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Finally got thru the whole disc! All i can say is FUCK THE UPS strike (took my local shop awhile to get the cd) and hunt down your copy now. The motherfucker is back like never before you wanted something with the quality that Tango/Bluff had, this is it. No more waiting folks. My man Mikey P is the shit homey. this is the chill pill I needed before I flamed ROWLAND and pissed all you off, but now I am even more of a mother fuckin Lunatic so watch out cum catchers cuz this fucker is gonna blow!!! You gotta be a fuckin' Lunatic to turn a sample of the FAT BOY's Human Beat Box into a jungle track. I always laughed at that fat ass, but he was dope 15 years ago and still is in the 9 7. what if any comments do you all have on the _My Little Beautiful_ e.p.? 0

O wrote: You gotta be a fuckin' Lunatic to turn a sample of the FAT BOY's Human Beat Box into a jungle track. I always laughed at that fat ass, but he was dope 15 years ago and still is in the 9 7. I write: That that track is dope as hell, and the rest of the album is pretty ace im my opinion, but I can't help but wonder aren't any of you at least a little bummed that in a lot of way Lunatic Harness is a total Tom J rip off?!? I mean the Fatboys track my Muziq is a *total* rip off of TJ's "Happy Little Wilberforce" track. Totally. TJ sampled that exact Human Beat Box bar (if you can call it that) long ago and gave it similar treatments/tweaks. Of course we all know that everyone samples from similar sources in IDM, but especially since I group MP in the same camp as TJ in terms of avant garde/weird IDM, I just can't get over *how much* this track is not just sort of like TJ's style (as is most of the breakbeat workouts on Harness), it's above and beyond similar. If I were TJ, I'd be like "Hey Mike, you copycat mofo!" ANyone agree? Waiting for the Photek full length to give me a new dnb perspective, Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

quoted 6 lines I write:

>I write: > >That that track is dope as hell, and the rest of the album is pretty ace >im my opinion, but I can't help but wonder aren't any of you at least a >little bummed that in a lot of way Lunatic Harness is a total Tom J >rip off?!?

quoted 12 lines I mean the Fatboys track my Muziq is a *total* rip off of TJ's "Happy

> >I mean the Fatboys track my Muziq is a *total* rip off of TJ's "Happy >Little Wilberforce" track. Totally. TJ sampled that exact Human Beat Box >bar (if you can call it that) long ago and gave it similar >treatments/tweaks. Of course we all know that everyone samples from >similar sources in IDM, but especially since I group MP in the same camp >as TJ in terms of avant garde/weird IDM, I just can't get over *how much* >this track is not just sort of like TJ's style (as is most of the >breakbeat workouts on Harness), it's above and beyond similar. If I >were TJ, I'd be like "Hey Mike, you copycat mofo!" > >ANyone agree?

i'm probably the only one who thinks this but i think most of paradinas stuff is total ripoff. tango n' vectif & bluff limbo sounds exactly like old aphex twin, and his new jungle stuff sounds just like squarepusher/aphex (ala RDJ album). the only stuff of his that is ORIGINAL is the shit i *HATE* (jake slazenger, gary mosch-whatever-the-fuck-es).. don't get me wrong.. i LIKE tango n' vectif, bluff limbo, and lunatic harness - but Paradinas rips so hard on everyone else's style.. oh well. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield

On Friday, 08-Aug-97, 0 wrote [about (idm) Lunatic for muziq]:

quoted 5 lines and hunt down your copy now.

>and hunt down your copy now. >The motherfucker is back like never before >you wanted something with the quality that >Tango/Bluff had, this is it. No more waiting folks. >My man Mikey P is the shit homey. this is the chill

shoutz to da idm crew, chill dis nigga out yo..

quoted 3 lines pill I needed before I flamed ROWLAND and pissed

>pill I needed before I flamed ROWLAND and pissed >all you off, but now I am even more of a mother fuckin >Lunatic so watch out cum catchers cuz this fucker is gonna blow!!!

