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I'm sorta surprised our resident post-industrialist aesthete (Mr. Greg Earle) hasn't already discussed this Skinny Puppy offshoot more. Download is among the most sophisticated music ever made by the Skinny Puppy crew, and the surprising thing about this record is the depth to which techno permeates many of the songs. While it is a tragedy that this had to be the last project that Dwayne Goettel took part in (with the exception of the soon-to-be released final Skinny Puppy album), it is a fitting testament, as all of the divergent tangents that SP have been exploring for the past ten years are represented on these two near-seamless releases (the full-length _Furnace_ and the very extended EP _Microscopic_). I'm going to write a more in-depth review, but I felt obligated (as another ex-industro kid who feels obligated to keep his toes in the water) to fly the flag and let everybody know that these reviews are worth taking a chance on. ozy ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

quoted 1 line I'm sorta surprised our resident post-industrialist aesthete (Mr. Greg

> I'm sorta surprised our resident post-industrialist aesthete (Mr. Greg

Gee, was I elected? *grin*

quoted 1 line Earle) hasn't already discussed this Skinny Puppy offshoot more.

> Earle) hasn't already discussed this Skinny Puppy offshoot more.

Well, lots of reasons, some of which may surprise you. The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP record have anything whatsoever to do with the canonical parameterization of "IDM" as discussed in this forum. (In fact, I was a bit surprised by our dentist friend Aaron sending a review of "The Process" to this mailing list.) I think there's a fuzzy boundary out there where what we call "IDM" turns into something else - like "Industrial" - that is best discussed elsewhere. I think that things like recent Scorn and MBM et al. skirt that boundary, and are fair game. I understand that Justin Broadrick's Techno Animal project is enlisting some well-known-to-IDMers remixers, so I'd include that too. I don't think Download and the new Puppy album fit inside that fuzzy zone, so I don't discuss it here.

quoted 3 lines Download is among the most sophisticated music ever made by the Skinny Puppy

> Download is among the most sophisticated music ever made by the Skinny Puppy > crew, and the surprising thing about this record is the depth to which > Techno permeates many of the songs.

Well, I've had one runthrough of "Furnace" and I don't really agree much. (I think that's partly the reason why DJ Philth - Capt. Stargazer to Mike Exist Dance Kandel's Commander Mindfuck - is no longer part of the crew.) About a year ago Dwayne sent me a "Download Tester" tape (none of it appears on "Furnace") and basically, it has one really great Techno track - the direction I dearly wished they'd gone in - and one or two other ones that were cool, and the rest was just a complete chaotic shambles. Peppered with coffeepot and incessant R2D2-esque blips. I hated it. While "Furnace" seems like things have progressed and are a little more coherent, it still strikes me as chaotic. At this point in my life, chaotic music just doesn't interest me much anymore. To me Download is like Metallica - you can't argue that they're really great at what they do (and sonic construction-wise, nobody can touch "Furnace" with a 10 foot pole - if you can get past the *volume* of it, you'll find an amazingly constructed sonic architecture of dense layers), but musically, it's just not my cup of tea now. ("I am Techno of Borg ... you will be assimilated ... ") The two most recent tapes I've been given by friends are "Tri Repetae" and a copy of a promo CD of Skinny Puppy's "The Process". As a measure of how far I've come, I listen to "Tri Repeatae" and I think "Now why couldn't Dwayne still be here to hear this record, or make something this amazing in their own way". Unfortunately, I listened to the Puppy album *after* Autechre, and it's just so utterly appalling in comparison that there's no way I would have ever mentioned it here. For Ogre to complain (in a sordid drag-the-muck post-mortem in the new Alternative Press) "Ogre decries the often overt use of ``techno-shit'' ... " on a record whose sole Techno element consists of a disjointed 30-second outro is pathetically absurd. Every time I listen to Sven Vath's SP tribute track (the Barbarella track on TEEX 1) or to FSOL or "Tri Repeatae", I think What Might Have Been ... The last reason, quite frankly, is because one of the greatest, most unique and creative persons to have ever walked the earth is not here anymore, and it still hasn't fully sunk in. Especially when some of the greatest moments in my life were spent raving with Dwayne Rudolph Goettel. (Among other things, he and Philth drove all the way down from Vancouver to San Francisco - a good 900-1000 miles or so - just to see Moby/Vapourspace/Orbital/Aphex.) (Apologies for the length of this ramble ... ) - Greg

