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1997-10-22 03:25chrisTiaN.a.h.Who came up with this magical notion that "come to daddy" was some sort of "poke" at The P

From:: chrisTiaN.a.h. <godpup@ix.netcom.com>
To:: <idm-digest@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:25:10 -0400
Subject:: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

Who came up with this magical notion that "come to daddy" was some sort of "poke" at The Prodigy?? is it just because there's actual continuous "singing" (hyper-distorted of course..) with faux guitar??? Seems there's a bit more effort, program and production wise, put into this song to simply dismiss it as a "joke." and to produce a video to go along with it does require some sort of budget. wouldn't it be EXTREMELY unwise to invest this much time and money in something that isn't supposed to be taken seriously? considering the fact that r. james does own and run a business, why would he "waste" rephlex's money simply to make fun of another group?? (considering the fact that he seems to bust his ass "managing" rephlex records...) what would be the point anyway?? yeah, he portrays an image of being, um, a bit "loopy," but never acted as if he had to "prove" anything. (as in, why should he really care what The Prodigy is doing??? or anyone else for that matter...) Did he personally tell an almighty super-elite IDM subscriber that this was his "plan??" i really fucking doubt it. It's a damn catchy song, with above average drum programming (the drums and sorts during the "break" in the song are quite impressive..), one of the most realistic guitar patches i've ever heard, and lyrics that might be repetitive, but don't contain any "self-mockings" about his own voice, samples of his mom/mum, or incredible nonsense. so if this is the Intelligent Dance Music list, where's the intelligence? do you have to take a test or something?? (my I.Q. is about 118. is that high enough to post?) Could change the name to ADM (arrogant dance music) for those who love to rip into "newbies" or anyone who doesn't own three turntables and a "i'm a D.J, worship me." bumper sticker... Come to Daddy ("Baby, Come to Daddy." - Nitzer Ebb), chrisTiaN -- " In the future people will think it strange that we only ever used the phone to talk to one another. SUPER. Work Together. "

1997-10-22 04:02Aran M. ParilloOn Tue, 21 Oct 1997, chrisTiaN.a.h. wrote: <...> > Intelligent Dance Music list, where's t

From:: Aran M. Parillo <aran@hyperreal.org>
To:: chrisTiaN.a.h. <godpup@ix.netcom.com>
Cc:: <idm-digest@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:02:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, chrisTiaN.a.h. wrote: <...>

quoted 5 lines Intelligent Dance Music list, where's the intelligence? do you have to

> Intelligent Dance Music list, where's the intelligence? do you have to > take a test or something?? (my I.Q. is about 118. is that high enough > to post?) Could change the name to ADM (arrogant dance music) for those > who love to rip into "newbies" or anyone who doesn't own three > turntables and a "i'm a D.J, worship me." bumper sticker...

To extract some seriousness from your hyperventilation, I'm seriously considering including some theory of multiple intelligence into the eventual re-write of the IDM list primer. Although I obviously don't have all the facets of such a metaphor defined, (yet) my ideas are smoothe enough to allay any fear of conventional wisdom (ie. aint no one gonna quantify my I.Q.) creeping out from under an idological fossilized rock. If you feel subjected to unfair treatment due to some listmembers reaction to receiving idm-digest posts "outside" of their usual deliveries, I apologize. You were in fact, the helpful catalyst to our figuring out we had not properly set up majordomo's errant post redirecting alias on the new machines email software. Sincerely, Aran np: andrea parker - melodious thunk >> who know's the scoop on any new joints from a.p.? or david morley for that matter!

1997-10-22 06:18Aaron S MichelsonExcerpts from mail: 21-Oct-97 (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by "chrisTiaN.a.h."@ix.netc > alon

From:: Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To:: <idm-digest@hyperreal.org>, <godpup@ix.netcom.com>
Date:: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:18:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

Excerpts from mail: 21-Oct-97 (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by "chrisTiaN.a.h."@ix.netc

quoted 7 lines along with it does require some sort of budget. wouldn't it be

> along with it does require some sort of budget. wouldn't it be > EXTREMELY unwise to invest this much time and money in something that > isn't supposed to be taken seriously? considering the fact that r. > james does own and run a business, why would he "waste" rephlex's money > simply to make fun of another group?? (considering the fact that he > seems to bust his ass "managing" rephlex records...) what would be the > point anyway?? yeah, he portrays an image of being, um, a bit "loopy,"