chill nigga chill :D anyway.. on to my review of Lunatic Harness... I think it was reviewed before, but I don't remember if all the tracks were reviewed or not but oh well.. hm.. perhaps a stupid question, but is it pronounced lunatic and lunar-tic, or like leunatic (or if that's even how it's spelled).. but I don't think leunatic (as in a crazy guy) is spelled lunatic.. mm not sure.. anyway, I think pronouncing it "lunätic harness" sounds much better.. :P the ä is a bright a, oh whatever.. who cares, on to the review :) Brace Yourself Jason: This track has some nice sounds to it. some bells and distant voices.. really nice, and a slap-bass type bass sound. Not one of the best tracks on the LP. It is a bit weak at points, and thus I expect those parts could drag along after listening to it a few times. I really didn't like the part in this track where everything is gone but the drum sounds.. not too nice of a part there, it's not enough to carry the track IMO. I think there is some brilliance here though. Hasty Boom Alert: Starts off really nice, some beautiful synth pads. This is the Mike Paradinas we all love. There is a wonderful sine bass in this, and very fast rhythms. This is one of the tracks that makes this LP a must have. The melody in this track reminds me of Squarepusher's "Theme to Ernest Borgnine" from _Feed Me Weird Things_, but I like the drum programming in this track a hell of a lot more than the 'almost too 4/4ish' drum programming of Ernest Borgnine. Mushroom Compound: Starting off with an abstract sine melody, this track employs some really interesting sounds. After a while the track speeds up abruptly; Then somewhere in the middle, the track kind of becomes uninteresting for a while. It's quite repetative, but still a bit nice I guess. It's certainly better than Brace Yourself Jason. Blainville: This is typical Paradinas here and I'm loving it :) The secondary melody in the beginning doesn't seem to connect that well with the bassline and sounds a bit distant, but this track just rocks. The bass sound is, like most of Mike's bass sounds, totally wonderful, which is what sounds like a real deep flange over a sinewave. Lunatic Harness: Oh dear. The first time I heard this track I thought "Oh shit, here we go.. Sounds like something by the Chemical Bros." Starts off with some really corny sounding shit like if someone is making the drums with her mouth, but then once that fm synth melody came in, I was hooked :) It's really a cute melody. The superspeed flange on the secondary melody sounds really wicked also, and actually works quite well. Usually something like that sounds like noise. This sounds like some hauz muzak, but it's quite nice. Though it's not one of the best tracks on the LP, it's definitely worth having. (at the end there's some fantastic playing with the "mouth" beats to boot!) * Approaching Menace: Wow. I think this is the first time I've heard Mike Paradinas make a track that's really scary. Truly wicked. The drum programming really goes well with the frightening saw-tooth melody. Nice flange sweeps too. Damn this track is great. He even uses 2 notes that are a halfstep away from each other, which makes the waveforms to collide at points, causing a really eerie humming sound. This is a track to play alongside Richard's _Schott Key 7th Path_. At points he plays with the sawtooth bass in much the same way some tech-steppers, incluing Aphrodite play with their basslines. Or is that hard-step? I'm not too concerned about the many categories of jungle anyway. My Little Beautiful: This starts off with more of the Paradinas we all know and love, and even the drums are the same, except then suddenly these wicked breaks start popping up everywhere, but it still has that µ-Ziq feel. This is another track that could use a bit more during it's drum solos. However, that part aside, this is a truly brilliant track, there's no question. If you liked the ambientish, more beatless tracks on Bluff Limbo, you'll love this, even though it's not beatless. Secret Stair Pt. 1: This track is brilliant.. You think it's beautiful beatless ambient, and then these wonderful breaks come in, kind of like the way they do on Squarepusher's "Tundra" off _Feed Me Weird Things_. Ok, I've mentioned Tom J. already twice in this review, but don't get the wrong idea from this, this work is in no way an imitation of Tom's stuff, inspired by, maybe, but not a copy. This track is quite nice, but it's not one of the best tracks on here. Secret Stair Pt. 2: This is my most favorite track on this LP. Words don't describe how beautiful this track is. Mike should have called this My Little Beautiful instead of the other one. Another beautifully flanged bassline, and he puts it to damn good use. The bassline, along with melodies borrowed from the carribean, some latin influences and synthpads that you could totally lose yourself in make this one of the most brilliant tracks I've ever heard from Mike P, or anyone else.. The only track that has touched me this much since RDJ's "Xtal" has been "A Journey to Reedham" by Squarepusher, from the new _Big Loada_ EP. Wannabe: This track is another winner in the eerie ambient section of what would be the IDM charts. Truly brilliant, this is a must for all those dj's who play beatless ambient sets. The track isn't beatless, it has a repetative percussion noise, not really drums, but more like clattering junk inside the storage compartment of a ship lost in a storm. After a while, the repetative words WANNA BE YOUR LOVER MAYBE I DON'T WANNA BE YOUR FRIEND. If Mr. James had done SAW2 with Mike Paradinas, this track would be on it. The track ends in a humongous reverb swirl. Catkin and Teasel: This track starts off with an abstract measure-length melody, and a hip hop beat which soon develops into a rash of breaks and snarerushes. The melody is minimalistic in nature, as it repeats into infinity while crazy breaks and hip hop beats take turns accompanying the minimalistic melody. After a while there's more melodies to accompany it, and they are brilliant, to say the least. Once the track begins to shape, the minimalistic melody cannot be heard anymore, and what you have is classic Paradinas which fades out at the end. London: Yet another eerie track. Kind of reminds me of Aphex's Icct Hedral at first. This track is totally beatless for a while, and really brilliant eerie melodies, and then this really wicked drum beat comes in. It is similar to the beat from "Tango N' Vectif." Another track that would work good in a beatless ambient set. This could be a break away from the beatless stuff. This employs violins, like the ones in Icct Hedral. With the drums that come back in on the offbeat, it sounds really great with the violins, which are playing in quarters of a beat. This is not as good as the other eerie tracks though. Midwinter's Log: This sounds like midieval Christmas music.. This sides with "Secret Stair Pt. 2" as the two most brilliant tracks on the LP. Brilliant drum programming and unmistakable structure are immediately noticeable in this tune. Although not as beautiful as some of the others in this album, it is definitely not to be underestimated. This track has some of the best drum programming I've ever heard in any of Mike P's tracks, and it is absolute brilliance.. This is the one track on the entire record where the drum-only parts flow and work without needing anything else. The melodies in this almost sound like a symphony. You can even hear what sounds like those long tube bells that you hit with a mallet. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

