than his 'it's not that we're so brilliant, it's that everyone else is crap' comment. I havn't actually seen the interview in question, but I can totally see Matt saying those things to point out the stupidity that is copyright infringement cases. As for us being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor charge or whatever, however if we were to get sued over the new Coldcut record we would be quite fucked. We certinatly don't have enough money to pull 10's of thousands of copies off shelfs and destroy them, not to mention all the legal fees and potential charges. We have been threatened with lawsuits before and yes, we have been sued a few times. It sucks. It's such a shitty issue. Usually the only people that will sue you are the ones that already have loads of cash and can afford to go through with it. It can be worked out so much more easily. If someone threatens to sue you and you are indeed guilty it's usually quite easy to work it out in a reasonable manner by offering some points on the royalties or publishing (just go to the source and keep the lawyers out of it...U2/Island vs. Negativland anyone?). We have actually gone on to work with people who we originally met because they were looking into the fact that we sampled them. It's the reason Coldcut got to remix James Brown.
quoted 3 lines Did you honestly think he was serious?>> Did you honestly think he was serious? > >i believe people in the business are capable of anything.
This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes. If we were ever to do what Matt was implying it would be the end of the label. If people didn't kill us they would at least stop buying our records. We are music people first, business second. Even our lawyer is a hip-hop head.
quoted 6 lines I ment to say we will NOT be turning in any of our friends for>>I ment to say we will NOT be turning in any of our friends for >>sampling. Mightly hypocritical if we did. > >so it's only your friends that are safe? anyone else better watch out? why >don't you invite matt black to post personally to the list to confirm that >he would not shop anyone for using uncleared samples.
Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas Take Care Jeff
1997-10-14 23:07drew mcdowall> >If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how >serious he is bein
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quoted 7 lines If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how> >If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how >serious he is being. This opens him up to loads of quotes being taken out >of context. Look no further than his 'it's not that we're so brilliant, >it's that everyone else is crap' comment. I havn't actually seen the >interview in question, but I can totally see Matt saying those things to >point out the stupidity that is copyright infringement cases.
i can appreciate that,the mix journalist probably didn't realise the implications of what matt was saying.
quoted 13 lines being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor>being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor >charge or whatever, however if we were to get sued over the new Coldcut >record we would be quite fucked. We certinatly don't have enough money to >pull 10's of thousands of copies off shelfs and destroy them, not to >mention all the legal fees and potential charges. We have been threatened >with lawsuits before and yes, we have been sued a few times. It sucks. >It's such a shitty issue. Usually the only people that will sue you are >the ones that already have loads of cash and can afford to go through >with it. It can be worked out so much more easily. If someone threatens >to sue you and you are indeed guilty it's usually quite easy to work it >out in a reasonable manner by offering some points on the royalties or >publishing (just go to the source and keep the lawyers out of >it...U2/Island vs. Negativland anyone?). We have actually gone on to work
i take your point on all that.unless your a major label you can't really shrug that kind of thing off. what i would like to see is something similar to what exists in book and magazine publishing and that's the idea of fair use or quotation.you credit your sources and everyones happy.it's incredible really that the concept doesn't exist in music.
quoted 4 lines This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes.>This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes. >If we were ever to do what Matt was implying it would be the end of the >label. If people didn't kill us they would at least stop buying our >records. We are music people first, business second. Even our lawyer is a
yeah true,from what i've heard coldcut have had their share of getting shafted by the business(big life?)
quoted 2 lines Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas> >Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas
sorry i should have realised that's what you meant. -drew
1997-10-13 18:03Random JunkWayne writes: > has anyone heard the new mouse on mars..instrumentals record? if you're ta
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Wayne writes:
quoted 1 line has anyone heard the new mouse on mars..instrumentals record?> has anyone heard the new mouse on mars..instrumentals record?
if you're talking about AUTODITACKER, yes, i've got it, and it is fantastic. more brilliant crunchy weirdness from MoM... perhaps even more upbeat and accessible than their previous stuff but still weird as fuck. i really love this album, top 10 of the year no doubt... music that makes you smile. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-10-14 06:34PUCKERED1@aol.comIn a message dated 10/14/97 6:23:32 AM, jsd@gamespot.com (Random Junk) wrote: >Wayne write
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In a message dated 10/14/97 6:23:32 AM, jsd@gamespot.com (Random Junk) wrote:
quoted 8 lines Wayne writes:>Wayne writes: >> has anyone heard the new mouse on mars..instrumentals record? > >if you're talking about AUTODITACKER, yes, i've got it, and it is >fantastic. more brilliant crunchy weirdness from MoM... perhaps even >more upbeat and accessible than their previous stuff but still weird >as fuck. i really love this album, top 10 of the year no doubt... >music that makes you smile.