Err.... first of all, this is Warp's money (Aphex Twin's material is property of Warp, and they do all the goo for him). I admire him (or is it Grant?) busting his/their ass(es) over Rephlex. Good for them.... there's some fabulous material put out on the label (need I remind you once again of last summer's fabulous new vulva album). But frankly, I've pretty much seen every single thing Aphex puts out as a pisstake. Even his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake.... (1985? Little Richard was a sly 11-12 years old?) What I mean to say is, I've always found Richard's work to have a real gritty childish sense of humour about it. From those hair-raising stonky acid tracks to his first squiggles of blurpy jungle.... I've always felt he was mocking the genre somehow. Like taking drum'n bass, and beating it with a big stick. He's got complete control over his releases, and he can put out whatever he wants. He wanted to do a silly prodigy-esqe (for lack of a better description) track, so he did. No one is denying that he's talented... and puts a lot of work into his tracks. But it's crazy to deny Richard of being playful with the music industry's latest genres.

quoted 5 lines Intelligent Dance Music list, where's the intelligence? do you have to

Oh, sod off. Aaron np: up bustle & out "light 'em up, blow 'em out" (ninjatune)

1997-10-22 04:02clchrisTiaN.a.h. wrote: > Who came up with this magical notion that "come to daddy" was some

From:: cl <clietz@enteract.com>
To:: <godpup@ix.netcom.com>
Cc:: <idm-digest@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:02:09 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

chrisTiaN.a.h. wrote:

quoted 5 lines Who came up with this magical notion that "come to daddy" was some

> Who came up with this magical notion that "come to daddy" was some > sort > of "poke" at The Prodigy?? is it just because there's actual > continuous > "singing" (hyper-distorted of course..) with faux guitar???

yes, you just made your own point.

quoted 9 lines Seems

> Seems > there's a bit more effort, program and production wise, put into this > song to simply dismiss it as a "joke." and to produce a video to go > along with it does require some sort of budget. wouldn't it be > EXTREMELY unwise to invest this much time and money in something that > isn't supposed to be taken seriously? considering the fact that r. > james does own and run a business, why would he "waste" rephlex's > money > simply to make fun of another group??

in this case, he is wasting warp's money. in addition, this isnt the first time that he has taken time/money to make something that isnt serious. almost every release of his has at least one song that is silly to the point of;a. annoyance b. laughter c. combination of the above. see girl/boy ep, hab 1 (mashed potatoes)

quoted 1 line samples of his mom/mum, or incredible nonsense.

> samples of his mom/mum, or incredible nonsense.

it may not be nonsense, but it doesnt make sense either.

quoted 9 lines so if this is the

> so if this is the > Intelligent Dance Music list, where's the intelligence? do you have > to > take a test or something?? (my I.Q. is about 118. is that high enough > > to post?) Could change the name to ADM (arrogant dance music) for > those > who love to rip into "newbies" or anyone who doesn't own three > turntables and a "i'm a D.J, worship me." bumper sticker...

intelligent dance MUSIC, not "intelligent people who listen to dance music." this list, like any other, has some smart folks, and some who arent. cl

1997-10-23 18:28GamePrg.On Wednesday, 22-Oct-97, cl wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]: >chrisTiaN.a.h. w

From:: GamePrg. <buh@clark.net>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:28:35 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

On Wednesday, 22-Oct-97, cl wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]:

quoted 1 line chrisTiaN.a.h. wrote:

>chrisTiaN.a.h. wrote:

quoted 9 lines Seems

>> Seems >> there's a bit more effort, program and production wise, put into this >> song to simply dismiss it as a "joke." and to produce a video to go >> along with it does require some sort of budget. wouldn't it be >> EXTREMELY unwise to invest this much time and money in something that >> isn't supposed to be taken seriously? considering the fact that r. >> james does own and run a business, why would he "waste" rephlex's >> money >> simply to make fun of another group??

quoted 7 lines in this case, he is wasting warp's money. in addition, this isnt the

>in this case, he is wasting warp's money. in addition, this isnt the >first time that he has taken time/money to make something that isnt >serious. almost every release of his has at least one song that is >silly to the point of;a. annoyance >b. laughter >c. combination of the above. >see girl/boy ep, hab 1 (mashed potatoes)

I'm sorry, but I agree with Christian here.. I was rather annoyed when I heard the actual track and it was nothing like the ppl on this list were saying. Furhermore, I no longer take the opinions of this list seriously anymore or even consider them until I've heard the track in question. I would say that some people on this list are the piss-takers and not necassarily RDJ. It is highly possible he could be making fun of the Prodigy, but who gives a fuck? I mean.. I am damn sure that all of the ppl on this list bitching about it didn't hear it from Richard personally so give it up. and Milkman is not annoying, and backing up Christian's point of Richard wasting Warp's money, well.. Milkman doesn't have a video attached to it now does it? and about Children Talking I think that's a good track and don't think it's a "pisstake," a word which some of you can't seem to say enough times.

quoted 1 line it may not be nonsense, but it doesnt make sense either.