ge> (Apologies for the length of this ramble ... ) No apologies at all necessary, Greg. That was a packed and moving message. gh> The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the gh> new SP record have anything whatsoever to do with the canonical gh> parameterization of "IDM" as discussed in this forum. (In fact, I was gh> a bit surprised by our dentist friend Aaron sending a review of "The gh> Process" to this mailing list.) gh> gh> I think there's a fuzzy boundary out there where what we call "IDM" gh> turns into something else - like "Industrial" - that is best discussed gh> elsewhere. I think that things like recent Scorn and MBM et al. skirt gh> that boundary, and are fair game. I understand that Justin gh> Broadrick's Techno Animal project is enlisting some gh> well-known-to-IDMers remixers, so I'd include that too. I don't think gh> Download and the new Puppy album fit inside that fuzzy zone, so I gh> don't discuss it here. gh> >> Download is among the most sophisticated music ever made by the Skinny >> Puppy crew, and the surprising thing about this record is the depth to >> which Techno permeates many of the songs. gh> gh> Well, I've had one runthrough of "Furnace" and I don't really agree much. gh> (I think that's partly the reason why DJ Philth - Capt. Stargazer to Mike gh> Exist Dance Kandel's Commander Mindfuck - is no longer part of the crew.) Hmmm... while I'll probably agree about _The Process_ (I don't have a copy yet, so can't tell you for sure), Download sounds _VERY_ techno to me (in much the same time that that Doubting Thomas was a twisted mirror held to the techno of its time). It's certainly no less related to the classically Detroit-centric techno sound than the very same Autechre album you mention (i.e. both have almost nothing to do with that sound). At this point IDM is what you make it to be, and I refuse to accept the narrow and confining definition a lot of the people on the list seem to have adopted. I have taken it as a role in my life to push people to look past where they are to where they could be, and then let them decide how far out they want to follow me. (Not that I'm styling myself as some sort of arbiter of hip, just saying that I tend towards extreme inclusiveness) It's got beats, it's got ambience, it's got artful construction, it's got the fucked-up noises (if it only DIDN'T have Genesis pottering on it would be close to perfect). The silly samples that marred Doubting Thomas are mostly gone. I can hear the Mark Spybey Philth influences (I think that I'm like maybe one of three people on the list who actually have heard the first Outersanctum CD), and I think they're what make it such powerful listening. It's also mean and high-density and not too organized, but that's been the direction they've been headed since the beginning. I think that about as close as they ever got to techno was "Assimilate" lo those many years ago, and they were steadily headed the other direction ever after. Yes, Ogre may have turned into a bit of a twit over time, but I will always believe that the larger SP collective never were destined to work in a techno form -- that just wasn't where their strengths were. They were all about messiness and fucked-up noises and darkness. Shackling them to a streamlined 4/4 might have yielded some interesting results, but it wouldn't have played to their strengths. You know that you and I have disagreed about this numerous times over the past few years (in fact, I think that's what's formed the basis of most of our conversations) but I do respect your point of view. I'm sorry that you've lost your friend, and I do agree that the music world has lost a lot with Dwayne's death. Hopefully, though, the people who are left behind will continue to evolve and make new and interesting music. It's pretty scary how many CDs I have from them in my collection. yrz, ozy ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US said (really!) :

quoted 5 lines The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP

> The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP > record have anything whatsoever to do with the canonical parameterization of > "IDM" as discussed in this forum. (In fact, I was a bit surprised by our > dentist friend Aaron sending a review of "The Process" to this mailing > list.)