I believe he is talking about the NEW release called: Instrumentals... which I believe was released today.
1997-10-17 13:13drew mcdowalli know we might be thought off-topic a bit but Mark makes interesting points that are rele
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i know we might be thought off-topic a bit but Mark makes interesting points that are relevant to IDM'rs who uses samples and/or anyone who exchanges mixtapes,home burned CDR's etc.
quoted 5 lines The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry>The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry >I can think of off the top of my head. Everything from killing DAT as a >consumer format, to the buffalo-bagel SCMS, to the various proposals of >"watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a >sharp "inaudible" notch filter to e_mod's Liquid Audio format).
if the music industry hadn't conspired to bury DAT as a consumer format we would be able to buy machines for under £200 and portable DAT's for under £100.the horrible short sightedness of it is that it did nothing to stem the flow of piracy anyway. and this whole idea of embedding watermarks in audio is horrible,although i think that if you were to sample such a piece of that "protected" audio and were then to treat it with effects and filters etc. the watermark would be unrecoverable...until the industry finds a way to stop you doing that.
quoted 3 lines What these people don't realize is the last time I gave someone a mix tape,he>What these people don't realize is the last time I gave someone a mix tape,he >promptly went out to buy about 4 CDs by bands he would not otherwise have >>known.
that's it exactly.anyone with any sense who makes music doesn't mind that sort of thing,or people taping gigs.most people would rather their music was heard on a tape made by friends than not at all,and the people who buy live bootlegs already have the "legitimate" releases anyway,so no sales are lost. btw i thought that john cage quote summed it up nicely.where is it from? -drew np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i had to get it)
1997-10-17 18:34Random Junkdrew mcdowall writes: > np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yester
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quoted 2 lines np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i> np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i > had to get it)
can someone post a tracklisting for this? is thrill jockey releasing it in the US? i find the title highly amusing given that 99% of their stuff is instrumental anyway... -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-10-17 21:43Eric Frans} The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry } I can think
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} The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry } I can think of off the top of my head. Everything from killing DAT as a } consumer format, to the buffalo-bagel SCMS, to the various proposals of } "watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a } sharp "inaudible" notch filter to e_mod's Liquid Audio format). So with this notch filter idea, they would completely eliminate a small bandwidth of frequency from the recording? Any URLs for more info. on this? Thanks. | E r i c | [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu | | F r a n s | [web] http://engr.arizona.edu/~franse | "The comfort you demanded is now mandatory!" - Jello Biafra
1997-10-20 20:19Random JunkEric Frans writes: > } "watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea
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quoted 6 lines } "watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a> } "watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a > } sharp "inaudible" notch filter to e_mod's Liquid Audio format). > > So with this notch filter idea, they would completely eliminate a > small bandwidth of frequency from the recording? Any URLs for more info. > on this? Thanks.
don't worry, it died the death it so rightfully deserved. this was a long time ago (maybe circa 1990?). i remember ads in the music rags against this which showed a piano with a bunch of keys missing. i even joined a mailing list for an organization that was dedicated to stopping this abomination before it started. the SCMS (serial copy management scam, er, scheme) code was instituted instead but most pro-DATs either let you switch it off or just ignore it entirely. and it only affects 44.1 transfers. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-10-22 04:01SWEET VERNALWho's going to the STEREOLAB/MOUSE ON MARS show at the Metro here in Chicago? Wake up Chic
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Who's going to the STEREOLAB/MOUSE ON MARS show at the Metro here in Chicago? Wake up Chicagoland IDMers' I wanna' here from ya'! NP DATASPHERE - Warm Bass in A Cold Room _____________________________________ ---------------------------------------------~ Curt King cking@xsite.net {{{{ Studio Zro }}}} Chicago,USA........ Earth _____________________________________ ----------------------------------------------~ "Taste is the enemy of art"
1997-11-25 18:55jimg/skoopLast night I went to see stereolab thanks to a friend of mine who had an extra ticket. A b
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Last night I went to see stereolab thanks to a friend of mine who had an extra ticket. A band called Plush opened, along with MoM. MoM were excellent...I've been waiting to see live electronic music like that for a number of years now, and I feel much better. I would encourage anyone who has the chance to see them to do so. Ah, main pieces of gear spotted were TB-303, TB-606, Jomox Xbase 09, Maestro Lovetone, Mackie 1202VLZ, and sundry effects. They did 4 tracks...first two were wacky experimental-y techno, last two were d'n'b, almost jungly stuff. Very very cool overall. I feel much better now. -jimg --skoop@slackers.net --http://www.slackers.net/~skoop
1998-02-12 04:23Brad TribucherCan anyone tell me if there is anything else out ther by "Mouse on Mars"? I just picked up
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Can anyone tell me if there is anything else out ther by "Mouse on Mars"? I just picked up "AudioTacker" on thrill jockey and loved it. Sorry if this is a "he should've known" question.
