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quoted 16 lines it's called Matt using sarcasm to prove a point. Coldcut have always

>> >>it's called Matt using sarcasm to prove a point. Coldcut have always >>stood by the fact that sampling shouldn't even be an issue if you are >>using your samples in an original way. There are loads of people that >>have sampled our Ninja records and we never went after them because we >> >i considered that it might be a joke and thought carefully before posting >the original message but i reread the article and it really doesn't come >across as sarcasm especially if you read the whole thing in context.but if >you know for a fact that it was sarcasm and your not just jumping to your >boss's defence regardless then i suppose we will have to put that down to >bad interview technique or sloppy journalism.i mean this is too important >to dismiss.for musicians that use sampling,it goes to the heart of what we >do. >ninja tune/coldcut can afford to buy their way out of trouble, others >aren't so fortunate.

If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how serious he is being. This opens him up to loads of quotes being taken out of context. Look no further than his 'it's not that we're so brilliant, it's that everyone else is crap' comment. I havn't actually seen the interview in question, but I can totally see Matt saying those things to point out the stupidity that is copyright infringement cases. As for us being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor charge or whatever, however if we were to get sued over the new Coldcut record we would be quite fucked. We certinatly don't have enough money to pull 10's of thousands of copies off shelfs and destroy them, not to mention all the legal fees and potential charges. We have been threatened with lawsuits before and yes, we have been sued a few times. It sucks. It's such a shitty issue. Usually the only people that will sue you are the ones that already have loads of cash and can afford to go through with it. It can be worked out so much more easily. If someone threatens to sue you and you are indeed guilty it's usually quite easy to work it out in a reasonable manner by offering some points on the royalties or publishing (just go to the source and keep the lawyers out of it...U2/Island vs. Negativland anyone?). We have actually gone on to work with people who we originally met because they were looking into the fact that we sampled them. It's the reason Coldcut got to remix James Brown.

quoted 3 lines Did you honestly think he was serious?

>> Did you honestly think he was serious? > >i believe people in the business are capable of anything.

This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes. If we were ever to do what Matt was implying it would be the end of the label. If people didn't kill us they would at least stop buying our records. We are music people first, business second. Even our lawyer is a hip-hop head.

quoted 6 lines I ment to say we will NOT be turning in any of our friends for

>>I ment to say we will NOT be turning in any of our friends for >>sampling. Mightly hypocritical if we did. > >so it's only your friends that are safe? anyone else better watch out? why >don't you invite matt black to post personally to the list to confirm that >he would not shop anyone for using uncleared samples.

Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas Take Care Jeff

quoted 7 lines If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how

> >If you know Matt at all, some times it can be difficult to tell how >serious he is being. This opens him up to loads of quotes being taken out >of context. Look no further than his 'it's not that we're so brilliant, >it's that everyone else is crap' comment. I havn't actually seen the >interview in question, but I can totally see Matt saying those things to >point out the stupidity that is copyright infringement cases.

i can appreciate that,the mix journalist probably didn't realise the implications of what matt was saying.

quoted 13 lines being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor

>being able to buy our way out of trouble...Yes we could afford a minor >charge or whatever, however if we were to get sued over the new Coldcut >record we would be quite fucked. We certinatly don't have enough money to >pull 10's of thousands of copies off shelfs and destroy them, not to >mention all the legal fees and potential charges. We have been threatened >with lawsuits before and yes, we have been sued a few times. It sucks. >It's such a shitty issue. Usually the only people that will sue you are >the ones that already have loads of cash and can afford to go through >with it. It can be worked out so much more easily. If someone threatens >to sue you and you are indeed guilty it's usually quite easy to work it >out in a reasonable manner by offering some points on the royalties or >publishing (just go to the source and keep the lawyers out of >it...U2/Island vs. Negativland anyone?). We have actually gone on to work

i take your point on all that.unless your a major label you can't really shrug that kind of thing off. what i would like to see is something similar to what exists in book and magazine publishing and that's the idea of fair use or quotation.you credit your sources and everyones happy.it's incredible really that the concept doesn't exist in music.

quoted 4 lines This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes.

>This is true, however Ninja Tune didn't get this far by being assholes. >If we were ever to do what Matt was implying it would be the end of the >label. If people didn't kill us they would at least stop buying our >records. We are music people first, business second. Even our lawyer is a

yeah true,from what i've heard coldcut have had their share of getting shafted by the business(big life?)

quoted 2 lines Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas

> >Anyone who makes interesting music is a friend of Ninjas

sorry i should have realised that's what you meant. -drew

i know we might be thought off-topic a bit but Mark makes interesting points that are relevant to IDM'rs who uses samples and/or anyone who exchanges mixtapes,home burned CDR's etc.

quoted 5 lines The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry

>The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry >I can think of off the top of my head. Everything from killing DAT as a >consumer format, to the buffalo-bagel SCMS, to the various proposals of >"watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a >sharp "inaudible" notch filter to e_mod's Liquid Audio format).

if the music industry hadn't conspired to bury DAT as a consumer format we would be able to buy machines for under £200 and portable DAT's for under £100.the horrible short sightedness of it is that it did nothing to stem the flow of piracy anyway. and this whole idea of embedding watermarks in audio is horrible,although i think that if you were to sample such a piece of that "protected" audio and were then to treat it with effects and filters etc. the watermark would be unrecoverable...until the industry finds a way to stop you doing that.

quoted 3 lines What these people don't realize is the last time I gave someone a mix tape,he

>What these people don't realize is the last time I gave someone a mix tape,he >promptly went out to buy about 4 CDs by bands he would not otherwise have >>known.

that's it exactly.anyone with any sense who makes music doesn't mind that sort of thing,or people taping gigs.most people would rather their music was heard on a tape made by friends than not at all,and the people who buy live bootlegs already have the "legitimate" releases anyway,so no sales are lost. btw i thought that john cage quote summed it up nicely.where is it from? -drew np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i had to get it)

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quoted 2 lines np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i

> np:mouse on mars-instrumentals(john balance played it to me yesterday and i > had to get it)

can someone post a tracklisting for this? is thrill jockey releasing it in the US? i find the title highly amusing given that 99% of their stuff is instrumental anyway... -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

} The music industry has a greed of a different kind than any other industry } I can think of off the top of my head. Everything from killing DAT as a } consumer format, to the buffalo-bagel SCMS, to the various proposals of } "watermarked" audio for purposes of copy-protection (from the idea of a } sharp "inaudible" notch filter to e_mod's Liquid Audio format). So with this notch filter idea, they would completely eliminate a small bandwidth of frequency from the recording? Any URLs for more info. on this? Thanks. | E r i c | [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu | | F r a n s | [web] http://engr.arizona.edu/~franse | "The comfort you demanded is now mandatory!" - Jello Biafra