>it may not be nonsense, but it doesnt make sense either.

watch the video. it's fucking scary shit.. and it makes absolute perfect sense. What I get out of it is that it's Satan or something stealing people's souls, and come to daddy is what the entity says to the people I guess. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

1997-10-22 21:57Bob WeisendSomeone wrote: > pretty much seen every single thing Aphex puts out as a pisstake. Even >

From:: Bob Weisend <rweisend@phoenix.csc.calpoly.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

Someone wrote:

quoted 2 lines pretty much seen every single thing Aphex puts out as a pisstake. Even

> pretty much seen every single thing Aphex puts out as a pisstake. Even > his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake....

BLASPHEMY! You mean you don't choke up when you listen to Xtal? I think 90% of RDJ's output today is garbage (Alberto Balsam excluded), but that album was magnif. | Bob Weisend | | MIME type: human/bw-groovechild | | rweisend@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu | | http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~rweisend |

1997-10-22 22:01papillioni was wondering if anyone out there knew of any events happening on halloween in nyc... i'

From:: papillion <buttrfly@UDel.Edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:01:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: (idm) ny on halloween...
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

i was wondering if anyone out there knew of any events happening on halloween in nyc... i'll be up there all day and had planned on staying up there if there were some interesting shows going on. thanks. jen. * * * ...papillion means "butterfly" in french.

1997-10-22 23:24Aaron S MichelsonExcerpts from mail: 22-Oct-97 Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by Bob Weisend@phoenix.csc. >

From:: Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, Bob Weisend <rweisend@phoenix.csc.calpoly.edu>
Date:: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:24:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
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Excerpts from mail: 22-Oct-97 Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by Bob Weisend@phoenix.csc.

quoted 3 lines BLASPHEMY! You mean you don't choke up when you listen to Xtal? I think

> BLASPHEMY! You mean you don't choke up when you listen to Xtal? I think > 90% of RDJ's output today is garbage (Alberto Balsam excluded), but that > album was magnif.

I do, I do! But I can't deny that a certain juvenile theme runs through the entire disc. Not once have I accused RDJ of being a less than brilliant composer....he's just a talented goofy kid making fun music that just happens to sound damn good. I never really thought of him being innovative.... just really good at what he does. Aaron np: kumo (airbag) What, again? I've been listening to this nonstop!

1997-10-23 09:18Brett McCormickThis album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up used for a whopping

From:: Brett McCormick <brett@speedy.speakeasy.org>
To:: Bob Weisend <rweisend@phoenix.csc.calpoly.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:18:25 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up used for a whopping (!!) $27? On Wed, 22 October 1997, at 14:57:06, Bob Weisend wrote:

quoted 7 lines Someone wrote:

> Someone wrote: > > pretty much seen every single thing Aphex puts out as a pisstake. Even > > his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake.... > > BLASPHEMY! You mean you don't choke up when you listen to Xtal? I think > 90% of RDJ's output today is garbage (Alberto Balsam excluded), but that > album was magnif.

1997-10-23 16:48Chris.Hilker>> > his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake.... >This album is

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@hyperreal.org>
To:: Ironic Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:48:55 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

quoted 1 line his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake....

>> > his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake....

quoted 2 lines This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up

>This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up >used for a whopping (!!) $27?

You can buy it at US Tower stores for $12.99. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "Sex is the darndest nougat murder, something something e-mail something something la la la la beable beable trousers and dingaling nougat..."

1997-10-24 02:10Brett McCormickI suppose it isn't the import, eh? No matter, I don't give a rat about those things. I lik

From:: Brett McCormick <brett@speedy.speakeasy.org>
To:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@hyperreal.org>
Cc:: Ironic Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:10:49 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
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I suppose it isn't the import, eh? No matter, I don't give a rat about those things. I like the music for the sound waves that reach my ears (and subsequently my brain), not how many peices of wax someone decided to make or where. But then I'm just jealous. --brett On Thu, 23 October 1997, at 09:48:55, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 14 lines his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake....

> >> > his very first album, Selected Ambient Works 85-92 was a pisstake.... > > >This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up > >used for a whopping (!!) $27? > > You can buy it at US Tower stores for $12.99. > > C. > > -- > Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) > "Sex is the darndest nougat murder, something something e-mail something > something la la la la beable beable trousers and dingaling nougat..." >

1997-10-25 20:37GamePrg.On Thursday, 23-Oct-97, Brett McCormick wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]: >This

From:: GamePrg. <buh@clark.net>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:37:26 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

On Thursday, 23-Oct-97, Brett McCormick wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]:

quoted 2 lines This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up

>This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up >used for a whopping (!!) $27?

depends on whether it was vinyl or cd.. anyhow, i've got a copy of this cd for sale.. $14. -- .auddplte <-- __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