1998-02-12 05:42clBrad Tribucher wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is anything else out ther by "Mouse on
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quoted 5 lines Can anyone tell me if there is anything else out ther by "Mouse on> Can anyone tell me if there is anything else out ther by "Mouse on > Mars"? I > just picked up "AudioTacker" on thrill jockey and loved it. Sorry if > this is > a "he should've known" question.
certainly not, as they have many different monickers and a penchant for producing lots of material. here is an incomplete listing that i know of- full lengths- audiotacker (thrill jockey) instrumentals (lp only on sonig) iaora tahiti (too pure) vulvaland (too pure) singles- twift (too pure) cache couer naif (with the stereolab girls- thrill jockey) bib (too pure) saturday night world cup fever (never seen this one, i think its a 7') jan werner is also a member/producer of microstoria, oval, (and l@n?). i think the second release on sonig is also by jan werner. they produced half of the new stereolab album, dots and loops, as well as many other german releases, and have tons of remixes and exlusives. i would be interested as well if someone could post a complete disc. cl
1998-02-12 18:26Andregurov@aol.comMouse on Mars also has the Frosch EP, which I believe was their first on Too Pure. They al
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Mouse on Mars also has the Frosch EP, which I believe was their first on Too Pure. They also pop up on a lot of compilations (TEEX 3, some on Mille Plateaux I believe). James (desperately seeking a copy of Vulvaland since his broke)
1998-03-06 21:22clAdrian P. Cuenca wrote: > I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals f
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quoted 5 lines I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from> I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from > Stereolab's Laetitia Sadler. Can anyone tell from what album that track > appears on? I visited the toopure website already. > > Adrian
this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on the cd, 3 on the 7' i think. cl
1998-03-07 02:51Arjun Mendiratta> > this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on > the cd, 3
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quoted 5 lines this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on> > this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on > the cd, 3 on the 7' i think. > cl >
in fact, it's four tracks each on both the CD and the 12". No 7" was released. -arjun
1998-03-06 21:23Adrian P. CuencaI finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from Stereolab's Laetitia S
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I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from Stereolab's Laetitia Sadler. Can anyone tell from what album that track appears on? I visited the toopure website already. Adrian
1998-03-07 13:03Irene McCOn 7 Mar 98, Adrian P. Cuenca wrote: (idm) Mouse on Mars: > I finally heard a track from M
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On 7 Mar 98, Adrian P. Cuenca wrote: (idm) Mouse on Mars:
quoted 3 lines I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from> I finally heard a track from Mouse on Mars, it featured vocals from > Stereolab's Laetitia Sadler. Can anyone tell from what album that > track
Audiotacker : Schnick Schnack (also appeared on the Cache Coer Naif EP) Also on the Wow & Flutter Too Pure / City Slang compilation. I *
1998-03-07 04:58clArjun Mendiratta wrote: > > > > this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u
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Arjun Mendiratta wrote:
quoted 10 lines this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on> > > > this is on cache coure naif. its on thrill jockey on the u.s. 4 tracks on > > the cd, 3 on the 7' i think. > > cl > > > > in fact, it's four tracks each on both the CD and the 12". No 7" was > released. > > -arjun
well thats odd because the 7' is right in front of me (pure 65s). ordered from parasol music in champaign, IL. and there are 3 songs on it. cl
1998-03-07 05:16mult santaspeaking of MoM, i picked up Insturmentals today (a bit late, i know), as well as sonig 2:
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speaking of MoM, i picked up Insturmentals today (a bit late, i know), as well as sonig 2:lithops: uniumit. both are, of course, highly reccomended. anyway, i saw this from a bit back::
quoted 3 lines With 'instrumentals' you get 'mouse on mars kata 1' which is a folded>With 'instrumentals' you get 'mouse on mars kata 1' which is a folded >piece of A4 which has a mouse on mars discography (looks quite >complete).