Not to dis GamePrg at all, but I think it's interesting that s/he wrote "shoutz to da idm crew, chill dis nigga out yo.." and "Starts off with some really corny sounding shit like if someone is making the drums with her mouth...(at the end there's some fantastic playing with the "mouth" beats to boot!)" in the same email. Hip hop ain't what it used to be...but it's starting to return a bit with people like Scratchpiklz and such... Just a thought Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

On Saturday, 09-Aug-97, Nate Harrison [Digital Magician Inc] wrote [about Re: (idm) lunatic review (was lunatic for muziq)]:

quoted 1 line Not to dis GamePrg at all, but I think it's interesting that s/he wrote

>Not to dis GamePrg at all, but I think it's interesting that s/he wrote

quoted 1 line "shoutz to da idm crew, chill dis nigga out yo.."

>"shoutz to da idm crew, chill dis nigga out yo.."

quoted 1 line and

>and

quoted 3 lines "Starts off with some really corny sounding shit like if someone is making

>"Starts off with some really corny sounding shit like if someone is making >the drums with her mouth...(at the end there's some fantastic playing with >the "mouth" beats to boot!)"

quoted 1 line in the same email.

>in the same email.

quoted 2 lines Hip hop ain't what it used to be...but it's starting to return a bit with

>Hip hop ain't what it used to be...but it's starting to return a bit with >people like Scratchpiklz and such...

you totally misunderstood the beginning.. I was just talking in the same slang that gil was talking in that post.. has nothing to do with the review.. it was a joke, coz he says he's gonna cum on everybody and we don't want that. :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

GamerPrg writes: you totally misunderstood the beginning.. I was just talking in the same slang that gil was talking in that post.. has nothing to do with the review.. it was a joke, coz he says he's gonna cum on everybody and we don't want that. :) I write: No I completely understood it was a joke- perhaps you do not understand me...my point, I was trying to be 'discreet', was that you had enough 'knowledge' of the silly (I'll call it gangsta for lack of a better term) slang to make a joke, but did not recognize the 'mouth music' sample from the new Muziq as the one and only Human Beat Box, at least you did not say that in the review. ok who cares it's way too late for me... peace Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