1997-10-23 09:56jeffrey> > > >This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up > >used for a

From:: jeffrey <jeffrey@formstudio.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:56:11 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

quoted 8 lines This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up

> > > >This album is still available, is it not? Was it unwise to pass it up > >used for a whopping (!!) $27? > > You can buy it at US Tower stores for $12.99. > >

i have SAM and others available ft/fs ....http://www.formstudio.com/thesesubjects/list.html go there now. ................ jeffrey

1997-10-24 00:01cl> would say that some people on this list are the piss-takers and not > necassarily RDJ. o

From:: cl <clietz@enteract.com>
To:: <buh@clark.net>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:01:10 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

quoted 2 lines would say that some people on this list are the piss-takers and not

> would say that some people on this list are the piss-takers and not > necassarily RDJ.

one man's pisstake is another man's symphony...

quoted 9 lines and Milkman is not annoying, and backing up Christian's point of

> and Milkman is not annoying, and backing up Christian's point of > Richard > wasting Warp's money, well.. Milkman doesn't have a video attached to > it now > does it? and about Children Talking I think that's a good track and > don't > think it's a "pisstake," a word which some of you can't seem to say > enough > times.

as you mentioned previously in your statement, "i no longer take the opinions of this list seriously...", why should i take you seriously if i think milkman is annoying? i can make up my own mind. in addition, a song can be a waste of money on its own, a video is not a necessity, although it certainly adds to the financial impact. and thirdly, i did not use the word pisstake , nor do i plan on using it anytime soon.

quoted 8 lines it may not be nonsense, but it doesnt make sense either.

> >it may not be nonsense, but it doesnt make sense either. > > watch the video. it's fucking scary shit.. and it makes absolute > perfect > sense. What I get out of it is that it's Satan or something stealing > people's souls, and come to daddy is what the entity says to the > people I > guess.

if it made perfect sense, you would not have to guess about it. i am pretty sure there is not a concensus on this list either as to what it stands for, if anything. i would like to think that i could share my opinion, flawed as they may be, without getting ripped with generalizations about the entire list. cl

1997-10-25 20:47GamePrg.On Friday, 24-Oct-97, cl wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]: >one man's pisstake

From:: GamePrg. <buh@clark.net>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:47:05 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts
Reply to:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

On Friday, 24-Oct-97, cl wrote [about Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts]:

quoted 1 line one man's pisstake is another man's symphony...

>one man's pisstake is another man's symphony...

huh? if richard meant it as a pisstake it's a pisstake, if not then it's not.

quoted 2 lines opinions of this list seriously...", why should i take you seriously if

>opinions of this list seriously...", why should i take you seriously if >i think milkman is annoying? i can make up my own mind. in addition, a

I was just referring to the bashing of the track because quote, it's a prodigy pisstake, and frankly everytime there's a flame of the sort on the list, somehow it's not entirely accurate. this time it was a bit too much.

quoted 3 lines song can be a waste of money on its own, a video is not a necessity,

>song can be a waste of money on its own, a video is not a necessity, >although it certainly adds to the financial impact. and thirdly, i did >not use the word pisstake , nor do i plan on using it anytime soon.

hm. I was responding to the person who said everything RDJ does is a pisstake. maybe I got it confused, but it is still a word that is used entirely too much on here. the pisstakers are the ones bitching and taking a piss at come to daddy because it's simply a poke at the prodigy.

quoted 1 line if it made perfect sense, you would not have to guess about it. i am

>if it made perfect sense, you would not have to guess about it. i am

well.. if things were so clearly pointed out then it would be stupid and unintelligent. go check out some poetry or some difficult plays. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

1997-10-24 11:51robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr> Excerpts from mail: 22-Oct-97 Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by Bob > Weisend@phoenix.csc

From:: <robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:51:12 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts

quoted 3 lines Excerpts from mail: 22-Oct-97 Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by Bob

> Excerpts from mail: 22-Oct-97 Re: (idm) More Daddy Thoughts by Bob > Weisend@phoenix.csc. > > BLASPHEMY! You mean you don't choke up when you listen to Xtal? I

think

quoted 1 line 90% of RDJ's output today is garbage (Alberto Balsam excluded), but

> > 90% of RDJ's output today is garbage (Alberto Balsam excluded), but

that

quoted 7 lines album was magnif.

> > album was magnif. > > I do, I do! But I can't deny that a certain juvenile theme runs through > the entire disc. Not once have I accused RDJ of being a less than > brilliant composer....he's just a talented goofy kid making fun music > that just happens to sound damn good. I never really thought of him > being innovative.... just really good at what he does.

WHO IS INNOVATIVE ? respect Rob