why didn't i get this?? it's the Thrill Jockey version, is that why? all i get is a little thrill jockey catalog i was kinda looking forward to this ;-( anyway, has anyone gone through the motions of transcribing this (or will anyone be willing to?).. perhaps you can send it the way of the list. or if anyone want's to trade the actual kata1-thingy, get in contact.. thanks mlt. [np: ryuichi sakamoto: "prayer" (sony)... off to beddybye...] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1998-12-07 17:51Sean McGonagleAll this talk about MoM has lead me to jump into the conversation here . . . I have Autodi
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All this talk about MoM has lead me to jump into the conversation here . . . I have Autoditacker and I. Tahiti . . .so i can only speak for those two. But I prefer Autoditacker much more over I. T., i feel as though there's much more going on without it being too busy or overindulgent. I feel as though Autod. covers more ground sonically, but at the same time, it's not quite as "in your face" as I. T. I.T. is a great release, most definitely, but the sounds seem to be underdeveloped and pasted in -- whereas the sounds in Autod. seem to be twisted n turned n pulled into quirky little grooves . . . "X-flies" is probably my favorite track . . . most mellow i think. Another reason i prefer Autod. over I. T. . . . Autod. seems to have less harsh melodies, more bubbly electronics. So those are my few cents . . I haven't heard anything released after Autod., but would love to get ahold of Instrumentals on CD if ever possible . . Also love the MoM support for Stereolab's Dots n Loops. Take care all . . . sean. np: Windy + Carl : The Drawing of Sound
1998-12-08 03:03DzrtMusic@aol.comYou really think that autoditaker "covers more sound"? Are you sure that you are not only
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You really think that autoditaker "covers more sound"? Are you sure that you are not only saying this because autoditaker is more percussion and less melody? If you listen closely you'll find that Iaora Tahiti covers quite a bit of creative sound tweaking, and it's used quite well. I believe that both CD's are great works, but they are very different. Autoditaker is more about percussion, Iaora Tahiti is a totally about melody. Mabey you like Autoditaker more because you have a preference to percussion/electronic tweaks and clicks over melody? -allen
quoted 6 lines All this talk about MoM has lead me to jump into the conversation here . . .> All this talk about MoM has lead me to jump into the conversation here . . . > I have Autoditacker and I. Tahiti . . .so i can only speak for those two. > But I prefer Autoditacker much more over I. T., i feel as though there's > much more going on without it being too busy or overindulgent. > > I feel as though Autod. covers more ground sonically, but at the same
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quoted 18 lines it's not quite as "in your face" as I. T. I.T. is a great release, most> it's not quite as "in your face" as I. T. I.T. is a great release, most > definitely, but the sounds seem to be underdeveloped and pasted in -- > whereas the sounds in Autod. seem to be twisted n turned n pulled into > quirky little grooves . . . > > "X-flies" is probably my favorite track . . . most mellow i think. Another > reason i prefer Autod. over I. T. . . . Autod. seems to have less harsh > melodies, more bubbly electronics. > > So those are my few cents . . I haven't heard anything released after > Autod., but would love to get ahold of Instrumentals on CD if ever possible > . . > > Also love the MoM support for Stereolab's Dots n Loops. > > Take care all . . . > > sean.