Maybe I get confused sometimes with the difference between "Intelligent Dance Music" and "Electronic Listening Music." I found the new Skinny Puppy album to be very high energy electronic music (of course with the addition of often overpowering electric guitar) crammed with all the bits and bobs that make IDM readers grin. Maybe "The Process" was a bit of a stretch... but my musical tastes tend to smear distinctive categories. -------------------------------------------------------------- gas bar and dental supplies has been completely reconstructed! new items include more interviews, more reviews, and plenty of art, graphic and trash. When was the last time you visited us? -------------------------------------------------------------- ____ __,---' `--.__ ,-' ; `. "Everything you know is wrong." ,' `--.`--. ,' `._ `-. ; ; `-- ; ,-'-_ _,-~~-. ,-- `. ;; `-,; ,'~`.__ ,;;; ; ; .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. ;; ;,' ,;; `, ;;; `. ; gas bar and dental supplies `: ,' `:; __/ `.; ; ; http://www.io.org/~amichel/ ;~~^. `. `---'~~ ;; ; ; `,' `. `. .;;; ;' ,',^. `. `._ __ `:; ,' `-' `--' ~`--'~~`--. ~ ,' Aaron Michelson /;`-;_ ; ;. /. / ; ~~`-. ; amichel@io.org ; ; ; `,;`-;__;---; `----' ``-`-;__;: ; ;__; `-- `-' * Offline Orbit 0.75a *

At 1:07 AM 2/11/96, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 4 lines The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP

>The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP >record have anything whatsoever to do with the canonical parameterization of >"IDM" as discussed in this forum. (In fact, I was a bit surprised by our >dentist friend Aaron sending a review of "The Process" to this mailing list.)

i haven't heard The Process yet so i can't comment, but i have listened to Furnace by Download several dozen times and I *do* think it is (mostly) inside the fuzzy limits of idm. in fact, i've received a few emails from list members based on my recommendation of it and they all liked it... admittedly it definitely stretches the definition of "what is idm" but i think that's a good thing. last thing i want to hear is another by-the-numbers detroit tribute.

quoted 3 lines Well, I've had one runthrough of "Furnace" and I don't really agree mu

>Well, I've had one runthrough of "Furnace" and I don't really agree much. >(I think that's partly the reason why DJ Philth - Capt. Stargazer to Mike >Exist Dance Kandel's Commander Mindfuck - is no longer part of the crew.)

listen again. philth's new "off and gone" record on harthouse is pretty amazing too - some of the best stuff i've heard lately. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/

earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US said (really!) :

quoted 5 lines The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP

> The main one being that I don't feel that the Download record or the new SP > record have anything whatsoever to do with the canonical parameterization of > "IDM" as discussed in this forum. (In fact, I was a bit surprised by our > dentist friend Aaron sending a review of "The Process" to this mailing > list.)

Maybe I get confused sometimes with the difference between "Intelligent Dance Music" and "Electronic Listening Music." I found the new Skinny Puppy album to be very high energy electronic music (of course with the addition of often overpowering electric guitar) crammed with all the bits and bobs that make IDM readers grin. Maybe "The Process" was a bit of a stretch... but my musical tastes tend to smear distinctive categories. -------------------------------------------------------------- gas bar and dental supplies has been completely reconstructed! new items include more interviews, more reviews, and plenty of art, graphic and trash. When was the last time you visited us? -------------------------------------------------------------- ____ __,---' `--.__ ,-' ; `. "Everything you know is wrong." ,' `--.`--. ,' `._ `-. ; ; `-- ; ,-'-_ _,-~~-. ,-- `. ;; `-,; ,'~`.__ ,;;; ; ; .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. ;; ;,' ,;; `, ;;; `. ; gas bar and dental supplies `: ,' `:; __/ `.; ; ; http://www.io.org/~amichel/ ;~~^. `. `---'~~ ;; ; ; `,' `. `. .;;; ;' ,',^. `. `._ __ `:; ,' `-' `--' ~`--'~~`--. ~ ,' Aaron Michelson /;`-;_ ; ;. /. / ; ~~`-. ; amichel@io.org ; ; ; `,;`-;__;---; `----' ``-`-;__;: ; ;__; `-- `-' * Offline Orbit 0.75a *

quoted 2 lines picked up an advance copy of "the eyes of stanley pain", by download,

> >picked up an advance copy of "the eyes of stanley pain", by download,

today. not

quoted 1 line too bad. gotta listen to it some more before i decide if i wanna hold it or

>too bad. gotta listen to it some more before i decide if i wanna hold it or

sell

quoted 6 lines it. just thought i'd share... maybe i'll review it... i should have some time

>it. just thought i'd share... maybe i'll review it... i should have some time >soon. unless it just doesn't count as idm, which it very well may not. i just >thought that i had seen it mentioned here before. have a nice day! >alan! > >

Do you mean Download as in Cevin Key and Genesis P. Orridge (furnace lp) ? or is it another group altogether? regards, snowjob@actcom.co.il The Morpheus Equation: Start + Middle + End = Sand

quoted 3 lines Picked up an advance copy of "the eyes of stanley pain", by Download,

>> Picked up an advance copy of "the eyes of stanley pain", by Download, >> today. Not too bad. Gotta listen to it some more before i decide if I >> wanna hold it or sell it. Just thought i'd share... maybe i'll review it...