GamePrg wrote: bah.. I know of many people who speak that way who don't know what the fuck Human Beat Box is.. so if it's a crime that I don't know it, oh well.. I write: This is my point exactly. The so called fans/practicioners of contemporary hip hop don't know the history. It's not a crime on your part, I was just trying to say that by your original post (it seemed to me) that hip hop as we know it today is in dire need of a facelift, whether you're a fan or not. I pointed out Scratchpiklz as just one of several people who I think are bringing the innovation back to hip hop, which trickles into IDM. WHere do you thinnk Autechre or the Skam guys got their dope beats from? GamePrg wrote:The Fat Boys were around when I was about 6-7 years old or so and I was never interested in rap/hiphop at that time.. I'm still not interested in it. Hey that's cool too- again I wasn't trying to dis you by not knowing where the sample came from. The Fat Boys were a gimmick-rating very high on the cheese scale, but you know what? They were doing crazy weird shit which was wacky, off the wall, and IMHO innovative. I'm sure alot of people on this list grew up trying to 'beatbox'. I'll admit it, I saw the Fat Boys in concert when I was 13. Dope as hell. UTFO was with them; you want a real Ninja? Try Mixmaster Ice from UTFO. Anyone remember this guy? GamePrg wrote: jees, you try to write a review about something and then all someone can do is bitch about some stupid ass sample. I write: I'm sorry if you took my post as 'bitching', but I did not. I didn't say 'Hey Gameprg sucks cuz he doesn't know his samples'. I merely wanted to point out that it was evident (at least to me) by your email that current hip hop culture has done a good job of making vibeless cookiecutter/pseudo hardcore music and attitude popular, at the expense of innovation and freeform, which are the fundumentals (at least they used to be) of Hip Hop. Whether you buy into that gangsta shit or not (I assume from your email you don't) I don't care and is not the point. So much for my attempt at being discreet;) Hey at least this was not another STUPID post about CD/Vinyl;) peace Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

On Saturday, 09-Aug-97, Nate Harrison [Digital Magician Inc] wrote [about Re: (idm) lunatic review (was lunatic for muziq)]:

quoted 3 lines GamePrg wrote: bah.. I know of many people who speak that way who don't

>GamePrg wrote: bah.. I know of many people who speak that way who don't >know what the fuck Human Beat Box is.. so if it's a crime that I don't >know it, oh well..

quoted 8 lines I write: This is my point exactly. The so called fans/practicioners of

>I write: This is my point exactly. The so called fans/practicioners of >contemporary hip hop don't know the history. It's not a crime on your >part, I was just trying to say that by your original post (it seemed to >me) that hip hop as we know it today is in dire need of a facelift, >whether you're a fan or not. I pointed out Scratchpiklz as just one of >several people who I think are bringing the innovation back to hip >hop, which trickles into IDM. WHere do you thinnk Autechre or the Skam >guys got their dope beats from?

hm.. well.. I know some of the hip hop stuff.. just never heard of human beat box.. I think that Lunatic Harness sounds good.. but when I first ever heard the track, I thought it was corny, but now I think it's cool :)

quoted 3 lines GamePrg wrote:The Fat Boys were around when I was about 6-7 years old or

>GamePrg wrote:The Fat Boys were around when I was about 6-7 years old or >so and I was never interested in rap/hiphop at that time.. I'm still not >interested in it.

quoted 3 lines GamePrg wrote:

>GamePrg wrote: >jees, you try to write a review about something and then all someone can >do is bitch about some stupid ass sample.

quoted 3 lines I write:

>I write: >I'm sorry if you took my post as 'bitching', but I did not. I didn't say >'Hey Gameprg sucks cuz he doesn't know his samples'. I merely wanted to

no, but it you implied it a bit I think.. oh well forget it.. there's no sense arguing since you didn't mean it that way. I'm sorry I misunderstood it.

quoted 6 lines point out that it was evident (at least to me) by your email that current

>point out that it was evident (at least to me) by your email that current >hip hop culture has done a good job of making vibeless >cookiecutter/pseudo hardcore music and attitude popular, at the expense of >innovation and freeform, which are the fundumentals (at least they used to >be) of Hip Hop. Whether you buy into that gangsta shit or not (I assume >from your email you don't) I don't care and is not the point.

nah.. the gansta shit is just something I learned from my cousin, he taught me (kind of) how to speak like that, but we did imitations of different accetns/etc. so that's all it was, this was back a while when we were kids. hmm although I can make it so you'd think I was british, but there's no way I can make you think I'm a gansta/whatever heh (by my voice at least)

quoted 1 line Hey at least this was not another STUPID post about CD/Vinyl;)

>Hey at least this was not another STUPID post about CD/Vinyl;)

yeah :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org