1998-12-08 17:29Sean McGonagleDzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: You really think that autoditaker "covers more sound"? Are you su
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DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: You really think that autoditaker "covers more sound"? Are you sure that you are not only saying this because autoditaker is more percussion and less melody? If you listen closely you'll find that Iaora Tahiti covers quite a bit of creative sound tweaking, and it's used quite well. I believe that both CD's are great works, but they are very different. Autoditaker is more about percussion, Iaora Tahiti is a totally about melody. Mabey you like Autoditaker more because you have a preference to percussion/electronic tweaks and clicks over melody? --------- I understand your point. However, I feel that the textures of the sounds on Iaora Tahiti are rougher and less defined (not to be assumed as a negative quality though). The sounds seem to be more subtle and less overpowering on Autoditacker ... But it's quite possible that it's due to more tweaking and more emphasis on quirky percussion. I just never thought of it that way. I enjoy both releases with their unique melodic grooves, but Autoditacker would be my desert island disc. sean. np: Jesus & Mary Chain :: Psychocandy
1999-01-13 05:12Rgeary2@aol.comhey all, mouse on mars have come up numerous times as of late, and after picking up some o
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hey all, mouse on mars have come up numerous times as of late, and after picking up some older stereolab and being disappointed, I realized the sound I was looking for from "dots and loops" was more due to mouse on mar's input. So I nabbed "vulvaland" (love that swingin' 70's cover) and i really dig it. especially "uah." wow. such a great, fun change from the techie/clinical stuff I've been hearing lately. so what should I track down next? can anyone point me to a discography, or more importantly, give a personal pointer? thanks for your time rob
1999-01-25 09:43ibss@ukrpack.netAre later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker?
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1999-01-25 14:41ibss@ukrpack.net> > Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker? > > > > theyv only released
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quoted 8 lines Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker?> > Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker? > > > > theyv only released glam since then and its more like the older > albums, vulva, iora tahiti and frosch than autoditacker, good stuff all > the same..... _will > >
Telling frankly I have only audiotacker (crazy about it) and would like to know if I should buy their other stuff.
1999-01-25 21:47j.a./s.n.>Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker? as a rule, MoM have become incr
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quoted 1 line Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker?>Are later Mouse one Mars releases similar to Audiotacker?
as a rule, MoM have become increasingly "experimental". more glitches, scratchy stuff, atonality, textures, ambient guitar sourced mellow drones etc. they've also tended to slip in one or two thinly veiled d&b tracks on all the newer releases. the only releases after "autoditacker" are "instrumentals" and "glam" - both were limited pressings (that got repressed), but they're still around in some shops. they're noticably more "experimental", but this could be attributed to the persona of the label (they're both on sonig - MoM's label) rather than a change in their style. the "lithops" (jan from MoM) stuff tends to be even more "experimental". anyways, pre-autoditacker releases are more accessible and "ambient technoish" (especially vulvaland and frosch). in many ways i'd say "yes" in answer to your question because that's where the trajectory was headed, but i think autoditacker is truly half-way between their older and newer stuff. if you want a cleaner poppier sound that's a bit more danceable, go for the old stuff; if you like the ambient lo-fi sound, go for the newer stuff. i would add that while it is "experimental" and "lo-fi", the newer stuff is not without melody. in fact, i'm listening to glam at this very moment - there's a couple tracks on here that rock old MoM style. personally, i recommend the newer, but hey - get it all! jon
2000-01-19 14:11Brad SheltonSorry about the formatting of my previous attempt. Hopefully that's fixed now- Mouse on Ma
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Sorry about the formatting of my previous attempt. Hopefully that's fixed now- Mouse on Mars - 'Niun Niggung' This is easily my favorite Mouse on Mars album and the best CD reviewed in this email. Early favorites are 'mykologics' and 'dispotek' but this is one of those releases where over time different tracks will become 'favorites', as they all have plenty to offer. There's alot to be said for cohesion in an album, but 'Autoditacker' was just too samey for me. So while I really enjoyed parts of it, it had a very short shelf life for me. Plus, it fell victim to the 'I now identify this music with an unhappy time in life so can't enjoy it' syndrome. 'Niun Niggung' has desirable cohesion without being repetitious. There is definitely a particular 'sound' that characterizes this release, but the various tracks still are different enough from one another to be very interesting. I'm not gonna spoil what that certain 'sound' is, because I found it enjoyably surprising on first listen and I think others will too. I will reveal however my opinion that 'albion rose' is a track that is significantly more musical and moving than 99% of all known idm. Solvent - 'Solvently One Listens' I like this record a good bit, but I was expecting more from the hype on the IDM list. 