Formal album release is the 29th, I believe.

quoted 4 lines i should have some time soon. Unless it just doesn't count as idm, which it

>> i should have some time soon. Unless it just doesn't count as idm, which it >> very well may not. i just thought that i had seen it mentioned here before. > > Do you mean Download as in Cevin Key and Genesis P. Orridge (furnace lp) ?

cEVIN Key and Mark Spybey (ex-Soviet France), with Genesis only in Celebrity Guest Appearance role. But yes, the same Download. On tour in Europe as we speak (but not Israel, I don't think ... ). People whose tastes expand to the range inhabited by such folks as Laswell, Scorn/Harris, Autechre et al. might find something to chew on somewhere in the Download canon. As for "is it IDM?", well not in the strict sense of the word. More like WIDM. Or, even better, to steal a phrase from an old Luc Van Acker LP - DWS. Danceable Weird Shit. - Greg

Also involved in Download is Phil Western (Philth) whose provided Vancouver with a lot of quality idm content...check out the Off & Gone cd "Everest" on Harthouse for a really good example of what he (and Dan Handebraur too) are capable of...q

quoted 16 lines Formal album release is the 29th, I believe.

>Formal album release is the 29th, I believe. > >>> i should have some time soon. Unless it just doesn't count as idm, which it >>> very well may not. i just thought that i had seen it mentioned here before. >> >> Do you mean Download as in Cevin Key and Genesis P. Orridge (furnace lp) ? > >cEVIN Key and Mark Spybey (ex-Soviet France), with Genesis only in Celebrity >Guest Appearance role. But yes, the same Download. On tour in Europe as >we speak (but not Israel, I don't think ... ). > >People whose tastes expand to the range inhabited by such folks as Laswell, >Scorn/Harris, Autechre et al. might find something to chew on somewhere in >the Download canon. As for "is it IDM?", well not in the strict sense of >the word. More like WIDM. Or, even better, to steal a phrase from an old >Luc Van Acker LP - DWS. Danceable Weird Shit.

When they hear of the way, The Highest minds practice it; The average minds think about it And try it now and then; The lowest minds laugh at it. If they did not laugh at it, It would not be the way. - Lao-tse - ( From "The Tao of Pooh" )

Download: Sidewinder EP Nettwerk 6322 5:53 Sidewinder (remix) 3:26 Glassblower (remix) 4:34 Base Metal (remix) 3:08 Chalice 5:43 Shemaesin 3:27 Im5 4:45 Attalal (remix by Haujobb) 1:07 Lenge T'agn Yet another completely freaked out, dislocated and otherwise challenging slab o' aluminum from everyone's favorite ex-Skinny Puppy and ex-Zoviet France wackos. Actually, this one is MUCH easier to deal with than "Furnace" - there's still plenty of bizarre noises, but they are arranged in a much more accessible rhythmic context. The disc opens with "Sidewinder", a lovely melodic synth line hanging over a solid dance groove. After one minute, however, it devolves into the most intense slow hip hop groove with fragments of distorted sound echoing over the top and into oblivion. "Glassblower" is almost verging on techno with a solid 4-on-the-floor the whole way (although a super fresh Meat Beat-esque drum loop overlays it halfway through). There are vocals in there somewhere but they're barely comprehensible through the maze of effects. "Base Metal" has the vocals a little more to the fore, but they keep getting snatched and turned into a gorgeous vocoder melody. How do they do it??? "Shemaesin" is a noisy opus, imagine Black Dog rhythms taken and done grievous harm in a back alley by a gang of psychopaths. And on it goes. Every song a winner. I really like this disc - too bad it's so short. This is what I was hoping for from Download but didn't quite get on "Furnace". Anyway, it rules. Oh yes. Innovation is still alive in the electronic arena (and funny how the ones who used to bring it to you are, um, still bringing it to you, actually...) -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/