'leaches' does stand out as funky. In my opinion there are some interesting sounds, but a key component is missing in many cases.. the melodies. I'd enjoy this album more if it had Depeche Mode or New Order style vocals to go with the rhythm tracks. Either that or more pronounced synth melodies ala the undisputed retro romanticism master, Bochum Welt. That said it is sadly ironic that track 1 (the title track) sounds like a less accomplished rendition of 'Feelings on a Screen' when the melody comes in at 0:25. Tied + Tickled Trio I've been disappointed almost every time in the past by records claiming to combine jazz and electronic/experimental production. I'm not referring to acid-jazz or 'jazzy' sample-based music.. Greyboy, Amon Tobin and that sort are favorites of mine. Rather I'm talking about supposedly 'jazzy' and post-rock acts like Rome, MM&W, Tortoise, etc. It's not that the records were very bad, it's just that I really like authentic jazz, and really like electronic music, and want to hear a really good combination of them. Tied + Tickled Trio is the first one I've heard that does it in a way that is interesting and musical. Track one is electronic, but something about it sounds a bit more developed than usual, I'm thinking it's the fact that the melody, while played on a synth, consists of something other than a looped figure. Track two, 'mutant', literally superimposes tasteful, midtempo (and real) upright bass, (actual) acoustic piano, and an autechre-like distorted high-hat. Nothing fancy, just a white-noise timekeeper. Then the electronic percussion recedes and a jazz alto sax appears. Not a jazzy sax sample, not a session acid-jazz player, not a post-rocker with a harmonia, but a bona fide sax player. With a horn, a well placed mic, a musical vocabulary, the works. Another high point is 'nordlied', which like 'mutant' combines actual jazz bass and sax with some subtle electronic percussion to form a really nice little number. It definitely doesn't sound like a Nord demo track. The rest of the record is split evenly between darkish electronic atmospheres and the jazz/electronics combination described above. The result goes down smooth and is a great length at 35 minutes. Various Artists - 8, 8.5, 9 - Remixes I'm a big fan of Chain Reaction and its associated labels, so I'm always game for CR related material. This CD release also boasts some great remixers: Arovane, Funkstörung, Ae, Pole, Monolake. 'no. 8' is fine, and a fun time with or without headphones. 'no. 9' is a little less involved. I have to admit, if I cranked up AudioMulch and this is what came out (not a stretch), I would not feel compelled to record 12 minutes worth for posterity. Arovane take 'no. 8' and replace the four-off-the-floor feel with a more direct, essentially rock-like boom-chick--boom-chick beat. The result is a nice mobile variation of the Chain Reaction sound. Funkstörung make something pretty cool out of 'no. 9', but it doesn't sound very musical to me. The ae2 mix of 'no. 8' is an Autechre track. It is possible that they used 'no. 8' as the raw material for their sounds, but you can't tell by listening. I like the original better, and I like lp5 and ep7 better. So.. Pole turns in a great remix. The original 'no. 9' is there, but underneath Pole's shifting layers of fuzz, pop, and dubstyle flanged echoes and quiet bass. Monolake turn in an atmospheric piece based on '8.5'. Washes of sound give way to a rhythmic experiment. The building repeated single note motif reminds me of the music from The Terminator. A good track, but Monolake are another favorite of mine. I wanted more from this. Cheers - Brad S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-19 20:15john healyas if you didn't know : MOUSE ON MARS PEEL SESSION TONIGHT :) john somatics@freeuk.com www
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as if you didn't know : MOUSE ON MARS PEEL SESSION TONIGHT :) john somatics@freeuk.com www.c8.com/somatics --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-01-19 21:24William VanLooSo then - who'll be DAT'ing or MiniDisc'ing this for me in return for a lovely trade (writ
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So then - who'll be DAT'ing or MiniDisc'ing this for me in return for a lovely trade (write for further info)? I'm interested in a CD-R of this, not MP3s (though I'll take 'em if that's all that becomes available). Cheers, Bill john healy wrote:
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2000-01-19 22:15john healyshit i was going to DAT this but my reception is very poor !!!!!! john ----- Original Mess
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shit i was going to DAT this but my reception is very poor !!!!!! john ----- Original Message ----- From: William VanLoo <wdvanloo@sigma6.com> To: john healy <somatics@freeuk.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: Re: (idm) Mouse on Mars
quoted 29 lines So then - who'll be DAT'ing or MiniDisc'ing this for me in return for> So then - who'll be DAT'ing or MiniDisc'ing this for me in return for > a lovely trade (write for further info)? I'm interested in a CD-R of > this, not MP3s (though I'll take 'em if that's all that becomes > available). > > Cheers, > > Bill > > john healy wrote: > > > > as if you didn't know : > > > > MOUSE ON MARS PEEL SESSION TONIGHT :) > > > > john > > somatics@freeuk.com > > www.c8.com/somatics > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > -- > AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com > > http://www.chromedecay.org > >
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