i got an advance copy of this as well as the new (old) skinny puppy cd/cd rom Back and Forth Vol. 3& 4. this cd set consists of 1 cd of recent live recordings and out takes... not so interesting in my opinion. But the second cd is all 82-84 (if i remember correctly) era skinny puppy demos/lost recordings/live stuff/outtakes...... um ..... it's amazing. almost all of the tracks are instrumental and it sounds kinda autechre/aphex-ish. super heavy bass. a lot of analog synths. i've been listening to this quite a bit the last few weeks. highly recommended.

quoted 5 lines I really like this disc - too bad it's so short. This is what I was hoping

>I really like this disc - too bad it's so short. This is what I was hoping >for from Download but didn't quite get on "Furnace". Anyway, it rules. Oh >yes. Innovation is still alive in the electronic arena (and funny how the >ones who used to bring it to you are, um, still bringing it to you, >actually...)

okay, i know someone on this list listens to download. question. is their new album (i've heard that it's called "III") out? if not, is there any date on it? and does anyone have a promo copy? if so, give some opinions. lates. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield

quoted 3 lines okay, i know someone on this list listens to download. question. is their

> okay, i know someone on this list listens to download. question. is their > new album (i've heard that it's called "III") out? if not, is there any > date on it? and does anyone have a promo copy? if so, give some opinions.

According to the subconcious page and download page, nope... in addition to III, there will also be two eps... Chris brap@sonic.net HeathenNet: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407 **Dot, Black Dog, P-Orridge, RealAudio, Reviews** **Search Engine, BBS, & Other Stuff Like That..** *************************************************

On 09-Aug-97, wells wrote:

quoted 3 lines okay, i know someone on this list listens to download. question. is their

>okay, i know someone on this list listens to download. question. is their >new album (i've heard that it's called "III") out? if not, is there any >date on it? and does anyone have a promo copy? if so, give some opinions.

quoted 1 line lates.

>lates.

quoted 1 line - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

>- wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

No, it is not yet out. If I remember correctly ... late Sep or early Oct. There will also be two accompanying eps: "Resilient" and "Moth", 1 being a remix ep. I don't believe there are any promos out yet either. Download was planning on touring the states this fall, but now are reconsidering due to the great expense involved. Also, you might check out (if you haven't already) the Plateau releases "Dutch Flowers" and "Music for Grassbars". Plateau is minimalist electronica from Cevin Key, Anthony Valcic and Philth Western. Also, Cevin is supposed to release a solo effort later this year tentatively titled "Music fur Cats". This might be too much info ... markw@southwind.net

quoted 2 lines Also, Cevin is supposed to

> Also, Cevin is supposed to > release a solo effort later this year tentatively titled "Music fur Cats".

I believe that this is actually out on Cleo now or this month... may be wrong though Chris brap@sonic.net HeathenNet: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407 **Dot, Black Dog, P-Orridge, RealAudio, Reviews** **Search Engine, BBS, & Other Stuff Like That..** *************************************************

quoted 3 lines reconsidering due to the great expense involved. Also, you might

> reconsidering due to the great expense involved. Also, you might > check out (if you haven't already) the Plateau releases "Dutch Flowers" > and "Music for Grassbars". Plateau is minimalist electronica from Cevin

_Dutch Flowers_ you say? Is this out, and which label? --Mark

On 10-Aug-97, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 3 lines reconsidering due to the great expense involved. Also, you might

>> reconsidering due to the great expense involved. Also, you might >> check out (if you haven't already) the Plateau releases "Dutch Flowers" >> and "Music for Grassbars". Plateau is minimalist electronica from Cevin

quoted 1 line _Dutch Flowers_ you say? Is this out, and which label?

>_Dutch Flowers_ you say? Is this out, and which label?

quoted 1 line --Mark

>--Mark

Yes! It is out now, unfortunately I don't own it yet. It has two remixes from "Music for Grassbars" and two extra tracks. It's on Hypnotic / Cleopatra on cd or 12". markw@southwind.net

speaking of download (i know, it's not entirely idm, but its better than cd v. vinyl or that stupid lunatic harness/hip hop argument), the other day I saw this comp. of unreleased tracks from Cevin's various projects (SkiPpy, Download, tear garden etc.) does anyone else have any more info on this?

quoted 1 line The Coil vs Download thing will probably never happen.

>> The Coil vs Download thing will probably never happen.

hey, what about coil vs. autechre? that would be more than enough for me. mult. http://members.aol.com/MultSanta2 <----- (moved)

quoted 11 lines speaking of download (i know, it's not entirely idm, but its better than cd

>speaking of download (i know, it's not entirely idm, but its better than cd >v. vinyl or that stupid lunatic harness/hip hop argument), the other day I >saw this comp. of unreleased tracks from Cevin's various projects (SkiPpy, >Download, tear garden etc.) does anyone else have any more info on this? > >>> The Coil vs Download thing will probably never happen. > >hey, what about coil vs. autechre? that would be more than enough for me. > >mult. >http://members.aol.com/MultSanta2 <----- (moved)

wasnt autechre goofing about with some zoviet france stuff a short bit back...?

On 10-Aug-97, MultSanta@aol.com wrote:

quoted 4 lines speaking of download (i know, it's not entirely idm, but its better than cd

>speaking of download (i know, it's not entirely idm, but its better than cd >v. vinyl or that stupid lunatic harness/hip hop argument), the other day I >saw this comp. of unreleased tracks from Cevin's various projects (SkiPpy, >Download, tear garden etc.) does anyone else have any more info on this?

Yeah, it's called Paradigm Shift and it's very cool. It's on SubConscious / Nettwerk. Has a bunch of mostly unreleased stuff by Aduck (Dwayne Goettel), Philth, Download, Plateau, Doubting Thomas, The Tear Garden, Dead Voices on Air, Kone and Skinny Puppy. It's very good. Go get it. markw@southwind.net

On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, mark weddle wrote:

quoted 1 line Yeah ... "Charlie's Family" has recently been re-released, but there are

> Yeah ... "Charlie's Family" has recently been re-released, but there are

On what label? Boy, and I thought I was the only person in the world (beside greg) who had a copy! :) Aaron

On 10-Aug-97, Aaron Michelson wrote:

quoted 1 line On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, mark weddle wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, mark weddle wrote:

quoted 1 line Yeah ... "Charlie's Family" has recently been re-released, but there are

>> Yeah ... "Charlie's Family" has recently been re-released, but there are

quoted 2 lines On what label? Boy, and I thought I was the only person in the world

>On what label? Boy, and I thought I was the only person in the world >(beside greg) who had a copy! :)

quoted 1 line Aaron

>Aaron

Metropolis Records. markw@southwind.net

I picked up this disc by Download today. Brilliant stuff! Anyone know anything more about them?

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, A. Mukerjee wrote:

quoted 1 line I picked up this disc by Download today.

> I picked up this disc by Download today.

Which one?

quoted 1 line Brilliant stuff! Anyone know anything more about them?

> Brilliant stuff! Anyone know anything more about them?

Well, it started as a side-project of Skinny Puppy featuring the two SP instrumentalists - cEvin Key and Dwayne Goettel - along with some friends of thier's including Phil Western (Off & Gone, Cap'm Stargazer) and Mark Spybey (Dead Voices On Air). Once Puppy split up and Goettel died, it became Key's main gig. Spybey left earlier this year, and the current line-up is Key, Western and Anthony Valcic, who worked with Puppy in the studio quite a bit. I'm assuming that you probably picked up III, which is quite different in many ways from the earlier Download material. I actually find it has a lot more in common with the trio's Plateau project (album Music For Grassbars available on Cleopatra/Hypnotic). You can find a lengthy review that I wrote of III on my website at: http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/reviews And you can find the official Download site at: http://www.vkool.com/subconscious Greg

just jumpin outta lurk cuz i heard a mention of one of my fav's download. . well I didnt really like Download III in comparison to microbiotic, furnace, or any of their earlier stuff. I would recommend any of their disks and some of the other side projects by cEVIN such as Doubting Thomas or platEAU (which is one amazing disk). The side projects are nothing like the skinny puppy of old and im sort of interested in hearing the sp remixes album that was slated by end of year but prolly wont be till spring or summer 98. just my $.02 TinOmen np: squarepusher: hard normal daddy